Topic: Pets On Prozak - Disguising the problems that arise from pet food

Came across this story today on Rense about people who are putting their pets on Prozak and other psych drugs due to "depression" :

http://www.rense.com/general58/proz.htm


Several years ago a veterinarian in SoCal offered up the option of putting my cat on Prozak because she was always scritch scratching at herself and chewing little bald spots into her fur.  She figured this was all psychologically related and could be cured by medicating my cat.   Needless to say, I declined.  That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.  I spent the next year trying to get to the bottom of what was wrong with my cat.  Brought her to several more vets in CA and FL and all of them recommended things that served to disguise and mask the problem rather than getting to the root of the issue.  Stuff like allergy shots, psych meds, pills, etc.   Stuff that would make the vets mucho $$$$$, because I would have to keep going back to them to get more. 

Turns out the problem was the food I was feeding her.  I had her on Iams, thinking that was supposed to be the "good" stuff, not realizing that pretty much every pet food uses the most horrible crap ingrediants you could ever imagine, including euthanized animals.  Once I came across the information about what's really in pet food, I was alarmed and vowed to get my cat on a better diet. 

(Warning:  The following is a pretty heavy duty expose article, not for the faint of heart.  But if you have a pet and you claim to care about it, please try to read this. You need to know what you're feeding your pet).

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/petfood2.html

I switched her to what was supposed to be a healthy brand, called Pet Guard, but the problem only increased.  Now the backs of her legs were practically bald.  I tried making her food, giving her organic chicken and turkey, as well as fish, with vitamin supplements, but surprisingly, she didn't want that.   !    I tried Science Diet, and bought the food for "allergies and sensitive skin."  But I quickly discovered that all they do is spray the food with a coating of grease!!  The grease/oil is supposed to "cure" the itchy skin.    In the trash it went.   So finally, I found and tried a brand of food called Nutro.  Within 2 weeks all her fur had grown back and was thick and shiny, and the scritch scratching and chewing completely stopped.  Yay!  What's interesting is that when you go to Nutro's website, one of the things they mention about their food is that they absolutely do NOT put euthanized animals in their foods.  So, this euthanized animals thing is pretty much common knowledge amongst the pet food industry.  It's just the general pubic that's not aware of it.  Also Nutro is the only pet food that I know of who puts Probiotics in the food, and has other beneficial ingredients.  It's amazing stuff.  So now she eats that, with a mix of regular meat thrown in.

www.nutroproducts.com

In the above Rense article there's a brief mention of the rise in pets getting diabetes, arthritis, cancer, etc.   My thought when I read that was "Yeah, of course they are!!!  Considering what most people feed their animals it's no wonder!!!!"   When you do the research, you really will find that most pet foods contain just absolutely abysmal ingredients.  Scraps and rendered animals, rotting meat, sickly animals that had been covered in their own feces, bones, beaks, grease.   Just nasty, horrible ingredients. The bottom line should be, if we wouldn't eat it, why should they??    At another messageboard I used to belong to I talked about this subject, and the webmaster decided to buy some Nutro dog food for her 4 year old dog.   She was absolutely SHOCKED by her dog's 180 turnaround in personality.  Before, her dog had always misbehaved, and was hyper and skittish.  After the switch to Nutro within weeks her dog was calm and happy and pleasant.   She had no idea her dog could even be that way.  She'd just always assumed that it was the dog's natural personality to be so hyper and fidgety and skittish and badly behaved.  Nope...it was all a byproduct of the mainstream pet food it had been fed. 

I believe the sharp rise in sickly animals and pets with cancer, diabetes, arthritis, etc. is directly correlated to the foods people feed them.   I put my cat on a better diet and she immediately improved.   Not only her skin and fur, but her energy level and moods as well.   On Nutro she is just happier and more energetic.   During that time I had her on the Science Diet grease coated junk her energy did a nosedive, and she was lethargic and grumpy.   It would be the equivelant of us eating a big greasy fast food meal.  How good do we feel afterwards?  How much energy do we have?    But think about it......This is supposed to be "SCIENCE DIET."   This is supposed to be "top of the line" food.  I mean, it has the name "SCIENCE" in the title, come on!  wink  They try to market it as if it's some scientifically formulated super food.  No it's not.

But instead of getting to the root of the problem.....the diet.....vets and TPTB are pushing meds and psych drugs on us which only serve to mask the problem and which makes the pharmaceutical corporations tons of money.   Sickness is an industry now....for EVERYBODY!!   Adults, children....even our pets now.  It's ludicrous.  With a healthy diet, ANY critter can be physically healthy and mentally sound.   It's all about the diet.

Anyway, if you have a pet and this is all news to you, I ask that you please read the above links and consider this information.  Our pets deserve it!  smile

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: Pets On Prozak - Disguising the problems that arise from pet food

Thank you Lyra for the tip on Nutro pet food.  Came at a most opportune time!

Mr BWAT CAT (Fat head) must have kitty ADHD, and ODD (oppositional defiant disorder) for sure!  The "antics" she pulls make me wonder if she is a candidate for  a group home for naughty kitty girls!  UGH!

Everything from unrolling the toilet paper, bouncing off walls, playing way too rough, depositing her toys in the water bowl, scaling the curtains.  Tried the squirt gun method of dicipline, but she just sits there and grins; like HA HA-gotcha!

I'm gonna see if I can find some of this food-hopefully there's a canned version with enough "jucies" to her liking.

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   You're never in a hurry.
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3 (edited by lyra 2004-10-25 07:52:49)

Re: Pets On Prozak - Disguising the problems that arise from pet food

manyeagles wrote:

Thank you Lyra for the tip on Nutro pet food.  Came at a most opportune time!

Mr BWAT CAT (Fat head) must have kitty ADHD, and ODD (oppositional defiant disorder) for sure!  The "antics" she pulls make me wonder if she is a candidate for  a group home for naughty kitty girls!  UGH!

Everything from unrolling the toilet paper, bouncing off walls, playing way too rough, depositing her toys in the water bowl, scaling the curtains.  Tried the squirt gun method of dicipline, but she just sits there and grins; like HA HA-gotcha!

I'm gonna see if I can find some of this food-hopefully there's a canned version with enough "jucies" to her liking.

Actually, that sounds like normal kitten behavior to me.  wink big_smile   My cat was like that when she was young. For instance, as soon as she realized that something she did got a rise out of me, she'd make sure to do it all the time.  One thing she was always doing was to knock my knickknacks stuff of the shelves in my waterbed headboard.   Then she'd look over at me, bug eyed, waiting for my reaction. I'd be like, "Hey!  stop it!!"  and she'd run off, swing back around, jump up and do it again.....staring at me bug eyed, waiting for me to react!   It's actually quite funny.  Kittens are a riot.   Every morning when I'd be getting ready to leave to work she'd run around like a nut, "misbehaving" to get as much attention from me as possible before I'd leave.  I recognized though what was happening, so I'd take time to cuddle with her.   I never used a squirt gun or anything, I just let it run its course.  I realized that as cats get older they get more and more sedate, and that by then I'd be wishing she were more fiesty and cute, and so I wanted her to always have as much of a wild streak as possible in her.  wink    But do try that Nutro pet food if you're interested!  It seems to be WAAAY healthier than any other brand on the market.   Let me know if you see any difference with Fat Head.  big_smile  (i love that name, btw!)

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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4 (edited by lyra 2005-01-12 11:41:54)

Re: Pets On Prozak - Disguising the problems that arise from pet food

Wanted to update this thread for anybody who has pets and is concerned about their health and the food they eat.

I finally have gotten my cat on a primarily raw foods diet, supplemented in between with the Nutro pet food mentioned in my opening post.  But I found an EXCELLENT link I wanted to share with everybody which outlines exactly how to make cat food --- centered around a raw foods diet --- for your cat.........

http://www.catfood.catnutrition.org/

It's a great must read for all Noble Realms cat owners!!!!   !!!!!    !!!!!!

For those who may be in the dark as I used to be, cats are supposed to be eating raw meat.  No grains.  No processed food.   Raw meat, period.    I did instinctively know this, I mean, what the heck cat eats rice and wheat in the wild?!?   ?!?!   But at the same time I was totally in the dark as to how to make my own cat food.   But think about it- ferral cats would be eating  raw bird meat, lizard, rodents, insects, etc.  Now, I'm not making mashed insect and lizard for my kitty wink  big_smile  but what I'm feeding her is raw chicken, chicken livers, and steamed salmon.  Salmon isn't mentioned in this link, probably cause it's a bit expensive for most people, but fish oil capsuless are mentioned, as a supplement to drizzle on the food.  I just said to hell with that and add actual salmon to her food.  She loves it and snarfs it right up. (fyi --- Salmon needs to be cooked, it can't be raw like the other meat.....)

So right now her "plate of flesh!" consists of raw organic chicken and organic chicken liver, steamed Alaskan salmon and alfalfa powder as her 'greens' supplement.  Sometimes egg.  (AND BOTTLED DISTILLED WATER....I've always had her on bottled water, never ever ever ever tap water, but recently I switched to distilled as was recommended, because it's better on the kidneys, no particulates to be filtering out....)    The link above mentions kelp, I picked alfalfa.   I tried beef liver, but as much as my cat loved it, her body didn't, and she puked it all back up again.  Too strong and intense for little kitties.   However, chicken livers seem to be just fine, probably because it's a bird, and cats in the wild would be eating birds....if they can catch them.  wink

I'm not doing what the lady in the link does with the huge recipe that she grinds up with the hand grinder, but that's only because I don't have a grinder.  But this weekend I will be tracking one down so I can stream line the process.

If you want your cat to be healthy and add years to their lives please consider making  their own food from quality ingredients that you control......................versus the roadkill and euthanized shelter animals that's in the mainstream pet food that most people are currently buying.   All these new pet diseases that animals are getting - diabetes, obesity, arthritis, cancer, organ failure, etc. are purely a result of their crappy store bought diets and probably excessive vaccination.    It's time to change!!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: Pets On Prozak - Disguising the problems that arise from pet food

Thanks for the links.  My two cats have never really been too keen on their foods; and we have tried many types of petstore catfood, both canned and dried.

They link some "human food", but the female doesn't usually eat it.  And so I considered on a few occasions "Well what do they eat in the wild?".

Answer being killed animals.  But I thought I wasn't going to feed them that...and so was stumped.  Think I am going to give this a try.

Also, we've had a dog now for about 9 weeks; shes about 10 months old, and extremly extremly lovely!!!  But...she too isn't all that keen on petstore food, we've just started her on "Pedigre" dog-food, which is canned meat, and she quite likes it.  But I am not happy about giving her that because of all the crap put into dog food.  So, is there much information anywhere on what's recommened to feed dogs?

6 (edited by lyra 2005-01-12 11:38:20)

Re: Pets On Prozak - Disguising the problems that arise from pet food

Hi Marcus (and anybody reading this...all three people....) that's awesome that you're interested in this, it seems from the lack of responses that hardly anybody is!   sad   

I think it's important that we try to feed our pets quality food........I mean, if we wouldn't eat it, then why should they?? is how I look at it.   For me, I just think to continue to knowingly feed an animal junk food is abuse, to put it bluntly.    Because unless the pets run away and rebel, they have no choice.  They have to eat what we give them.   It's one thing if we're uninformed and honestly have no idea of what kind of ingredients are in mainstream pet food, but it's another thing entirely if we know...but still use it.   

For now I would recommend getting your dog on Nutro dog food, (see link in my opening post here in this thread.......)  This is a fantastic brand with proven results.  Until you make the switchover to home made food that's pretty much the best brand out there to use during the "interim period."  I use Nutro cat food for those times when I don't have the time to whip up the raw food....namely in the morning, when I'm on my way out the door to work.  That'll change though once I get the hand grinder this weekend (hopefully)  and can make up the batches of food ahead of time like the woman in the link suggests.  So I'm hoping this bag of Nutro cat food will be the last!  smile 

Now, for do-it-yourself dog food I found a link regarding homemade dog food you might find helpful:

http://www.pet-grub.com/

Looks like an awesome site from what I've seen so far.   I'll see if I can find more.  Be back later!   smile

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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7 (edited by lyra 2005-01-12 12:26:18)

Re: Pets On Prozak - Disguising the problems that arise from pet food

........another good link Marcus (or anybody here who is a dog owner and wants to convert them to a raw foods diet....) is "Hare-Today.com" --

Here's a link straight to their FAQ page which addresses the raw foods issue for dogs:

http://www.hare-today.com/rawinfo.html

Peruse other areas of this site for other information and for ordering meat from this Pennsylvania-based family owned, natural farm.  They raise their animals free range, and without hormones and antibiotics...


EDIT:   And one more!    Woohoo!  I'm on a roll.....

http://www.pawstowonder.com/pages/2/index.htm

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: Pets On Prozak - Disguising the problems that arise from pet food

Thanks for this info.  I switched my dog and cats over to Nutro based on a post of yours (Lyra) many months ago.  However, having moved from Florida to New Hampshire in September I've not found Nutro as easily, although I did find something which seemed excellent for both.  HOWEVER, this raw diet seems the very best and I'm going to find where I can get everything I need.  I'm sure Misha (my dog), Lily and Shadow (my black Bombayish "baby") will be delighted.  BTW, I checked out Bombay cat on the internet and Shadow fits it to a tee.  I had no idea either that other cats were as talkative and extremely funny as she is!!  So, thanks for that tip too.  I just thought she was a wonderful black cat ...

Christine

Re: Pets On Prozak - Disguising the problems that arise from pet food

I hope to get a cat (again) so all this is helpful. Thanks. But, yeah, it's sick to give cats Prozac. Humans need to get with their own sh** before they subject animals to drugs. I mean, animals aren't supposed to not act like animals!

Re: Pets On Prozak - Disguising the problems that arise from pet food

Thanks for all the links!

Just making my way through all the information.  As I mentioned above our dog is very fussy with what she eats.  At one point she would always leave her food without even touching it, and then look at the cat bowls and basically beg for that.  So for a while we gave the dog cat food; which turned out to make her totally hyper!

So we stopped that and she calmed down after a few days.

I certainly want to feed the dog raw; but there is still that feeling - mainly because of the adverts, and "it's not the done thing" - that tells me not to feed raw.  But really common sense says that you should feed raw because its natural.

So with that said - I will check the rest of the info on those sites, and probably make my way round a few of the butchers in the high street and see what they have available.

So thanks again for sharing all this - it's really appreciated!!

11 (edited by lyra 2005-01-13 06:59:39)

Re: Pets On Prozak - Disguising the problems that arise from pet food

Hi Marcus and everybody,

Well, I actually emailed the lady who's link I posted, http://www.catfood.catnutrition.org/)   and heard back from her yesterday, which was cool.   She mentioned how whenever she tells her friends that she feeds her animals a raw foods diet they're always like, "Ooooooh!  Gross!!!"   and she said, "No, you know what's gross?  Store bought pet food, now that's gross!"
Said that feeding a carnivore actual meat is not gross...it's the way nature intended them to eat.   

Store bought pet food is gross, and I would ask anybody to please read the articles by Ann Martin I posted in my opening post.   They really and truly are putting euthanized animals and roadkill in those bags and cans and pouches of dog and cat food. ("WE ARE SOYLENT ALPO!!!    SOYLENT WHISKAS...............IS US!!!!!  AHHHHHHHHH!")  haha!  big_smile   

What's interesting is in my initial email to Anne at Cat Nutrition.org, I mentioned the bit about the "nasty ingredients" in the pet foods, since I didn't see emphasis or focus on that in her website.   I was curious what she thought about that whole issue.   Turns out she's actually VERY much aware of what's going on in the pet food industry, but she's learned that when she starts talking about that with vets and sends out letters to the Vet industry, people start shutting down when they get to that point.   They won't read past the first paragraph.   So she's had to take a softer approach, and approach the issue from the "natural carnivore" angle, and take the emphasis off the euthanized animals, roadkill, downer diseased carcasses lying in their own feces, and the general disease and mayhem that comes in every nifty little store bought package. 

I could relate to what she was talking about because haven't most of us here at NR encountered this very same phenomenon??   Start talking to people about the truth of what's going on in this world, for whatever subject  -- politics, government, the NWO, hyperdimensional metaphysics, etc. etc. and people's eyes glaze over, they literally start shutting down.  They don't want to hear it.    They want to talk about Sports, T.V., they WANT to hear the mainstream version of reality, and will look at you like you're out of your friggin' MIND if you even so much as utter something that sounds different.

The industries of this world are on "lockdown".   Including the pet food industry.  Pets are a multi-billion dollar industry in themselves, from their food, accessories and grooming products, and now disease management in cahoots with the pharmaceutical corps.   



Marcus wrote:

I certainly want to feed the dog raw; but there is still that feeling - mainly because of the adverts, and "it's not the done thing" - that tells me not to feed raw.  But really common sense says that you should feed raw because its natural.

We have to unprogram................the adverts are lying.   They want your money, that's all, and what they're giving you in exchange is disease and mayhem in a bag or can.  Please, read the above articles in my opening post, in fact here they are again:

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/petfood1.html
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/petfood2.html

Also consider just how many people's dogs and cats are always having "problems", being taken to the vet, then developing long term illnesses like cancer / tumors, arthritis, obesity, digestive disorders (diarreah, vomiting)  hyper nervous anxious energy, rashes, sores, allergies, itching / dandruff, chewed bald spots, etc.    This is a result of their pet food, nothing more.  When you feed an animal it's proper diet with quality ingredients it will be healthy and fit and mentally stable.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Re: Pets On Prozak - Disguising the problems that arise from pet food

Yep...it's beyond disgusting what's in those cans of food.  I want to clarify though that when I said I feel reluctant, I realise it's a programed feeling; so am ignoring it.  Just thought it worth a mention.

And the adverts comment was aimed at the food packaging, and store ads rather than any TV ads (I don't watch live TV - so see no TV ads).

I won't rush into this overnight because I want to get it right.  But rest assured, within the week our pets won't be eating commercial food; thanks to your help and suggestions.

(Oh, and I will have more available time later tonight, so will be able to better reply to your various bits of info smile )

13 (edited by lyra 2005-01-13 08:11:42)

Re: Pets On Prozak - Disguising the problems that arise from pet food

Cool!   Well, hope I don't sound too pushy on this thread..........I'm not trying to be if anybody's thinking that, I just think it's important to get people informed about the nature of pet food.  The Scorpio Leo Tiger in me gets really intense about things sometimes!  hehe   I get all on my mission, all zealous, just give me a soap box to stand on and rant from!   big_smile

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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14 (edited by manyeagles 2005-01-14 06:26:31)

Re: Pets On Prozak - Disguising the problems that arise from pet food

Well Lyra    smile  I got to give it to you !!!!!!!!!    big_smile

About a week ago I was lamenting how my kitty manages to lick up all the "jucies" out of the wet food.  She will then decide to leave the rest till it turns into cement, even if she's really hungry  roll 

Spoke with a few other cat owners and ALL of them said their cats will do the same.  This got me to thinking, why isn't there a cat food on the market that is at least 50% "jucies" or more ???.....Got me wondering about a possible market, and didn't have a clue how to  make it, and envisioned a lot of trial and error recipes etc. 

Let's face it, their natural diet is fresh kill which does contain a lot of REAL jucies, and "crunchies" are out of the question.  After really reading all the ingredients on the can of wet food, it seemed pretty sad that the "supposed" cat food nowdays is really good for them at all.

Maybe a natural foods market would sell this "real" sort of food (if the demand it there).  HMMMM.....

If there is no time
      Then you have time for everything.
   You're never in a hurry.
That's true freedom.

Re: Pets On Prozak - Disguising the problems that arise from pet food

Big surprise for me tonight! We made Pesto Pasta for dinner. We used fresh harvested Basil from our herb garden and oragnic pasta, set it on the table to eat and Monster-kitty had her nose in the air and jumped up in my lap and stuck her nose right in my plate! In the more than six years that she's been here she's never done this. I peeled off a piece of pasta and put it in her bowl and she chowed down on it... and then ate another piece!

Basil, pine nuts, pumpkin seeds, garlic, olive oil, and pasta--and she loved it!

As well, she's always liked cantalope. If a cantalope gets opened around here she's talking and smoozing until she gets a chunk.

Pesto Pasta though, hunh!, what a thing! big_smile

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