Stuart Wilde (Page 11 of 17)

No, not melodramatic at all.  Just pure bewilderment. 

You see it is not the free/paid stuff it is bothering us all that much, but rather the bigger picture.   It is the negativity of the whole scenario. While at one point all of his writings were positive, now it is full of hatred and fear mongering.  Wilde has changed our lives in many ways and now I am a bit scared.  Why? It takes us to your next point.

I can see what you're attempting to say there -  a sort of zen thing - if you see the buddha on the road, kill him.  Nobody should be put on pedestal and we have to think for ourselves and all of that .....

You're to  kill the buddha on the road when you're your quest so that he(or your idea of him)  doesn't hold you up.  That is  WHOLE lot different frm the issue we have with Wilde here. What he had to say in his earlier books resonated so well. It was POSITIVE. There was an irreverance. It was light-hearted. The stuff was uplifting and it all made sense . It sort of fit in with our life experiences.
         Now the stuff he comes out with -- pure negativity. Ghouls? morph? reptiles? greys? and all other sorts of evil things!!!!  what the fu*k???????   is he catering to the whims of a bunch of nut-cases? I mean I cannot argue the presence/absence of these things. If they exist good for them, if they don't, good for us.

What bothers me is the fact that the guy who once was uplifting is mongering fear now and has a cult going which is expensive to be in.  Th harmony of the whole is getting messed up.

For the life of me I don't understand how anyone can accept both the old and new Wilde!!!!!!!!!! How can you just be selective?  And worse, preach to others to be too? Where is the integrity ???? Where is the harmony?  I am sorry, truth doesn't come in shades of grey.  t is either black or white.  if the harmony of the whole is jarring, then something is wrong with the whole.  Can't flter and just pretend everything is alright.

We are bitter, we are disappointed , and more than anything, we are perplexed. some of us are atleast.

More from the "new" Wilde:

           http://stuartwilde.com/Articles/SW_arti … armth.html

All it takes is being free of your emotional/ego/identity investments. Then you can calmly and objectively pick out the few good things that are left. It's easy once you become balanced in your awareness of both the dark stuff and the positive stuff. Otherwise emotionalism takes over and makes you overreactive. Too much self-importance or hitching your personal identity on your idealized image of another naturally leads to just this kind of overreaction when the image no longer matches reality. What else is disappointment other than the countering of your own personal expectations? You liked the old Wilde, here is the new Wilde. Yes there are problems with the new, and that deserves its own discussion, but it would be an error to throw the baby out with the bathwater by thinking solely in terms of black vs white, while it would be wiser to "simply get what you can get out of it and forget the rest" as Lyra said because that is the active application of discernment -- and I don't think pointing out an error and offering a wiser alternative is preaching.

Einjun,

Obviously you're feeling let down by this guy because you respected & trusted him in the past. Don't take that out on Lyra, who, from what I can see, didn't say anything that warranted your defensive reaction. I guess she didn't have the same attachment to Stuart that you had, so that's why she's unfazed by all this. What's wrong with that?

Also, it's important to realise that just because you don't like what Stuart is doing now, doesn't mean you have to disregard all his earlier information, teachings or whatever. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater! If you liked his messages before, if they uplifted you & resonated with you, there must be some truth in them for you. The fact that he's changed his stance to something much more negative doesn't make all his previous material invalid.

And no, you won't "end up like him" and yes, you will have to rely on yourself again, but really you should have been doing that anyway. Use your own intuition to discern the truth, don't take everything that one person says as gospel or let it replace your own thinking. It's best not to elevate anyone to infallible status - we're all human beings after all!

On a side note, didn't someone mention that Stuart Wilde had an ayahuasca experience & seemed to have been oddly "different" ever since then? David Icke did the same thing and some commented that he seemed "off" afterwards too. That could explain the drastic change in SW's approach, couldn't it? Neg interference or something?

yeah, I guess I'm being immature ....... thanks :-)   Edited my post lest Lyra get mad :-)

I just looked up ayahuasca. Sounds similar to the stuff peyote or something Pirsig talks about in Lila .........

Here's an example of what others were saying about it, just a few pages back on this very thread:

Now, I'm not at all familiar with Stuart's ideas or the man himself, but if what everyone's saying is true, it sounds like something questionable happened during his drug experience which changed him for the worse. Taking drugs can open you up to all kinds of energies, and negative entities will especially latch onto people who've given up their control in this way. So who knows what's going on with this guy.

I'm confused.  Are you tiospaye writing under a new name?  Because you quoted my response to tiospaye with a clarification, as if you were him.

Um, no, not even close.  That's not at all what I said.  I never advocated the mindset of "kill the buddha."   Where'd you get that from?  Here is the FULL quote of what I wrote:

Now THAT is what I was saying.  Not "kill the buddha."  The irony is, when people worship a guru that they've put on a pedestal they inevitably get let down, and then wind up crucifying that guru.  Which is what you're talking about, only you got it backwards.  Hence the irony.  You misunderstood and thought I was saying to start out right off the bat killing the buddha/guru, when what I'm talking about is how this "buddha killing" inevitably ends up happening after people make the mistake of guru worship, then get let down, and then can't handle it and flip out.

Are you a love n light new ager?   If so, then sorry to say, but the things he describes are in fact real.  Have you ever tangled with negative entities from other realms?  Well some of us have, myself included.   And what he's describing does have validity.  Just because you don't have experience with it doesn't mean it's not real and he's a nut case.   Many love n lighters, or people who just in general don't have experience with that sort of thing, literally can't handle hearing about "dark" stuff.   They freak out and run and lash out and bury their heads in the sand.

The problem seems to be that Stuart went from talking only about light and fluffy stuff that made you feel good, like pink cotton candy on a summer afternoon, to talking about some of the nitty gritty darker issues that are plaguing this planet.  And you want to stick with the pink fluffy cotton candy. 

I can understand people being concerned about a change.  In fact it seems that most prominant researchers undergo a negative change, unfortunately.  The second anybody puts themselves out there trying to help people they get targetted, and often times taken out.  Replaced, programmed, etc. etc.   Awareness and self stalking is everything.   

So, what constitutes a truly negative change?   It's probably going to be a subjective thing for most people.  For me, I have no problem with him discussing the darker aspects of reality, cause sorry, it ain't all pink fluffy cotton candy.  There are unsavory things going on here - so let's talk about it, put it on the table for everybody to see, expose it to the light, and figure out what we can do about it all as individuals and as a collective.  So to me, that "change" wasn't a bad thing, doesn't bother me.  Admittedly though I wasn't aware that there had been a "change" because I'd never actually heard of Stuart Wilde and didn't start reading him until after "God's Gladiators."  I really loved that book at the time, 2003.  Then I went back and read some of his past stuff, "Infinite Self" "Whispering Winds of Change," and "Sixth Sense" and loved those too.  They didn't talk "the grays" and all that, but so what.  I was later surprised to learn that Stuart was in fact an established new age writer and speaker, very much a love n light sort of guy.   Which is probably why I'd never heard of him prior to "God's Gladiators."  I don't typically read that sort of material. 

But for me the issue started with this whole "redeemer's club" thing.  That was a little whacky in my opinion only because it's identical to the mindset of Christianity......just presented in a new package with different lingo, as I already noted in one of my previous posts on a previous page of this thread.   Yet the RC doesn't bother others who obviously are shelling out the $$$$ and attending his little shindigs.  So it's all subjective.   So go as far as you feel comfortable going with him - for me, I stopped at the RC - don't be too attached and invested in him and learn how to find your own truth.

I have no idea what you're ranting about here.  But since others have already adequately addressed the immature nature of your post, and how for whatever reason you chose to hone in on me to lash out at like a child, I'll just bite my tongue.  (It's weird the way people do that.......here we have what, a 10+ page thread and how many comments by how many different people, and you choose ME to hone in on when making your grand entrance?   As if nobody else said anything provocotive or thought provoking that was also worth honing in on and responding to?  I mean, are you even aware of what prompted you to do that?  Because if you are, then I'd be curious to hear as it might shed some light on this phenomenon which has plagued me since the start of this forum.  You wouldn't be the first person who's done it.  Or the second.  Or the third.  Or the fourth.  Or the fifth.  Or the sixth. Or the....)

Then stop being ego invested in other people and holding them up as gurus.   It's pretty simple.