1 (edited by lyra 2004-07-13 20:32:13)

Topic: Parallel Timelines

Alright, it's about time I finally got around to posting this topic, as it's been on my mind for awhile now.  smile

To give a run down on the starter basics for parallel timelines:

-  When you have a premonition, and forsee an event before it happens, it means it's already out there.   It's already happened.   

-  Now, if one were to forsee the future, but then choose to react differently from the way they did in the premonition, ie, choose a different path, then what happens to the original version that they had seen in their mind?   It's already happened, it's already "out there", so......where does it go when you decide to pick a different road?   It can't just disappear.   If you saw it then it means it's "real."   If it's "real", then it can't go poof!     

- According to Quantum Physics, of which I'm totally clueless to be honest, the timeline branches off at those "fork in the road" moments.   For every choice you make, there's the choice you didn't make, and both realities are real and valid, and both exist "out there."   That means there's infinite versions of yourself.   I can grasp the basic concept of this, but I don't have any answers as to how the timeline branches, how having multiple you's on multiple timelines affects your soul, and why we can have all these different timelines / us's existing independently of each other, with each one of them believing they are the only version of themselves and reality out there, completely oblivious to their other selves....

...Or are they??

Has anybody here ever had a glimpse of themselves in a parallel timeline?   Like what Barbara Marciniak and the Seth Material talked about?   I think I have, and it's pretty wild.   Marciniak said that in these times, our different timelines would start to converge, that we'd find ourselves with memories of things we haven't done.....at least, in this timeline.   We'd see different versions of ourselves living out different versions of our life.   That's our timelines crashing together.

I've had a few glimpses and "memories" of things I haven't done....in this timeline.  But it was definately me, and it was definately the present day, so, it wasn't a past life or anything.   These glimpses, memories, whatever you want to call them, are just moments in time in a life, snippets of an every day existance, like if someone were able to jump into you for 5 seconds, and completely see / hear / taste / smell / feel and emotionally feel everything that you do.   Just BE you, for 5 seconds.   That's what this is like, only, I'm "being" me.   Just not me on THIS timeline. 

I'll share a few examples, just for kicks, to better illustrate:

-  I have a memory of walking into a pizza place at night in what seemed / felt to me like New York City.   Just a moment in time, a 5 second snip of an every day ordinary event.  I can clearly see the two guys who worked there, the way the pizza place looked, the lighting, the way I felt.  I think it's Brooklyn.   I recognize them and they in turn know me since I went in there a lot.   I was born in New York, (not too far from New York City)  and my parents moved to Massachusetts when I was 7, under wacky weird circumstances.   But there's the timeline where they didn't move to MA.........................and they stayed in New York, with the rest of their family, and where I wound up raised in New York instead.   New York is a major alternate timeline for me.   This is why 9/11 affected me so greatly, despite the fact that on this timeline I was in Southern California when it happened.   On another timeline I wasn't.   

-  Another memory of being in an amusement park with about 4 or 5 other friends, standing around in line to get on this roller coaster which was just the scariest @#&%! thing you ever saw.   It's HUGE, it's painted bright red, and it has THE tallest, steepest incline drop I've ever seen in my life, and I'm looking up at this rollercoaster, against a white/gray cloudy sky as I'm standing in line, and I laugh and tell my friends that there's NO WAY I'm going on there!!  I can't!!!    The image of that rollercoaster was so FREAKY. 

The update on the rollercoaster one is VERY interesting indeed.   About a year after having that "dream", I was in a Barnes and Noble, and found a coffee table book on the world's best rollercoasters.   Flipping through it, I very unexpectedly found a picture of the rollercoaster from my "dream".   I nearly flipped my lid there at the B & N when I foudn that!!   I think I said "HOLY S***!!!"  outloud.  big_smile    There's only one coaster like it, and it's very distinctive.   There's no mistaking it.   Here it is:

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0205/fig3.gif 

The Steel Force, in Allentown, PA.   I looked up Allentown tonight on the internet to see where it was in PA in relation to New York, because my theory was that I was seeing myself in an alternate timeline where I visited this amusement park with some friends, driving from New York.  And wouldn't you know it, Allentown is on the eastern side of PA, not too far over the border from New Jersey, very close to New York indeed.   Very do-able to drive there.   Go figure.   

Yup....parallel timelines. 

Any thoughts on this?

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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I fully think that experiencing parallel timelines is possible. 

I have a few examples which are much more mundane, but may be related.  It has to do with experiencing something as a child and then experiencing the same or a similar thing as an adult.  When I am having the experience as an adult, I am experiencing the adult experience directly with an overlay of my childhood memory.

For example, when I was about 6 years old, I went to DisneyWorld and went on the Haunted House ride.  This was a very vivid experience for me.  Then when I was an adult I went back and did the Haunted House ride again.  As an adult, it was particularly intense because I was experiencing the scenes directly and also experiencing my childhood memories at the same time.

A similar thing happened recently when I saw the movie Wizard of Oz as an adult and remembered seeing as a child as well.

I think that this effect is strongest for me with vivid childhood memories.  Its not nearly as strong an effect, for example, when I see a movie as an adult, and then see the same movie again as an adult.

3 (edited by SednaSphere 2004-07-15 09:22:20)

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I got chills as I was reading your posts. For one thing, I've lived in the states mentioned, and have always sensed an alter "New Yorker" self. I went to
the Haunted House ride as much as I could as a kid living in the area....probably every year. I have had flashes, too. For one thing, when I was five or six I "know" I was watching our black and white TV in Anaheim and I saw my dad briefly interviewed on some Los Angeles area show. But I asked about it several times to my mom, and she said that was not the case. She thinks I was just "missing" my dad while he was at work and sensing the impending divorce.

While all this psychology is possibly a part of it and intertwined with it, I have always suspected that it happened in an alternate timeline. Many times when I have gotten deja-vus and "twinges" I have gotten the oddest feeling of disorientation, as if I am in two or more places at once. A bit of a quandary for  anyone fed the non-quantum
life-view in "school." I say it this way so as refer to the idea that TPTB know of all this and seek deliberately to "train us out" of seeing the multiverse, so as to enjoy lots o' the ol' money and power, etc.


Lyra, that rollercoaster makes my stomach lurch just looking at it. Ye gods. I went on a rickety old one in Hull, MA which I believe has since been destroyed; Lord knows the thing seemed to be ready to go down momentarily as we lurched steadily up to the top of the similarly sickening drop. Not fun at all. I felt like someone wanted to kill me.

I have experienced upon occasion a particular maddening existential frustration upon realizing that I am not currently in one of the "cushier" timelines possible for me.
Ah, well. This one is hardly dull!

4 (edited by lyra 2004-07-15 01:58:05)

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Hi Sedna and all,

SednaSphere wrote:

While all this psychology is possibly a part of it and intertwined with it, I have always suspected that it happened in an alternate timeline.  Many times when I have gotten deja-vus and "twinges" I have gotten the oddest feeling of disorientation, as if I am in two or more places at once. A bit of a quandary for  anyone fed the non-quantum life-view in "school." I say it this way so as refer to the idea that TPTB know of all this any seek deliberately to "train us out" of seeing the multiverse, so as to enjoy lots o' the ol' money and power, etc.

That's so true.   That's why those of us that do manage to get past our school training / brain washing / conditioning and glimpse a little more about reality are very fortunate.  It really is a wonder that we can do it at all, considering how desparately they try to pound stuff out of us and pull the wool over our eyes.     

Yeah, New York is apaprantly a major major timeline for me as well.   Another theory I've considered regarding my New York connection is that almost all of my family originates from there, on both sides.   Both my parents grew up in NYC, (Brooklyn and Manhatten) and their grandparents / relatives were all immigrants who came in via Ellis Island then settled in the big melting pot.   So in that case, it's like something to do with "cellular memory", or accessing my ancestors memories and experiences.   But that doesn't change the fact that I've seen myself doing stuff in a New York timeline.   So cellular memory and accessing ancestor experiences can't fully explain everything.

On a sidenote, I have to add this:   In 6th grade we took a class trip to NYC (from CT).   The major place on our agenda to visit was.........the World Trade Center.   I was able to be in the WTC, the top observation deck, AND the roof.   It was just too cool, and I still have my photos.   Thing is though, after that I became obsessed with the WTC anytime my family went to NYC after that, I was obsessed with the idea of them falling.   In my mind, I saw them falling over though, not "imploding" and falling downwards like they did Las Vegas Casino TNT style.   But still, I was obsessed with the idea of them falling, and my obsession stemmed from an eery, ominous feeling I got from looking at them.  So I'd always snap photos of them or collected up postcards that had the towers in the photo, and just stare at them in fascination.    Guess I was picking up on something that was yet to come.  (and just to add:  I've been to the Sears Tower as well, to the top observation deck, got the photos, etc., but never had any sort of feeling about it.   Absolutely nothing, just bland neutrality, no emotional interest.)

But this leads me to the idea of just how inevitable was it that 9/11 was going to happen?    After it happened, I walked around for the next 2 weeks feeling surreal, like it "wasn't supposed to happen",  that this was NOT how things were supposed to go, and yet, as a kid I had some weird ominous feeling about the Towers, and was obsessed with them falling.    Makes me wonder then.......did 9/11 happen "across the board" on every timeline?   Or only on certain ones?   

hmmmmmm..............

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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One more thing.....

In my first post, I wrote that my parents moved to MA when I was 7...........No they didn't!      They moved there when I was a baby, and lived in MA UNTIL I was 7.   UGH!   Sorry.  Not that it matters, but damn, this is my life, you'd think I'd get it right!!!!   Just had to clear that up.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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6 (edited by Auendove 2004-07-15 05:08:34)

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WOW!  Your posts nearly floored me!  Especially this from Sedna--

SednaSphere wrote:

For one thing, when I was five or six I "know" I was watching our black and white TV in Anaheim and I saw my dad briefly interviewed on some Los Angeles area show. But I asked about it several times to my mom, and she said that was not the case. She thinks I was just "missing" my dad while he was at work and sensing the impending divorce.

While all this psychology is possibly a part of it and intertwined with it, I have always suspected that it happened in an alternate timeline.


All of the posts have brought back memories of myself a few years ago trying to figure out the timeline of my youth because some dates and places were not adding up!  I still cannot figure it out.  I even sat down with my mother with the dates of when we lived where written out in a list , we moved a lot because my father was in the military, and there were a few glaring overlaps.  My poor mother got so frustrated with confusion because she could no better explain it than could I and we had to stop talking about as much.  I had hoped I was just making a mistake with the dates, but I hadn't. Blow my freaking mind!

The strangest thing of all along this line is, with my mother involved again--

My mother was visiting me and a friend was over who commented to my mom how pretty my given name is complimenting her on her choice.  I sat there and explained the name was my fathers idea (my mom wanted to name me Annette) and that I was named after a French Nun my father met when he was on a Navy tour of duty in France.  My mother sat there and asked me where I got such a notion!  I told her my father told me.  She told me she had never heard of such a thing!  And I told her I remembered CLEARLY as a child him telling me this story.  This still makes me to shake my head, she had told me they argued about what to name me and "as usual your father won". 

I don't know, but don't you guys think if they were arguing about it my father would also tell her the story? 

Or was it even this timeline father who told me as much?

Shakin', shakin', shakin' m'head.... LOL!  Sounds like the probable chorus line of a song entitled "The Parallel Timeline Boogie". Hehehe...kinda brings a new meaning to head-bangin' doesn't it? big_smile ROTFLMAO!

And yes, I would ask my father about this but our relationship has been fractured for years and years and there is no communication... ahem, I have been disowned, as well has been my baby brother. Alas, guilt and alcohol make for really ineffectual tools of discernment.  I find this to be incredibly sad for my father.

SednaSphere wrote:

I have experience upon occasion a particular maddening existential frustration upon realizing that I am not currently in one of the "cushier" timelines possible for me.
Ah, well. This one is hardly dull!

No kidding Sisterella! smile No kidding!

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

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You know what you guys?  I may be sitting here still shaking my head, but I feel a great sense of relief that I'm not alone.

Thank you... this is the reason why NR is such a joyous solace for me.

Please excuse my mushy-gushy nature, but I just love you guys sooo much... whether we're all kwazy or not we are in good company! wink

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

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It is comforting to know there are others, and I never get tired of re-affirming this, because, most likely, MCS never tires of reinforcing the patently wrong deterministic world view. We are indeed fortunate and blessed to have reached even this state of wakefullness. We are not "kwazy", Auendove! I know you know this, but sometimes even when staring our strange reality in the face I have needed someone to "tell" me this....Well, several times in one! Heh Heh.


9-11 and the towers falling, Lyra, had the feel for me of a multi-dimensional disaster.
It had such an engineered feeling, just as do the fallout measures being taken right now in this very city for the so called "convention" ahead. Yes, it's more like a convention of interdimensionals with their symbolic dastardly deeds proceeding swimmingly as they check off their to-do list point by point. No doubt you picked up on this in your wierd sensations regarding the towers. I can see them falling as you said in one dimension, exploding in another, being bombed visibly in another, attacked by hordes of jets, hornet like, in another, and so on and so forth...whatever the physical means, the absolutely willful intent to make sure this happened, by hook or by crook, oozes forth from some
interdimensional erie of evil.

That event and the chain reaction that has followed is no doubt the linch pin manipulation of our timelines and no doubt reverberated to past and future events in our lives. Particularly as we are ones who are hep to this and a threat to the system.
They've got to get our heads swimming, and ourselves and the world thinking we are nuts, if they can!

9 (edited by aaronfirebrand 2004-07-15 10:14:37)

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I'd like to echo Auendove's appreciation for the "joyous solace" of NR.  Sedna, I believe that since the splitting of the atom, a door connecting to a dark realm has been slowly, methodically opened. I'd guess that this dark realm connects to all parallel timelines and can simultaneously interface in all. Events like 9/11 may be one aspect (the one we perceive in our reality) of a manifold ritual ocurring in all dimensions.  If only we could communicate with our alternate selves the way ants do. To be trans-dimensionally conscious. Wow!  PS: I keep wanting to ask, since this thread involves parallel timelines, is anyone here familiar with the old TV show, Sliders? I've been enjoying it in rerun on the scifi channel. (of course, I realize most of you don't waste time on the glass teat...)

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aaronfirebrand wrote:

PS: I keep wanting to ask, since this thread involves parallel timelines, is anyone here familiar with the old TV show, Sliders? I've been enjoying it in rerun on the scifi channel. (of course, I realize most of you don't waste time on the glass teat...)

I used to watch it.

This summer will probably be the last time I ever "waste time on the glass teat".

Good riddence.

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The glass teat!   I love it, I'm going to use that from now on.   Too funny.

As far as "Sliders" goes, I've heard of it, but never watched it, although I recently came across a mention of it online and it intrigued me.   When I recently read about it, I wished that I had the opportunity to watch some episodes, as they looked good.    But alas............I don't have a glass teat!   big_smile   So, I'm out of luck.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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I should own up here. The "glass teat" phrase was stolen from the inimitable Harlan Ellison. Please don't tell him, as he's a pretty tough little guy. As to TV, there is occasional value to be found. If every set had been manufactured with "For Entertainment Purposes Only" emblazoned above the picture tube, TV might not have become the holy trinitron that sheeple worship (and sacrifice their children to)

13 (edited by manyeagles 2004-07-15 12:30:21)

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Ditto for glass teat too!:)  Food for thought for making up wild jokes.

I remember "Sliders", wonder why it was taken off,  I liked that show a lot.

Well...... This is pretty ancient, but does anyone remember the show "One Step Beyond"?  REALLY ancient cause it was in black and white-circa early 60"s.  Seemed to be a preamble to X-files, but had a few haunting tunes that seemed to stick in your head.  Wonder if they will show them again?  I recall my parents woke me up to watch a particular episode on One Step Beyond, it was about a robot that looked like a human who sustained a cut on his arm revealing wiring.  It seemed a bit odd to me that they'd wake me up to watch it , being  way past my bedtime and all.

If there is no time
      Then you have time for everything.
   You're never in a hurry.
That's true freedom.

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manyeagles, I remember OSB quite well. A bit creepier than Twilight Zone (cheesier production, as I recall). The Night Visions series of a few years ago with Henry Rollins was an homage, I believe. I think I can remember the episode you mention. From the showings I've seen, the video record of OSB seems like kinescope, not well suited to the hi-res era. Sliders just ran out of good ideas, I guess. It's currently being rerun on the scifi channel, and more than likely available on dvd.

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aaron, I share your opinion on the "occassional value". Hell, my personality wouldn't be the same without my past-times of watching Saved by the Bell, Star-Trek, countless cartoons, movies, etc.

BUT! I still believe it does more harm (tenfold) than good. The 'content' isn't what I'm refering to, as you may recall the different exerpts about how it (strobe-lights) is designed to control our frequencies. Manipulating our very 'essence' while we are drawn in by what we consider the "occasional value" of watching perhaps a show here that gives us an interesting idea, or a documentary, or w-h-a-t-e-v-e-r. Regardless this technology is designed primarily as to draw our energies, encode us with conglomerations that spread our thoughts too thin, and ultimately transmute us into impotency.

The strobe-light technology, at all times, is designed for our control. "Gather around sheep!"

Regardless to our excuses of "why we still like watching T.V.", it is definately not an opinion our higher-faculties-of-thought share. It is merely our egos, in need for our old companion, the box-of-wonders.

Given even with all of this BB preaching, I do watch T.V. (moderately) this summer while staying at my family's house. sigh... big_smile "But I love it so!"