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Topic: Walk-In or Wanderer?

Perhaps this post will be of service in case there are Wanderers (WR) and/or Walk-Ins (WI) who need to wake up. This is a real issue that Ruth Montgomery tried to address in the late 70’s – 80’s but instead of clarifying the issue, she unfortunately glorified it thus distorting it.

First we all  understand that there are different levels, or dimensions in which souls reside. The following is a delineation by level for focus of activity:

3rd – physicality, learning to handle the body and physical world.
4th – Love, STO, some knowledge
5th – Light, truth, more knowledge
6th – integration of 3 – 5.

Typically Walk-Ins and Wanderers come from the 6th level (even if they haven’t mastered the 6th – which would put them in the 7th).

What is so important to see, and I don’t think Montgomery emphasized this, is that the 6th is not better than the 3rd, nor is ALL known, nor are they ALL loving… there are a lot of souls in the 4 – 5 – 6 range that have Light and are STS. In addition, people tend to assume that the ‘higher’ one goes, the more they have it together and thus the ‘better’ they are. Not so. The 6th is not higher – it is right here, just phase-shifted out of view.

Please be aware that the 3rd deals in physicality issues, and is not really about learning Love or Light, nor integrating them, but attempting it doesn’t hurt anything.  The 4th deals in learning about Love and learning to Love. The 5th deals with Knowledge, which is Light and handling it. Yes, I said that above, but I want to make sure you see that each ‘level’ is focused on one main aspect of soul growth – 5th is not better than 4th.  The 3 levels (3 – 4 – 5) have separate foci and when a soul is ready, they move to the 6th level to learn/practice integration of the prior lessons.

When the WR or WI come to the 3rd level, usually as an STO exercise, they still have lessons to learn… one of which is how hard it is to get ideas past 3rd density beings who  want proof, evidence they can touch or see. Sometimes the lesson is to learn that some of them cannot be helped or taught. Sometimes the lesson is in letting the river flow – souls will have to experience everything (even if you would save them from pain) in order to learn.

BTW, healers have to learn that not all illnesses are healable, nor are they to remove the illness w/o the patient learning, accepting and overcoming the cause of the illness.  The illness may be a way of getting that soul’s attention so that they begin to search for healing – which means seeking answers and a change in attitude (energy), and a re-alignment of self with Self, the One. When the soul has gotten the ‘message’ from their illness, internalized the ‘lesson’ it brought, the illness usually disappears – its purpose is done. Irresponsibly (too quickly)  removing a person’s ‘lessons’ means you now have karmic ties to be resolved with that person… not only will they be revisited with their illness, but you as the ‘meddling’ healer also need a lesson.

The trick is to know (inner vision again) when to attempt a healing and when to just pray for them or give them info that will serve them. (A great book on this is Carolyn Myss’ book Why People Don’t Heal and How They Can.  She is a documented, proven medical intuitive.)

Back to the WR/WI issue.

These souls come here to serve. But the way they get here is different:

WR  -- born into the body, goes thru the veil of forgetting and the trick is to try and ‘wake up’ – to remember what you came here for. You feel like you don’t belong here, sometimes have dreams of flying or of your past world,  and typically have allergies to this negative planet. Some are here to ‘anchor the Light’ and others are here to teach, some are here to transmute negativity for others. Many WRs are what we would call aliens – not of the human soul group. Being born into the body gives them the need to learn to master the body  before initiating their mission. Too many in this group do not wake up.

WI  --  not born into the body; they swap places with an adult in the body who wants out. (There are good WI and bad WI by the way, as with the WR group.) Most are of the human soul group and have mastered the body before… They also come to help, but get to bypass the veil of forgetting and usually just have to master the exiting soul’s issues before getting on with their own agenda. There is usually a divorce if the WI comes into an existing marriage, and that is usually due to a major personality change. In addition, WIs have a hard time with memories… there usually are missing segments of memory, and if the WI hears a favorite song that used to evoke nostalgia, the WI will recognize the song but there will be no emotional link to it. Many of them change their names and adopt their walk-in date as their new birthday. 

Both WR and WI come in with knowledge that they just know and cannot explain. To them, things are obvious that a 3rd level soul cannot fathom. Both WR and WI can intuit things and have an inner way of knowing things that is not available to the 3rd level soul.
This is a major trait of both WR and WI.

Both WR and WI need to ‘wake up’ – even the WI can assume they are the same person they always were because the swap is often ‘seamless’ and the WI is not always aware that it happened… more and more the WI is being left with a dream or some reminder that s/he is not who they think they are.

There is no such thing as an angel taking over a human body in this way – the angelic group can appear as a human, but usually does not keep up this appearance. Angels serving the Darkness DO invade and possess if they can – Charles Manson, Richard Ramirez, Anton LaVey for example. (Hitler was not possessed, just greatly deceived and he used to wake up screaming during the night as his dreams were getting to him. He and Himmler dealt with the occult and when you open that door, anything can happen.)

When a WI comes into a 3rd density body, there is usually a pre-swap period where the two souls swap in and out of the body, to help the incoming soul adjust. What is rough is coming into a 3rd density body from the more refined 6th level, and if the Masters who assist with these matters deem necessary, they will make changes to the body to accommodate some of the energy of the WI. If the body is not adapted, and the WI does not step his energy down, the body can ‘burn out’. It will stress the body and Addison’s Disease can result, or MS, or Fibromyalgia… depends on where the weakness is.
Similar to divers ascending/descending in the ocean.

So the WR/WI once awake, has 2 problems to resolve:

1.  How do I make a positive difference in this world w/o sounding crazy 
     or worse yet –  building a group of followers who get in the way and
     have endless questions and sometimes endless needs?
and
2.  How far can I go in teaching, assisting, healing, etc before somebody
     gets wise and spots me?  More specifically, how do I protect myself
     from the PTB and 4th level STS who see me and what I’m doing?
     Their agenda is to stop me.

Some WR/WI don’t wake up, others get caught up in the pleasures of this world, others get caught in the density of low, entraining vibrations, and still others get into situations where they are rendered ineffective (cannot serve) because they have been discredited, etc. At that point, another WI may be sent with the ability to overcome what the first WI couldn’t – remember, WIs are not perfect, they don’t walk on water, they don’t have all the answers, and they sometimes make mistakes and get screwed over by the 4th level STS group.

Often, a WI gets their point-of-view tested: some think that knowledge is the answer and if enough of it is given to the 3rd level souls, they can and will straighten themselves out. Just because a WI knows more, are people any more likely to listen and accept because they are told? Many times, it looks like the WI is trying to “teach the sheep to dance", or worse yet, trying to “push the river" – and this is a lesson for the WI/WR.

There is an inherent ego trap in being a “bringer of Light" – it sounds so STO. Good, huh?  But some STO become STS when the soul pushes ideas or agendas that really serve that soul’s idea of how things should be. Even really good ideas imposed on others is STS. In short, inappropriate STO becomes STS. And that is the problem with earth: there is very little STO… even the best of people here are STO-candidates for 4th.

And there are STO and STS souls in 4th and 5th, less in 6th. 

So how does a WR/WI wake up?  This is one of the reasons for writing this – someone may see it who may have the beginnings of a ‘wake up call’.  Once a WR/WI accepts that they may be such, the awakening process can begin. As long as they don’t know what they are, or remain resistant to the idea, the person is asleep and cannot wake up. A choice to not wake up is a choice to sleep and is honored by the Higher Powers, but results in a failed mission. Efforts will be made by one’s guides, but the resistant soul who is asleep is doomed to fail.

And there are times when the WI/WR, even if awake, realizes the difficulty of the job, the heavy odds and oppression against him/her, and sometimes the WR/WI leaves. This is not an easy planet. There are times when the constant negativity (that’s what WR/WIs are here to fight), constant resistance, and personal attacks make the job so distasteful that there are a few WIs that I know of who have quit teaching/helping/healing, and while they do hold the Light, they aren’t doing anything else. Demoralization is a BIG issue.

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I say all of that to say that the soul born into this body was a Wanderer. I call him OJ. He did not wake up and fulfill his mission to be a metaphysical minister, write books, and generally help shepherd people into a better world. He was different, though: high IQ, extremely sharp 5 senses, sensitive to energy in a room and people, and intuitive.

He was approached in Feb 1987 to walk-out. He didn’t. Instead he and the potential WI took turns in and out of the body for 11 years: different personalities, different agendas, different energy. This appeared to be schizophrenia to everyone around him. This also stressed the body and by 1997 developed into a stress disease: Addisons Disease. It was so bad, OJ was given 3 years to live… the cortisol count was an 8 on a scale of 5 – 30. So he took his retirement money and went and traveled and did some things he had always wanted to do. Why not.

Along the way, in October 1998, on the way to Arizona, he was visited in the motel room after he had turned in for the night. A typical Walk-in scenario: the current occupant is either dying or wants out. There was a very vivid dream that night, about me descending a beautiful staircase from the 6th level in the starry night sky, coming down to a more and more dense and grayish 3rd level world,  and entering thru the head of someone lying there. And a few other dreams of body DNA and energy manipulation.  Then 3 days of unusual euphoria and spaciness.

That started a 7 year period wherein I was aware of the Walk-in scenario but would not buy it – I didn’t want to be weird… which was OJ’s  programming and was very hard to overcome (which is why I just woke up in January this year – concurrent with being on the new timeline?). I was led in 2001 to a healer who instantly cured me and the irony is there is no more money for retirement, but I have never been healthier… so I will live longer… with no money. (Someone has a sense of humor.)

What has happened is that I wind up with this alternate way of knowing things for which I have no evidence. I do enjoy finding books and websites that ‘ring’ true and will cite those if I can.  It is information that just comes up from within. (And I know what the enemy sounds like and have asked for that to be blocked. It has been.) I have also found that when I concentrate and visualize, I can do things that OJ couldn’t (including see auras), and I know things that he used to wonder about. There are many times when things are obvious to me and if I say that, it bugs others to whom things are not obvious.

So, I am considering saying nothing. I’m not sure telling does any good. People are as they are and with so few years left now, I don’t know that they can make significant leaps in awareness (or soul growth) just because I’d tell them something – even if they believed me. 

I am not here to specifically teach, nor to do what OJ didn’t do – the time is short and there was a time for what he could have done, but not now. I am more here to anchor the Light (and one other function that I am not sharing as I am still exploring it). I do not know everything about everything; I have an area of ‘expertise’ similar to OJ’s  and that is metaphysics, spirituality and personal growth, with some healing/nutrition/energy aspects. My job is to anchor the Light and let it do the work.

It doesn’t matter whether this is funny or believable to you. I present it for what it is worth – some said they’d like an explanation. This is it. It is the only one I have. I am the one who has to live with it and sometimes I wonder what I have gotten into… I cannot see the future but I know that something big is headed our collective way... and with the enmeshing of  myself (ignorantly before waking up) into the 3rd level engrams and memes,  habits and attitudes, I may not be making it thru any ‘ascension’ and have wondered if I am to restart with those who get recycled… maybe with recycling, you keep the vibration level of your soul, but go thru the veil of forgetting and start again… or maybe I’ll recycle as a someone who can guide them? Someone they can ‘dis’? … is this part of some training? (I am not in touch with whatever I agreed to before I came here. There are some things I cannot see or intuit for my own protection.)

I have not stayed pure and centered in any 6th level awareness – and that is not possible in this 3rd level, anyway. Getting enmeshed with 3rd level vibrations causes a ‘fall’ from the higher awareness. I was warned about that – if I ‘fell’ too far before waking up, I would have to answer for any problems I caused, or karma that I had gotten into anew! (There are risks associated with this venture.) That is why it is a SACRIFICE and why a couple of WIs that I know stay away from people so as not to jeopardize their work or their return to ‘home’. I may not have time to do anything now but straighten myself out, and make sure I’m not locking myself into this timeline too deeply by focusing on the problems and frustrations of this level. There is a trap: we came here to help and it seems logical to look for the error/darkness/injustice and fight it…but this just enmeshes us in this timeline’s drama.

It is not about the individual actions of any one WR/WI – it seems to be a collective effort, to bring Light. I am nobody. And there really is no ‘fight’ with Darkness – just as when you turn on a lightswitch in a room at night, the light didn’t fight back the darkness, or overcome it. It just showed up and the darkness left.

Sobeit. Namaste.

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2 Reply by wandering1 (edited by wandering1 2006-03-23 01:41:03)

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Thanks Zarg.  So you see yourself as a Walk-In.  Very interesting.

Zarg wrote:

What is so important to see, and I don’t think Montgomery emphasized this, is that the 6th is not better than the 3rd, nor is ALL known, nor are they ALL loving… there are a lot of souls in the 4 – 5 – 6 range that have Light and are STS. In addition, people tend to assume that the ‘higher’ one goes, the more they have it together and thus the ‘better’ they are. Not so. The 6th is not higher – it is right here, just phase-shifted out of view.

Yes.  Good points.


Zarg wrote:

When the WR or WI come to the 3rd level, usually as an STO exercise, they still have lessons to learn… one of which is how hard it is to get ideas past 3rd density beings who  want proof, evidence they can touch or see. Sometimes the lesson is to learn that some of them cannot be helped or taught. Sometimes the lesson is in letting the river flow – souls will have to experience everything (even if you would save them from pain) in order to learn.

Yes, I have come across these situations.


Zarg wrote:

Some are here to ‘anchor the Light’ and others are here to teach, some are here to transmute negativity for others.

I think that “anchoring the Light"  is a core mission that may be shared by many wanderers/walk-Ins.  Here is a link to a reading that refers to wanderers:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=466


Zarg wrote:

Both WR and WI need to ‘wake up’

Yes, it seems so.  If more people 'wake up' then the unfolding scenarios may happen much more smoothly.  However, as you state in your post, sometimes we may just "let the river flow" and realize that some people are going to 'wake up', others are not, that that's ok.

Zarg wrote:

So the WR/WI once awake, has 2 problems to resolve:

1.  How do I make a positive difference in this world w/o sounding crazy 
     or worse yet –  building a group of followers who get in the way and
     have endless questions and sometimes endless needs?
and
2.  How far can I go in teaching, assisting, healing, etc before somebody
     gets wise and spots me?  More specifically, how do I protect myself
     from the PTB and 4th level STS who see me and what I’m doing?
     Their agenda is to stop me.

Extremely well put – in my opinion.

Zarg wrote:

There is an inherent ego trap in being a “bringer of Light" – it sounds so STO. Good, huh?  But some STO become STS when the soul pushes ideas or agendas that really serve that soul’s idea of how things should be. Even really good ideas imposed on others is STS. In short, inappropriate STO becomes STS.

Yes.  Again, well put.

Zarg wrote:

This is not an easy planet.

I think that this simple idea is something that is helpful to remember from time to time.

Zarg wrote:

It doesn’t matter whether this is funny or believable to you. I present it for what it is worth – some said they’d like an explanation. This is it. It is the only one I have.

Not so funny – except in the sense of isn’t the universe funny in that some things sound outlandish when compared to more “mainstream" views?

I think in terms of possibilities – and this falls in the realm of possibility – in fact is quite consistent with several sources of printed information that I resonate with.

Zarg wrote:

I cannot see the future but I know that something big is headed our collective way...

Please continue to share your thoughts on this.  Thanks.

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Thanks.  Very effective.

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Clarity, sweet clarity. Thankyou. Please, divulge more, as I feel I am at a turning point and am just in need of a polite shove in the right direction... Some advice, to begin the next phase.

Edit: I could not post this. Something would not allow it, until I shifted my focus, willed it... and it happened. Repeated page errors until that moment, and then I felt things shift.

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I'm kicking down the walls
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Thank you for sharing that Zarg.

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
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Quite interesting Zarg!  I will ponder over this (For whatever my opinnion is worth!).  In the meantime, please continue to share your ideas.

Regards,

Lee

  • Registered: 2005-11-19

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I have only seen smatterings of this subject this last year, until then I have never heard of terms such as these or the indigo terminology flying around. I find it fascinating yes, but more importantly...drawn to it. When Im drawn to things I pick my ears up, much like wildlife on the african plane, when a lion stalks a herd, ya know... the ears just perk up like hmmm, important sounds of survival to pay attention to here.

As you know Zarg I am in the severe range of the illness called Fibromyalgia, it has not only crippled me, but in the evenings when its the worst, I cry to my husband, whose is lover/acting nurse, and in between breaths express its torture, absolute real torture, and physically so tormenting that in the panic of this excruciating pain I admittedly fight against thoughts of suicide and the visions that pop forth of what I could I do to accomplish escape and release from the hell... and then the picture of how to right before the rationality of NO NO NO I said NO!

I think the PTB are actually keeping me from getting relief from the ways of this physical world which could be available to me. I believe that and Im bouncing 2 ideas off myself of why, one is that in this tortured state I cannot make a difference for anyone or why Im here- and continue the waking process, and the second is the tortured physical state Im in may be to help me get up to the mountain top that I reached in the waking process, and its twofold- a test and /or a great push (which I cant empahasize enough) to force my movement forward from where I stood.

I say stood because the physical torture of this illness did indeed stop me in my tracks and literally lifted me out of not only my journey, but also out of the realm of light the journey exists in and left me suffering where you know your in the dark, alone and indeed helpless to the torture you are being subjected to.

Lately I am starting to think I brought it on myself, that I broke some universal law and am paying for it by the rules, and those allowed to torment and torture have me to have at it as allowed, and Im paying dues. Not sure, alot of thoughts sane and insane ramble through the mind of that within a tortured existence.

One thing I have been chewing on in the past couple months is  stuff I read in the Apocrypha, in the Pistis Sophia books where Jesus speaks of the twins saviors etc. There is so many interesting things to consider in those writings that I can see how the PTB kept it from the public and why it has been discredited by the church, it certainly is miles from the chains of religious bondage teaching we are most exposed to.

In His explanation to his Apostles, Jesus described the different realms (my words describing the levels he described) of reality, and when you wrote "I have not stayed pure and centered in any 6th level awareness – and that is not possible in this 3rd level, anyway. Getting enmeshed with 3rd level vibrations causes a ‘fall’ from the higher awareness. I was warned about that – if I ‘fell’ too far before waking up, I would have to answer for any problems I caused, or karma that I had gotten into anew! (There are risks associated with this venture.) That is why it is a SACRIFICE and why a couple of WIs that I know stay away from people so as not to jeopardize their work or their return to ‘home’. " The word Sacrafice instantly stabbed at my heart like the word whispered in my hearts ears "remember"...

Something about what you wrote and the info within Jesus's words has close relation, and sacrafice is important and may be a little alarm clock for me, it makes me feel on the edge. This is why I love reading what you write and say I and why I want to hear all you hav gained or intuit. Its just one of those things I have already said, ya just know instinctively when your supposed to perk up and listen to certain sounds (words) which should be noted or taken in.

I wish I could describe why I intuit the word Sacrafice is so heavilly associated with what I read in Pistis Sophia, I know this... at least its some much needed food for thought for me, so thanks again Zarg for giving me something outside the periphery of the tortuous existence I am subjected to where I can find moments of relief like this hour of contemplation you have gifted to me.

Love Carrie

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I'm new here as of today and today I find this post first thing.  How appropo.

Zarg, in the first part of your post you very aptly described what it's like to be a wanderer.  It's so good to see that others can relate and share in this esoteric knowledge.  It's VERY hard to find like-minded souls that actually understand and can wisely discuss these things.  Most just parrot what they've been told and you can tell those people from the ones that actually DO know.  It goes back to the "wheat/chaffe" thing and the "by their works" thing.  Simply  put, like knows like.  I'd like very much to meet you and just sit and stare into your eyes.  There'd be no need for words, I think.

blessings

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QuantumSurfer --  you might want to look at my post today under Health responding to the QiGong thread. 

In addition, there is another type of 'entity' here (besides Walk-Ins, Wanderers, Placeholders, and Gatekeepers) and Carolyn Myss speaks of this type in her Why People Don't Heal book... There are some souls here who are in a 'training' of sorts: they experience a lot of negativity and prejudice, etc and there is no karma for it. They often ask 'Why me?' but according to Carolyn (who is a medical intuitive) they are unaware of their function -- which is to take on the (excess) negativity for others when it could be too much for them.

Negative energy and NTFs (negative thought forms) must go somewhere and can aggregate and cause more trouble if not 'transmuted'. It appears to be the 'job' of these special souls to be more than an empath -- they actually absorb and 'offload' others around them so that the negativity/NTFs do not overwhelm people... this does not apparently interfere with people's karmic/script lessons.

A related concept is that of Tolle in his NOW book (chapter 2) -- he calls it the Pain Body, but the description is clearly that of an NTF.

This is not 'vicarious' suffering as each person is responsible for what s/he has created, but these Transducing Empaths take on the excess of other people and the society they live in so that a negative overload (and accompanying discharge/explosion) does not result.

Something to think about...

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Oh my, I have so many times in the most recent past said how I not only intuit but actually have had the ability to experience feelings of those around me, whether it be attitude, pain, etc. I even foolishly in a bout of heroic naiveté offered up to wherever to "give me the pain, if it means no more suffering give me the pain", I cant remember what prompted such a prayer, but I know I have more empathy and other souls pain has always been felt so deeply by me its as if its my own.

I have many folks who know me state thier astonishment of how accurately I peg people, whether its thier persona, feelings, pain, attitude, etc. Its not all that astonishing for me, I find people are open books easilly read, very rarely am I off the mark. I especially pick up pain, whether physical, psychological, or emotional. Its like they wear it on them and Im reading it. For this I am so very understanding of them; thier motives, insecurities, actions, decisions, etc, these also are openly visible to me. I have many times just sat quietly by myself and watched people walk by and knew each and every soul who past my line of vision, they were each and everyone of them an open book.

Here more recently I can feel things on a collective level, and I started noticing I was reacting to collective conscious. It was an effort on my part to normalise myself and not feel a constant state of confusion, displacement, detatchment. I was still struggling with that when I started up that mountain I was on whilst I was walking in that beacon of light, and then BLAM...I fell down in this pain, everything got dark around me, and I am absolutely crippled within it. Even now writing I am fearing what I will endure a few hours from now in my knowledge of what symptoms Im experiencing this very moment in its hourly progression. I Can barely lift my head up to read what Im typing on the screen from the intense pain, and my body is already started to scream its throbbing antidotes at me, and worse of all its just as much of a mental fight knowing what is coming, fearing its arrival, and the utter helplessness to stopping what is inevitably going to be my reality very soon.

Im going to read the post you suggested, as far as the books go, if I cant find them in endless searches for them free online they wont be read by me, lol. All our small financial resources are for absolute nessecities which is cost of staying afloat and my medical which we have no insurance so trust me we save for every appointment. Maybe some other entity is specifically to help entities that may possibly be NTF's and they keep them pain free and strong doing thier job, maybe thats what I should be seeking right now lol.

Anyway thanks for your effort, going to hit other thread b4 I cant sit any longer. Not sure if I should thankyou for peaking my interest there or poke you in the eyeball with my finger because you sparked my curiousity and made me sit past a safe amount of up time which will undoubtedly be making me reconcile for later. lol

Thanks...CJ

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Zarg you are WI, hummm...
So I have to say “Klaatu Barada Nikto" for you smile

Interesting descriptions you give, WI/WR stuff are
more clear now, thanks.

BTW, I see no logical in a soul already graduated
to be recycled…

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Pictus --  you're safe, I left my robot and UFO at home!  lol

As for having 'already graduated' and getting recycled, I hope you're right, but if I engage in, indulge in, and otherwise immerse myself in 3rd level density, before waking up, AND screw up karmically -- that is the sacrifice. I may wind up NOT returning to homebase.... since 3rd level karma has to be cleared before going on to 4th or 5th or 6th.... minor detail there. hmm

So I guess if I have to stay here, maybe I'll move to Brazil....

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Wandering1 -- thanks for the reference to the Wilcox article -- I'll read it tonite. I'm still trying to understand this aspect.

* * * *

OK, I'm back, I read it... very interesting and a lot of it rings true. There is a lot of discomfort in the awakening, as was said. It was particularly upsetting to see what happened to the original occupant of this body-- his WR mission failed, both he and the wanna-be WI (who originally showed up 2/87) were gracefully removed 10/26/98. I didn't know that until just recently, because I wasn't waking up either, and apparently the message had to be driven home. Strangely that seems to have come with the timeline change -- I am still seeing evidence of things that are different... and I see back over on the TL thread, others are noting it, too.

Anyway, your post said  'This awakening can be very difficult.... There is the feeling that life will never truly be resolved on Earth...' which is exactly what I have been feeling... so why bother. Perhaps the lesson for me was that I needed to see that I cannot really do anything... just experience whatever is going on... and 'allow yourself a grace period.'

Have you learned anything profound beyond that posting of August 2004? Have you been able to resolve any issues, share any deep insights...? Have you been able to adjust any better to the 3rd level vibes?

Thanks for sharing that.

Namaste.

Il faut tout voir de la hauteur de 40,000 pieds.
  • From: Brazil
  • Registered: 2006-02-11

Re: Walk-In or Wanderer?

Zarg, karma is a complex thing, not possible to understand
the whole picture when we still veiled.

More I understand, more I am impressed by the trickeries
the lizzies do to any of us in this world, starting with our
own bodies(DNA)
The Star Wars episode 2 and 3 gives a good view what they
do, like manipulation of both sides(all sides) and getting us
by our own fears and lack of faith.

About Brazil, here it is very bad to work, slave country
just work no money…
Anyway Bahia state is a better place, full of a strong good
energy, delicious food, beautiful nature and good spiritually !
Maybe there is no other place with a better energy than Bahia !!

Bye, Pictus

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15 Reply by wandering1 (edited by wandering1 2006-03-23 20:18:51)

  • Registered: 2004-04-01

Re: Walk-In or Wanderer?

Zarg wrote:

Have you learned anything profound beyond that posting of August 2004? Have you been able to resolve any issues, share any deep insights...? Have you been able to adjust any better to the 3rd level vibes?

Thanks for sharing that.

Namaste.

Excellent questions.  The reading was from March 15, 2004 (and I posted it in August of 2004).  During the couple years and months leading up to that, I was actively seeking people that I could communicate with on the type of topics found on this forum.  People who are as fascinated with considering unconventional ideas as I am.  People who use logic and intuition to map sets of possibilities for what may be happening on this planet.

In late March, I found www.montalk.net.  I found the site by searching on “4th density"  and “Harry Potter: Introduction to 4th Density?" was one of the top results in Google (and it still is now). I then found Noble Realms and started posting in early April.  So, I’ve been interacting here for almost two years and it has been very helpful and interesting.  For example, there were about 40 registered users when I started posting and now there are 894 and growing.  That rate of growth interests me.

As you may have already seen, I like to emphasize possibilities.  At times, I have learned when speaking with people who are not open to these types of topics, sometimes a great deal of fear and resistance is brought to the surface in the person I am speaking with.  So I tend to be more careful now in how I bring up these issues.

I read a good amount.  I see myself as a researcher.  I have the outline of a book written.  My idea is to take the types of ideas discussed here and provide an accessible introduction and overview.  I somehow feel that events in the outer world have not passed quite far enough outside the range of normalcy and it is a little too early for me to finish and promote my book.  I feel too much resistance right now.

I think that with the coming changes, there will be openings in what some people who are closer to the mainstream are willing to consider.  I do not insist that what I write is true.  I am fine if people think of it as science fiction.  I guess I’ve developed something of a defensive posture due to resistance that I have already experienced.  I look for ways to lessen the blows that people who are new to this may feel when learning about a previously unfamiliar worldview.

So, I like the phrases “Follow your passion"  and “Follow your bliss."  This is because that is a way to tap into what each of us wants to do on a soul level.   It’s just that while doing so, I find it helpful to keep up with all the day to day things of living (cleaning, organizing, making money, paying bills). 

On that part about "life not being resolved" I feel and intuit a possibility for great joy and love.  The types of feelings that are called religious or spiritual experiences.  I feel that these are possible.  And yet, these are not the stuff of current day to day life.  They may be the stuff of higher densities.  It could be residual memories. I do feel an acceleration.  If the theories turn out to be accurate, then we may be heading into a higher vibrational zone.  So that's a hopeful thought.

Also, when I have pain or difficulty, I imagine how that looks from a soul perspective.  From that view, I think it is a learning experience.  I think that living with integrity is very important and that is a core part of spiritual protection - I may start a thread on that.  Also, I developed a saying: "I ask for protection, guidance, and assistance." I direct this request to "higher self, service to others, service to all." I add "free will limits please" to make sure that the request is to the max and then I end with "thanks."

If you're in the rough and tumble of planet Earth, you might as well ask for all the help you can get - that's how I see it.

So yes, I do feel better adjusted.

Thanks for asking.