1 Topic by visavis (edited by visavis 2006-02-01 12:09:00)

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Topic: About mainsteam Christianity - its true pitfalls (imo)

After being encouraged by a friend, posted below are some personal thoughts in an open reply:

a friend wrote to me:
>Be alert, while having "stuff happen" like what you describe is
>surely interesting and you're probably finding the fact that it's
>real to be exciting, the important point is that some unknown force
>is doing things to you without your consent (right?)   If you've
>somehow given your ok for it, than you may be fair game for farming
>by higher powers that you know nothing about.   Be very careful else
>you get fleeced ... or eaten.

Yea I know a reasonable amount anyways, about how one could give 'access' to themselves without even knowing it.  Good insight though.  I try to keep myself protected, and am doing the light-color visualizations that silverfox posted about, a few weeks ago.  I'm learning to keep my energy in.  sometimes i say to ppl, in my head, "no, you can't have my energy.  i ask though that you would received energy from the Divine source."

It's difficult to keep yourself protected whilst coming from a mainstream Christian background, which -- while it teaches about spirtual warfare etc -- encourages give oneself up to Jesus... ie the so-often said prayer "God take control of my life."  The problem is, does one in that position really know God?  Do they know that they ARE a spark of the Divine?  I would suggest they do not, otherwise they would not be feeling SOOO helpless (which most Christians do.  Sorry, I come from that background.  I know how twisted it can get.  No disrespect.) 

The problem is, when one says "God, take control of my life / body / actions," one is REALLY not congicantly aware of all the stuff in the realms that one is opening themselves up to.  ESPECIALLY when most churches are full of unnecessary religious and even luciferian / freemason DOGMA which can really mess stuff up.  One can easily get cluttered etherically, in this fashion. 

One time, in June of 2004, I was at a "holy spirit revival" deal put on the the local "fire in the belly" evangelist.  (This evangelist, of huge reputation with the kids, is open in his book with his declaration that he had a near death experience -- from which he emerged a "new" person, "on fire for God".  Hmm.)  Anyways, there was some really weird stuff going on for those 4 days, people rolling on the ground and roaring and the 'guest speakers' getting in your head psychically and people wobbing/flailing around on stage, I was skeptical but I really wanted change in my life, so I allowed my spirit to be submissive to, and 'accept' most of what was going on.

I got the guy's book, when he said, "who wants this book? first one up here gets it!" so I was closeby and got it.  I read the book.  A week later I had a uber-realistic dream experience, where I was dreaming that I was sleeping, lying on my stomach, and a female NEGative spirit was hovering above me.  She/it tried to get access via my left ear/neck, then bit me in the ass, literally.  Wouldn't you know it! -- since then that's been a trouble area for me physically.  I'm still a fairly young man and that area was never a problem EVER, before.  I am still requiring healing in this area and am working on it.  (Sitting for 10 hours a day doesn't help.)

So - people have to be aware, in my opinion, of what they are getting into when they are involved in bs like this, and frankly in most churches.  What Jesus originally spoke, pretty much ALL of it has either been a) twisted in the texts, or b) completely ignored by his "church".  What a shame.

"Even the very elect shall be deceived." 

Don't give yourself up and choose to be a weaking, and think it 'godly' or something.  Please trust me, I've fully been on that road.  If you choose to do so by your free will, you will make yourself 'open' and vulnerable to entities which you could not at this stage in your evolution even imagine, and oftentimes be depressed (most irresponsible Christians these days are manic depressive at times), and wonder why God is ignoring you.  He/It is not, you are ignoring your responsibility.  The church is not what it purports to be.

-Visavis

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

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Re: About mainsteam Christianity - its true pitfalls (imo)

What Jesus originally spoke, pretty much ALL of it has either been a) twisted in the texts, or b) completely ignored by his "church".  What a shame.

I'm not sure if it's been twisted in the texts or if most people have a hard time understanding what's really being said. Let's face it, most of us are not fluent in the king's english. Add to that, anyone who's spent a lifetime of Sundays in church has already heard a lot of other people's intrepretation of the meaning before they read it for themselves.  It's interesting what you said about reading the preacher's book. Can't cast out demons if nobody's possesed lol!

Even the very elect shall be deceived

I think Jesus said that" even the very elect will be decieved, if that were possible" suggesting that it isn't.

The problem is, when one says "God, take control of my life / body / actions," one is REALLY not congicantly aware of all the stuff in the realms that one is opening themselves up to.

Yes, no doubt, how many gods are there anyway? Whose God? What god? Where the hell shall I trod.

Don't give yourself up and choose to be a weaking, and think it 'godly' or something.  Please trust me, I've fully been on that road.  If you choose to do so by your free will, you will make yourself 'open' and vulnerable to entities which you could not at this stage in your evolution even imagine, and oftentimes be depressed (most irresponsible Christians these days are manic depressive at times), and wonder why God is ignoring you.  He/It is not, you are ignoring your responsibility.  The church is not what it purports to be.

I agree, it's a common mistake to confuse the words humble and wimpy. Sorry you're having these bad experiences but at least you seem to be learning from them .  Peace!

3 Reply by morningsun76 (edited by morningsun76 2006-02-01 15:47:15)

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Re: About mainsteam Christianity - its true pitfalls (imo)

seemefly wrote:

What Jesus originally spoke, pretty much ALL of it has either been a) twisted in the texts, or b) completely ignored by his "church".  What a shame.

I'm not sure if it's been twisted in the texts or if most people have a hard time understanding what's really being said. Let's face it, most of us are not fluent in the king's english.

It's been twisted in the texts.   The important point here though is that the twisting occured before and during the translations to English.   So the misinterpretations are not a matter of whether one understands the English correctly.      There is an overwhelming amount of research on this subject.  Here is one interesting example from the introduction to William Harwood's book Mythology's Last Gods:

Harwood wrote:

Although English Bibles were consulted for comparison purposes, most of Mythology's Last Gods is based on the original-language bibles mentioned in the bibliography.  Biblical quotations are from my The Judaeo-Christian Bible Fully Translated ... The reason this translation was necessary is that all existing translations contain so many deliberate falsifications, designed to perpetuate the pretence that biblical authors believed the same things as modern religions, as to be worthless.  As an obvious example, all English language bibles render ha-elohiym as 'God,' when the correct translation is the generic plural, 'the gods.'  Also, most falsify the proper name, Yahweh, into 'the LORD.'  And where existing translations gloss over Yahweh's atrocities by couching them in the most positive euphemisms, I chose synonyms that drive home the true nature of Yahweh's actions.  Thus, where the New American Bible has 'You will rout them utterly until they are annihilated,' my translation reads, 'You're going to exterminate them in a massive genocide until they're eliminated.'

One of my teachers highly recommends The Companion Bible for it's extensive research notes on every page (example).   I've looked in many bookstores, some which have big bible sections, and have yet to find one store that carries this particular bible.   Makes me wonder.

4 Reply by seemefly (edited by seemefly 2006-02-01 16:29:27)

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Re: About mainsteam Christianity - its true pitfalls (imo)

morningsun76 wrote:

It's been twisted in the texts.   The important point here though is that the twisting occured before and during the translations to English.   So the misinterpretations are not a matter of whether one understands the English correctly.      There is an overwhelming amount of research on this subject.  .

I'm sure some of it has been twisted , however one of the things that interested me in this website is that many times , while reading Montalk's articles, I could have put in a quote from Jesus that would back up what he was saying. I don't know if I just got a different interpretation than others because I was wholeheartedly seeking the truth . I have a very differant view of what Jesus meant from most professing Christians I know. I respect the reasearch, not trying to argue, just giving my own personal experience here. Didn't mean to offend anyone.  Sorry about the spelling, I'm in a hurry Peace


added later -  What I meant about the king's english is that I am American and most people that I know have read The Bible in King James Version, which is a syle of English not well studied here by the majority of people.  Sorry, I should have made myself more understandable . I spend most of my time talking to children and don't write well. It can be difficult for me to switch gears sometimes. Thanks for the links!