1 (edited by dreamosis 2006-03-18 20:23:08)

Topic: Levels of Dreaming

Over at saltcube.com (http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/cha … jsp?t=8597) there's an intriguing post about levels of dreaming.

I've come to recognize at least three levels of dreams: (1) a level in which you're processing the energies associated with the broad present-time; (2) nightmares--a level at which you're stuck in a problem or maybe stuck in somebody else's problem; (3) the level at which you explore the astral and begin test-driving new ideas or future events.

The above saltcube poster talks about six levels.  In short: (1) purgative/processing; (2) problem-solving; (3) a learning level, in which you attend dream classes or workshops; (4) an apprenticeship level, in which you're personally helped by your guide or higher self; (5) a simulation level, in which the dream environment is controlled in order to help you reach a specific knowledge; (6) a training program level, in which you enter a series of graded, controlled simulations over a period of time.

The most fascinating part of the post is the idea that lucidity may interfere with a simulation and cause you to awaken.  The simulation may be programmed in such a way that lucidity (from the body/brain/lower mind) will derail the program.

From personal experience, I think Negs mess mostly with the first few levels of dreaming.  They try to stop the purgative process or the problem-solving process, so that your dream self can't pass into higher, creative endeavors.  Mostly, though, I think human beings do a good job at keeping themselves from higher, creative dreaming.

But in regards to the higher levels (3+), there could be an intersection there with the common reports from abductions.  Don't abductees commonly report either attending classes, watching simulations, or being asked to teach hybrid children?

I've only ever had one "teaching" dream.  I was led by strange authorities to a class full of young teens and was expected to teach.  I didn't know what to teach.  And at that point I became lucid in the dream and left the classroom, feeling awkward.  Nobody objected that I remember.  The classroom and facility was all very bright and clean and weird.

I believe our higher selves/guides do run simulations with us.  But I don't rule out the possibility that one's dream consciousness could be lured into a simulation designed to harvest loosh from him or her.  ...I can't think of a dream right away that matches that theory, though.  Dreams that I might label as "simulations" had a positive feel. 

...Okay, wait, I can think of one that was way negative: I was with a dream character, waiting for an elevator.  The elevator doors opened, but the elevator wasn't there.  I decided to jump down.  It was a few feet down to the bottom of the shaft--where I was going.  To my surprise, the dream character didn't follow me, but stood watching me with an odd grin from above.  The doors closed.
To that moment I became lucid, knowing that that character was a Neg.  I was in pitch blackness. I broke through the shaft space into a low basement.  I could hear creep laughing and feel...creepiness.  I tried every technique I knew to wake myself up, but nothing worked.  I couldn't wake up.  I was stuck in the dream, groping around in the dank black.  I tried to calm myself, but the being was doing a helluva job at scaring me.  I tried to dream a new dream.  Nothing doing.  I tried to break through the wall.  I couldn't.  I told myself I could create light in the dream.  I tried and tried.  Nothing.  Finally, I manifested a weak, like, 10-watt lightbulb.  Then I woke up.

Maybe that was a controlled simulation directed by my higher self to teach me how to stay calm and manifest in dreams, but something tells me no.  It was definitely a controlled dreamspace, though, because it's ordinarily relatively easy for me to break through walls or wake up with lucid dreams.

So where are the lines regarding freewill with negative dream simulations?  The question of freewill seems clear-cut with manipulation: you don't have to accept the vibes they spit at you, just as you don't have to accept the bad vibes from a pissed-off dude at the grocery store.  If you have sufficient awareness, you can dodge or vent the vibes; if you don't, then your freewill isn't being violated (you can't really will or not-will something that's happening without your notice).

But a controlled, negative simulation--especially in the event of lucidity--brings up some big questions regarding freewill.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.