1 (edited by feritciva 2006-04-24 06:24:28)

Topic: Spirit World According to Dr.Michael Newton's Studies

OK, this will be a bit long and a kind of summary on some spiritual info for me.

There recently was a thread on Dolores Cannon which was very enlightining and interesting. I searched for Cannon books afterwards and found one in Turkish; Between Death & Life. But another name got my attention in my search; Dr. Michael Newton - another researcher working on hypnotic regression. His two books Journey of Souls & Destiny of Souls are available in Turkish. I immediately began Journey of Souls.


The Scene

Dr. Newton gives us detailed definitions on spirit world. Souls are here - having physical experience - to learn/evolve/progress. We are here many times, learning more & more in each lifetime. The informations we gather in our lifetimes are studied carefully with our guides afterlife. We also have our soul groups and we have to work on our karma too with some souls. Sometimes they're our friend in one lifetime, they're our family/parents in another lifetime. Our guides are always with us, guiding us with love & light, willing the best for us. When we fail in one lifetime, they will be there to meet us and study on our problems without judging. In fact nobody judges us; it's us that set the court in between lives.

There was a very interesting classification of souls. Dr.Newton seperates souls into some levels, Level I, II, III, IV and V. These are nearly the same with our use of Densities. Level V do not need to have physical experiences and they usually do not attach to physical bodies anymore - but there's still %1 of human population onthis level. They're the path leaders. Level IV is close to be a Master, so if he's here that's for guiding others. There may be %9 of population on various steps of Level IV. That all together makes a percent of 10 - a population of 600-650 million people worldwide. One more interesting point; Level I souls begin from a source like a hive. They do not have "personal" features as higher level souls.

The majority of physical beings on earth are on Level I, II and III. Mostly I and II. Dr. Newton writes he's not happy to mention these souls have a long way to go and this is the root of many problems humanity suffers today - prejudice, conservatism, fear, anger etc. But as they're here to evolve, there's no need to get angry or be hopeless about the situation - they'll learn too.



The Questions

OK, now the questions. Lots of things do not settle in this scene. The most important thing is - for the NR's that are familiar with Dr. Newton's works - he seems to write what lots of people WANT to hear and feel comfortable to read. We all want to hear that our problems are temporary, we'll have love and light  "in the end", there are guides/higher beings working for our sheer good.

But...

But again there's no mention of any dark side intervention in this process. I can't really see why some people do not want to see that if we're here to evolve/progress this process should contain all STO's and STS's, dark side and positive side. Why not? Is it a solution trying not to see dark side? If there's a "orthodoxy of new-age spiritualism" it doesn't have anything on power of polarisation - but we already talked on this many times on NR. Dr. Newton talks about fear, anger, hate etc. as characteristics of Level I-II and says they will evolve higher too. But... if a being chose dark side this means he/she will evolve on these characteristics and make himself/herself more skillful on these! What happened to Law of Freewill? And... if Level V's are here as path leaders, couldn't they see that their teaching will turn to prisons and suffering sources for the rest of humanity. The most important question is; WHO is responsible for this conversion - if these beings are here to help and "show the way" to the rest?

Also I remember reading about simultaneous vs sequental incarnations in some sources. Our higher selves do not have any restrictions on linear timeline. So why having one lifetime on one time? Are we attending only one lesson per one academic year or many lessons in universities? I finished faculty of pharmacy and if I had to take one lesson every year, I was doomed and couldn't still finish the first semester!

And finally... why do I have the exact feeling that ALL the higher guides are not here (or there or whereever) for our good? Higher self connections are something different but it can easily be misdirected according to my research till now. Again there's no mention or no warning on this - or maybe there is in his second book, I haven't read it yet. Time to order Dolores Cannon books from amazon.com for me!

PS: I've done some homework too. Check this thread for some other interesting & similar questions:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=486

Change we must, to live again
- Jon Anderson

2 (edited by z3n3rg 2006-04-24 09:42:51)

Re: Spirit World According to Dr.Michael Newton's Studies

I'll post a wee disclaimer here.

I don't know.  My writing may sound like it's stated as fact.  However, that is only because it's the easiest way to convey this stuff without being too cumbersome.  In other words, don't take my word for it.

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I read those two books quite a few years before I came across the concepts STO and STS.  Remembering the books now, they still make sense even after the new concepts and teachings I've read.  STS is still love for the creator.  An STS entity recognizes the creator in self and seeks to expand self.  This entity also recognizes the creator in others and seeks to enslave others for expansion of self.  An STS entity must love self at the expense of others almost completely in order for it to be enough to move on past this density.  But this is just talking about the physical universe (matter + energy).  STS entities in 5d (according to popular accounts) can be guides just as STO entities can.  It makes sense to me.  Lower level STS entities need their guides too.

On to answer your questions the best I can given my current understanding.

I can't really see why some people do not want to see that if we're here to evolve/progress this process should contain all STO's and STS's, dark side and positive side. Why not?

Levels.  The souls under hypnosis are speaking from a 5d level.  We are all family there.  The "dark" entities have their teachers and lessons just as the "light" entities do.  But 5d STS cannot infringe on the learning of 5d STO.  If a 4d STO doesn't require to interact with 4d STS, then it would follow that 5d is even further along that thought line.  There are STS "masters" incarnated now but I'm quite certain these "Illuminati" types never went to Mr. Newton to have soul regressions.  So we're not going to get the 5d STS view of "heaven".


Is it a solution trying not to see dark side?

As stated above, I think the omission of the "dark side" is simply a product of the fact that the higher level STS souls are too busy playing with their trillions of dollars and enslaving humanity to go to a soul regression.  At the same time, I don't think it's healthy for our frequency vibration to demonize the dark side.  In order for us to advance in the vibration realms we must utilize the higher emotional and higher intellectual centers together.  That means understanding, accepting and (dare I say it) loving the dark entities.  That's not saying send love.  Big difference between sending love and merely loving out of understanding and acceptance of their choices as free-will entities.

At this point, I've taken it beyond this and now appreciate them.  If not for their darkness I may not have seen my light so quickly.  Their energy helped push me faster in the direction I was already heading as a soul.  They do this at their own expense as well.  Personally, their energy has helped me tremendously and they keep getting diminishing returns.  I can't help but appreciate their persistence and how that has assisted me in my path.  Seriously, it was personal.  Overwhelming circumstances of control.  This pushed me to seek.  If they had left me alone to just be in the "general law" then I might still be floundering around seeking physical freedom through acquisition of money.  I'm thankful everyday for STS.


Dr. Newton talks about fear, anger, hate etc. as characteristics of Level I-II and says they will evolve higher too.  What happened to Law of Freewill?

I think it's a matter of misinterpretation due to the nature of what's going on with the soul regression.  The levels III-IV-V that gave this information were most likely seeking STO and it was seen from that perspective.  (We are all STS on this planet but many seek STO and many aren't really seeking a side yet.)  As stated earlier, in 5d everyone is family but the dark entities would be separated much like 4d.  You wouldn't have a 5d STS entity in your soul group.  Nor would you require the lessons they do.  So it's just not important at all when speaking directly to the memories of a soul.  It's important to us at this moment because STS is so excruciatingly overt.


And... if Level V's are here as path leaders, couldn't they see that their teaching will turn to prisons and suffering sources for the rest of humanity.

Would it be better that they ignored the call of millions of souls?  Jesus may have known that his teachings would be subverted but it certainly wasn't his intention.  And further, those that could see through the lies got the real story anyway.  It's up to the individual soul to figure it out.  If they can't then they have more learning to do.  I can go into a church, kick the preacher off the pulpit and start telling the truth.  But how many people would listen?  I'd be thrown out and arrested.  The hypnotized church goers would be all agast at my heretical words until the hypnotizer came back in to calm them all down.  Then they would quickly fall back into their chosen sleep.


The most important question is; WHO is responsible for this conversion - if these beings are here to help and "show the way" to the rest?

It's always an individual choice.  Jesus did not shackle people to the ground and force them to believe what he said.  The Roman Catholic Church on the other hand...  Just because someone teaches doesn't mean they are imposing on free-will.  It's up to the individual to ask for it first.  If it's given then they have the choice to accept or reject.

So why having one lifetime on one time?

Again, the soul piece in the regression session is concentrating on it's memories.  It's not concerned with other timelines.  Omission does not always mean ignoring.  It's a matter of perspective.  And it's a matter of the questions being asked.


why do I have the exact feeling that ALL the higher guides are not here (or there or whereever) for our good?

They are all here for our good.  A higher STS guide is still teaching love for the creator.  Just expressed as self-love.  Maybe you are thinking of 4d or astral level attachments.  They can certainly "guide" you but I wouldn't call them guides.

3 (edited by feritciva 2006-04-25 00:24:54)

Re: Spirit World According to Dr.Michael Newton's Studies

Thanks for the mail z3n3rg. Some points I have not thought of. Especially this:


There are STS "masters" incarnated now but I'm quite certain these "Illuminati" types never went to Mr. Newton to have soul regressions.  So we're not going to get the 5d STS view of "heaven".

Makes sense.



That means understanding, accepting and (dare I say it) loving the dark entities.

ssshhh! It's dangerous around NR to say that! lol



(We are all STS on this planet but many seek STO and many aren't really seeking a side yet.)

This is very important point you wrote. I wonder what did we do or forget to be here in STS realm?



And on "masters";

Would it be better that they ignored the call of millions of souls?  Jesus may have known that his teachings would be subverted but it certainly wasn't his intention.

Yep, it would be better. OR that's what I feel when I look how we were misguided by these teachings. I know, I'm a bit radical on this. I de-fi-ni-te-ly don't like any guides. It WAS a matter of individual choice before we were trapped in these so-called master's teachings. You may say "no, they didn't have any teaching themselves. it was all organised after them". But again my feeling is this: if they were higher beings, they would see this situation before. Anyone read Richard Bach's One? There was a story about a Master and "The Pages". Richard & Leslie were asking the Master to tell these to humanity and he was responding; "why? to let people put a name & a flag to these truths and fight for it?" Then Richard was saying "do not give them any name". And the Master says "then they call it simply Pages and fight for the Holy Pages".

Is it humanity's destiny? Is it because of "raw" souls, still connected to hive-mind? Do we have to pass here anyway? Is there no other way? Don't know yet. But sometimes I get a little hopeless on this.



Maybe you are thinking of 4d or astral level attachments.  They can certainly "guide" you but I wouldn't call them guides.

Yep, u'r right on this. Especially the ones we see in dreams. They invaded the lower astral realms it seems.

Change we must, to live again
- Jon Anderson

Re: Spirit World According to Dr.Michael Newton's Studies

feritciva wrote:

Is it humanity's destiny? Is it because of "raw" souls, still connected to hive-mind? Do we have to pass here anyway? Is there no other way? Don't know yet. But sometimes I get a little hopeless on this.

to roughly paraphrase the way it is presented in some of the Ra 'Book of One' material we are put on 3D earth to make a choice. In 4D and maybe even some of 5D a soul can evolve on either an STS or STO path. Our incarnarnation on earth is the place where we come to learn about love- either for others or purly for ourselves. by choosing to polarise in one or other directions we decide how our later density experiances go. In the the last density those on the STS path will realise that they are part of everything anyway and will change their polarity before they are able to merge with the one.

this may not be exactly as Ra puts it, but as far as your question it is at least a perspective on it. smile

The greatest catalyst to change comes from accepting thyself

Re: Spirit World According to Dr.Michael Newton's Studies

feritciva wrote:

Would it be better that they ignored the call of millions of souls?  Jesus may have known that his teachings would be subverted but it certainly wasn't his intention.

Yep, it would be better. OR that's what I feel when I look how we were misguided by these teachings. I know, I'm a bit radical on this. I de-fi-ni-te-ly don't like any guides. It WAS a matter of individual choice before we were trapped in these so-called master's teachings.

I do understand where you are coming from.  I had thought this very same thing before.  And, at a certain level, I agree with you.

The problem I see is that the original "master teachings" were from the dark forces.  Now, if they had just kept to themselves and let us evolve we would all still be in an edenic state of perpetual bliss.  But no, they had to come in and screw everything up for their own benefit.  The "master teachings" of the light forces were a response to this.  The dark forces said "Oh yea" and subverted the light teachings too.  Fine mess we find ourselves in now.  So I agree, those dark masters need to step off and let us evolve without their retarded guidance.  Then the light masters would have no "calling" from humanity to help and would go off to float around in Nirvana.  I used to be perturbed about this messing around with my destiny.  Unfortunately, my "shaking fist in air" had no effect.

So to all you masters out there, feel our human wrath...

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Re: Spirit World According to Dr.Michael Newton's Studies

I was so busy laughing at 'angry smiley' I forgot to answer the questions.

I wonder what did we do or forget to be here in STS realm?

STS is just a state of mind and the actions resulting from that state of mind.  We chose to come down here to experience physicality.  I suppose we were a wee bit naive when it came to understanding the forces at play in the physical realms.  We got tricked by the dark ones into seeking knowledge outside ourselves.  And that was our "original sin" or better put "how we disconnected ourselves from our higher essense".  To this day most of humanity seeks the knowledge and answers outside themselves.  As long as we seek external authority there will always be an opening for manipulation.


Is it humanity's destiny?

It's our collective chosen destiny.  When we collectively chose our higher essense then our destiny will fit that choice.


Is it because of "raw" souls, still connected to hive-mind?

Those souls could just as easily learn the ways of STO as STS.  But collectively we have chosen to teach them STS.


Do we have to pass here anyway?

Depends on what level you speak of.  As of this moment, we must pass this way because that's where our vibration puts us.


Is there no other way?

Choose a different way.  It doesn't look like there will be any huge collective change of heart so this choosing would need to be individualized.  Choose your own destiny.  It will still have to fall within the natural laws though, since that is where we find ourselves.


Hmmm.  Need another funny smiley to laugh at.

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It's p'nut butta n' jelly time!