1 (edited by tenetnosce 2005-09-30 06:57:04)

Topic: Dare I say. . . relationship?

I can't help but notice that the huge hole in discussion topics here at NR happens to coincide with the huge hole in most lives of Wanderers. . . namely relationships.

Let's face it.  Is there anybody who wouldn't want to be in a relationship with another person who truly and deeply loves and understands them, down to even the physical level?

Why do you suppose it is so difficult to find a relationship that harmoniously reflects the most basic and natural impulse in a human being?

Why do you suppose that for all the intending and requesting, all the tools of consciousness, all the sheer awareness, it seems that when it comes to Love (and I mean the personal kind here, folks)  the doors are shut, locked, bolted, and barred?

I used to fear that kind of love.  I used to think that I would get trapped by it. Sucked into the life of marriage and kids.  Driving around in an SUV and wistfully dreaming about my days of freedom.  Now I understand that isn't the only way.

Now I understand that I am not the only one in the world like me.  There are others.  Tens if not hundreds of thousands who live in the world like me.  People who know there's more to life than their job and the television.  People who can talk about the kinds of things that we talk about here on NR and still function in the everyday world.  People who want to travel to the jungles of South America, or the deserts of Africa, or the mountains of Tibet, and see how the people there live their lives. 

Now I think about how powerful an experience like that could be when shared with another person. . . and how even more lonesome it would be to go through that alone.  I'm tired of alone.  I'm starting to think this whole journey was pointless from the moment I decided I needed to do it alone.  Just another form of control.

Any thoughts?

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

2 (edited by lyra 2005-09-30 07:39:22)

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While this is an interesting topic I have to ask - why assume that this is the case with "wanderers" here at NR?   wink

Just because people don't mention a relationship doesn't mean they don't have one!  smile   I know that there are a few here at NR who have significant others, myself included. 

But again, this is a good topic, because even though many may be in a relationship......it doesn't mean that the person they're dating / married to is necessarily on the same page.  In fact, in regards to some from NR who I know are in relationships, I can tell from what I've heard / read that their partners are indeed, NOT on the same page, and it HAS created lots of problems in their relationship.   

Some are willing to sacrifice and date / be married to someone who isn't into these topics and who doesn't believe in them;   others are not, and would rather be alone than to go through that headache.  I'm in the latter category, but luckily did find someone who's on the same page you could say.  wink    "It's better to be alone for the right reasons than to be with someone for the wrong reasons" is a good motto I think. 

tenetnosce wrote:

Why do you suppose that for all the intending and requesting, all the tools of consciousness, all the sheer awareness, it seems that when it comes to Love (and I mean the personal kind here, folks)  the doors are shut, locked, bolted, and barred?

They're not!   Requesting / intending / manifesting works for relationships as well.   But you truly have to be ready when you ask.  No doubts, no lingering second thoughts.   In September 2001 I was at that point where I was finally ready.   It had been a year and a half since I'd broken up with my ex, and I wanted time off to recuperate, 'cause he truly left me on "E", empty, like a gas tank.  I was coasting on fumes after dealing with him!  big_smile   And in that year and a half, I had time to recuperate and get my energy back, settle back in.....find myself some like to call it.   And then one night I thought, You know.........I'm ready!  I want to find a guy!  And I mentally went through a checklist of some of the important traits I was looking for.   

My mindset was open, relaxed, musing, while simultaneously requesting, but with NO worries, or doubts or anything negative to "cancel things out" --  I can't explain how it felt, but I wish I could, because it's the mindset that works in regards to reality manifestation.

And within two weeks, boom!   I had crossed paths with this person, and four years later, you know, here we are!  smile 

So my piece of advise would be what I outlined above.  If you're truly ready and want to find that special someone then just ask!  smile  Think about what you'd like, be relaxed about it, not anxious and all agitated like, "I HAVE TO FIND SOMEONE!!  I HAVE TO FIND SOMEONE!!"   Desparation is never a good thing.   Just request and be open.  Then put it on the backburner.   Don't go around looking imploringly at every "potential candidate" after that!   Just relax!   It will happen.  Reality will line up and you WILL cross paths with them when the time is right.

Of course, coughcough hint hint coughcough it could GREATLY help matters if you know, Ayahuasca decided to resume plans to create that spiritual dating website he was thinking about before so that spiritual / metaphysical people who are into alternative interests could meet others like themselves. COUGH COUGH.  HINT HINT.   big_smile big_smile big_smile   Sorry Ayahuasca, had to throw that in there because as soon as I read the opening post in this thread I thought of that!   Don't get mad!   smile   Personally, I think it's a great idea, and it's something that could really help people.   But no pressure or anything!  haha

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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3 (edited by tenetnosce 2005-09-30 08:28:02)

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lyra wrote:

While this is an interesting topic I have to ask - why assume that this is the case with "wanderers" here at NR?

Well that would (obviously) be an incorrect assumption.  And I'm delighted to hear, so soon even, that some people here have compatible partners.

Let me speak a bit from my own personal experience. 

In my own case, I felt that I was in that place of readiness, and I did attract a woman whom I thought I was highly compatible with.  We shared some incredible experiences together.  We really enjoyed each other's company, had a ton of fun together, and I really felt like there was mutual understanding.

I am a healer and a physician, and it has been a dream of mine to spend time with indigineous cultures around the planet and learn how they practice healing/medicine.  One day I'd like to set up an organization that takes groups of people on trips like this.

So I finally meet a person who sees past the illusions of every day life.  She loves to take pictures and paint.  She's telling me she wants to make documentaries and learn how to play the drums.  Truly a free spirit like me. . and so damn cute too! 

Well about a month into going back to school, she pops up and says this isn't what she wants, she's not ready for a love like this, she wants to be alone, etc.  Well obviously I can't control that, and if that's how she feels who am I to argue with it?  (OK well I did argue a little bit) 

And, no, I wasn't putting the pressure on her to make any decisions or committments, or force her into anything at all.  In my opinion, she got to the point where she would either have to come clean with her parents and friends about what she really wanted to do with her life, or get rid of the person who is saying "Go for it!"

The thing is I'm just left kind of scratching my head.  I'm not suicidally depressed or desperate or thinking I'll never find somebody else or any of that kind of pity-party stuff. 

I'm just thinking well. . WTF was that all about?

I mean, how clear does my intention need to be?  Umm. . yes I'd like to meet somebody who doesn't think marriage and kids is the end-point of life. . . and who wants to be in a healthy, loving, supportive relationship. . .and who doesn't have unresolved traumas to work through. . . and who has compatible dreams as mine. . . and oh yeah. . I want her to actually be ready to participate in them?  Can anybody "up there" give me the benefit of the doubt here?

The thing is I'm pretty much used to manifesting what I want in life with little difficulty.  It just seems in the realm of relationships I keep getting this "close but no cigar" result. All of the elements are present, they are just scattered amongst different individuals. 

I can't help but feel like there is something very simple here that I am missing.

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

4 (edited by Ayahuasca 2005-09-30 08:16:28)

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lyra wrote:

Sorry Ayahuasca, had to throw that in there because as soon as I read the opening post in this thread I thought of that!   Don't get mad!  smile  smile   Personally, I think it's a great idea, and it's something that could really help people.   But no pressure or anything!  haha

OK! A guy can take a hint! hehe

Anyway, as I mentioned briefly in the dating thread, the dating site is still sort of going to happen, it just won't be a site that is exclusively about love and dating.

What we're planning on doing is turning Holistic Local into a social networking site for holistic/spiritually minded people. This could be ready within 2 months, but we'll see smile

Anyway, put the pressure on Neomatrix, he's the one that's got to program it all. Tell him to get his ass in gear. You hear that Neo? Lyra wants spiritual dating and she wants it now!!

Andy

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lyra wrote:

Of course, coughcough hint hint coughcough it could GREATLY help matters if you know, Ayahuasca decided to resume plans to create that spiritual dating website he was thinking about before so that spiritual / metaphysical people who are into alternative interests could meet others like themselves. COUGH COUGH.  HINT HINT.   big_smile big_smile big_smile   Sorry Ayahuasca, had to throw that in there because as soon as I read the opening post in this thread I thought of that!   Don't get mad!   smile   Personally, I think it's a great idea, and it's something that could really help people.   But no pressure or anything!  haha

Actually, that's kinda the next item on our list for our Holistic Local site (details of which are in the business and economy section). Whilst it won't be specifically for dating, what we plan on doing is offering a public membership (alongside of our existing professional/business membership) that enables people to post their details, and then search for other people in their area that have similar interests and contact them. This could then possibly lead to friendships or relationships. We'll probably have an early version out within the next month or so.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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Ayahuasca wrote:

Anyway, put the pressure on Neomatrix, he's the one that's got to program it all. Tell him to get his ass in gear. You hear that Neo? Lyra wants spiritual dating and she wants it now!!

You know what they say about all good things ;-)

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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tenetnosce[/quote wrote:

I'm just thinking well. . WTF was that all about?

I mean, how clear does my intention need to be?  Umm. . yes I'd like to meet somebody with compatible intentions. . . and oh yeah. . I want her to actually be ready to participate in them?  Can anybody "up there" give me the benefit of the doubt here?

The thing is I'm pretty much used to manifesting what I want in life with little difficulty.  It just seems in the realm of relationships I keep getting this "close but no cigar" result. All of the elements are present, they are just scattered amongst different individuals. 

I can't help but feel like there is something very simple here that I am missing.

I can't say with certainty what's going on in your case, I can only take a stab at guessing.   Possibly consider the following maybe, I don't know:

- Anytime you're thinking about what sort of relationship you'd like, or during those times when you're actively requesting, make sure to include the part about "long term", like you mentioned in your post.  Details help.   When I did my request, I didn't even know about reality manifestion and wasn't consciously trying to do anything, but I did include some very important details...............

I wanted a guy with NO ex wives.  NO KIDS.  No "baggage."   This means he'll most likely be a couple of years younger than me, and that's totally fine, because I don't look or act my age anyway, so shoot, it's all good!  big_smile   And I wanted a guy who was open to a long term relationship.  Not one of those 6 week whirlwind dealies..................but someone who wasn't all about "getting married, having kids, the house in suburbia, the minivans and SUV's, shuttling kids to soccer practice" and that horrible HORRIBLE lifestyle that I avoid like the plague.    I was looking to settle into a nice relationship - without marriage and kids - with someone who was compatible, and had certain personality traits.  And that's exactly what I got, everything I thought about in my checklist! 

So maybe try and make sure to include more details in your request / intents, based on what you've discovered....?  You have to wade through relationships that don't work to learn and discover what you want and don't want and to figure out what to ask for.    All "negative" situations have their plus positive side!  smile


Ayahuasca wrote:

Anyway, put the pressure on Neomatrix, he's the one that's got to program it all. Tell him to get his ass in gear.

big_smile  haha!   That cracked me up, thanks for the laugh.  big_smile   


Ayahuasca wrote:

You hear that Neo? Lyra wants spiritual dating and she wants it now!!

Well, not for me, but for those out there who are alone, and navigating the cold cruel world...alone.  Key word being of course.....ALONE.     wink   (like that added drama?   maybe it'll help put pressure on Neo...;)  hehe)     I like your expanded social networking idea though, that sounds pretty cool.  Lots of people would sign up for that in a second, I'm sure.

Alright, just saw Neomatrix's post....good idea!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: Dare I say. . . relationship?

tenetnosce wrote:

The thing is I'm just left kind of scratching my head.  I'm not suicidally depressed or desperate or thinking I'll never find somebody else or any of that kind of pity-party stuff.

I'm just thinking well. . WTF was that all about?

The thing is I'm pretty much used to manifesting what I want in life with little difficulty.  It just seems in the realm of relationships I keep getting this "close but no cigar" result. All of the elements are present, they are just scattered amongst different individuals. 

I can't help but feel like there is something very simple here that I am missing.

Dude, I can totally relate to everything you're saying. I've been in a similar situation for longer than I care to remember and have had quite a few 'close but no cigar' experiences of my own. I know how annoying it can be when you finally meet someone you can relate to, and you think "wow, so this is the girl I've been waiting for all my life!" and then you find she doesn't feel the same way....D'oh!!!

But my philosophy is don't ever let it get you down, and don't compromise yourself for the sake of being in a relationship. I think one of the most important lessons to learn in life is to love yourself and be happy on your own. That certainly doesn't mean you should aim to be alone or prefer to be alone, but so long as you're happy with who you are then that's what matters the most. Everything else is secondary.

I definitely would love to experience a relationship with someone that's truly on my wavelength, but I know that if it never happens I won't consider myself a failure. In some ways I actually consider myself a success that I'm almost 30, I've been single most of my life, and I'm pretty damn happy! But maybe I'm just weird! hmm

Andy

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Yes, love yourself, be happy on your own.  I'm another of those Wanderers who is without an intimate love relationship.  But, I am close to my
son (yes, I had a relationship long enough to make a baby) and that helps a lot.

I recall that Tobias was asked quite a few times by people who attended the Crimson Circle channelings, about why they were unsuccessful in forming long-lasting relationships, and he said that it would have been a distraction on their path.  I do believe there is a purpose in everything so I can buy that. 

He also said that trying to pull someone else into your life to make it more comfortable was a very Old Energy thing.  Still contempating that one.

Here's something from the new Q & A at Crimson Circle:

QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 11 (from the Internet, read by Linda): Is it possible to learn to love yourself completely without outside input, or without seeing yourself from another’s eyes? My own opinion is that it is extremely difficult if not impossible to do. I am addressing this question to you because you report that you did this in the story you shared about being trapped in the crystal and eventually getting out. In other words, you learned to love yourself from inside the box. And, I am still incredulous when I hear this. Any comments?

[...]

TOBIAS: You can ONLY learn to love yourself through yourself. You can never learn to love yourself through others, through the outside, because it will always, always be a false reflection. You can only learn it from within.

I confess though, that I haven't given up on the possibility of meeting a compatible guy.  In fact, I just connected with someone new who seems promising, we'll see how it goes!

10 (edited by lyra 2005-09-30 11:41:54)

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Jen wrote:

I recall that Tobias was asked quite a few times by people who attended the Crimson Circle channelings, about why they were unsuccessful in forming long-lasting relationships, and he said that it would have been a distraction on their path.

I thought of something else after I logged off earlier and went back about my business, and this quote reminded me of it. 

A more "sinister" aspect of why us "weirdos" often times can't seem to find a partner or maintain a relationship of length versus all them "normal" people is because often times, we're abductees.  And any abductee is going to have interference and manipulation in their lives....and ESPECIALLY in the relationship department.

I'd venture as far as to say that many NR members are ongoing abductees, whether they consciously realize it or not.  It's why we find ourselves gravitating to this material in the first place, why we find ourselves landing on Montalk.net, why we read the books that we read, visit the websites we visit, don't fit in with others, march to a beat of our own drummer, feel like "outsiders", "aliens", and why we're always searching.   

Back in 2001 or so I had the very clear realization one day that "I only end up dating who I'm *allowed* to date."  That went through my mind before I even fully realized the implications of what I was thinking.

So many "flirtations" as I call them wink that I'd been in involved in never got off the ground.  The guy liked me.   I clearly liked him................he's single..................I'm single...............so why isn't it "happening" ?   

"I only end up dating who I'm allowed to date..."

Who's doing the allowing here?  Who's the one calling the shots?   Because if I'd had MY way, those flirtations would have amounted to something.  But they didn't.   Why?

I'll go ahead and answer the question, but, it's the abductors, whoever "they" are.  Be it alien or MILAB (military abductions), of which the latter often involve both alien and human as well as hybrids.

If you're an abductee, no matter what the capacity, then it's pretty safe to assume that your love life is being controlled.    Some have this control more than others.   

In retrospect, when I look back on my past relationships, I haven't had many, and whoever I did date wasn't your usual frat boy beer guzzling sports watching "average dude."   They were strange situations with unusual people, often riddled with paranormal happenings.  And in retrospect, they seemed to be HIGHLY orchestrated.

Just some food for thought for everybody to chew on...

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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11 (edited by tenetnosce 2005-09-30 14:29:04)

Re: Dare I say. . . relationship?

lyra wrote:

A more "sinister" aspect of why us "weirdos" often times can't seem to find a partner or maintain a relationship of length versus all them "normal" people is because often times, we're abductees.  And any abductee is going to have interference and manipulation in their lives....and ESPECIALLY in the relationship department.

Well I gotta bite on that one.  Maybe I'll come back later and provide more details. . . but suffice it to say for right now that what you're talking about could very well to quite possibly be what's going on.  I've learned enough about life to sense when something smacks of manipulation. 

I've always figured that giving that scenario any more attention would just make things worse.  But let's assume for a moment that it is happening.  What now?  Intending and manifesting go out the door?  Sorry dude, better luck next life?

It kind of sounds like you are saying, you can have whatever you want, unless you are an abductee, then you can only have what *they* will let you have.

Sorry, but I'd rather end my contract with physical life than continue in a sick and twisted contract with some alien or military force.  I want to love and to be loved.  That is my right as a spirit of God.  Does that count for anything? 

When does the manipulation end?  How does it end?  Surely this can't go on forever.

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

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Ayahuasca wrote:

But maybe I'm just weird! hmm

Aye :-)

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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tenetnosce wrote:

Well I gotta bite on that one.  Maybe I'll come back later and provide more details. . . but suffice it to say for right now that what you're talking about could very well to quite possibly be what's going on.  I've learned enough about life to sense when something smacks of manipulation.

Yeah, it's actually probably a lot more widespread than most people realize.  I recommend reading up on alien / abduction material that specifically delves into the relationships aspect of things (if you're an abductee, and you think it might pertain to you...)  Eve Lorgen is one good source to look at.  She wrote a book called "The Alien Love Bite", and also has a website.  I know there are other sources as well.



tenetnosce wrote:

I've always figured that giving that scenario any more attention would just make things worse.  But let's assume for a moment that it is happening.  What now?  Intending and manifesting go out the door?  Sorry dude, better luck next life?  It kind of sounds like you are saying, you can have whatever you want, unless you are an abductee, then you can only have what *they* will let you have.

No, I don't necessarily think so.  It's a bit tricky.  But first I have to clarify that just because something is happening to me, or something is a certain way for me, doesn't mean it's the situation for you.  And vice versa.   But I do believe in one generalized across-the-board concept though, that if one is an abductee than all aspects of their lives are going to be touched...including relationships.  ESPECIALLY relationships.  Depending on who your abductors are, there are going to be different areas of focus.  Some "aliens" are apparantly absolutely OBSESSED with the workings of human sexual relations, not only to feed off of, but just out of fascination in general.   Other aliens supposedly have specific breeding programs in mind and don't really give much of a hoot about the actual process of procreation.  They only care about what genes and DNA are going where.   When it comes to MILABS, I can't fully say what the deal is there.  I can only speak for myself.  And I've come away with the impression and the thought that I can only date "who I'm allowed to date."  I don't know if this is true...but it went through my mind.   So who knows. 

To give an idea.......................my last major boyfriend before my current one, which was back in California, had a Dad who was NSA.    Not former NSA.   Current NSA.   His job was an engineer of some sort working on nucleur weapons.  That was back in the 80's.  I don't know what they had him doing in the 90's.   But at the time I was with him I didn't know what the f*** the NSA was.  big_smile  Seriously.  whoosh, over MY head.   NS what??  Never heard of it.  But my boyfriend's family even lived in Rockville Maryland for a yaar during a time when the Dad was transferred to their headquarters facility.  By the end of our so-called relationship, I began to realize that my boyfriend literally had split personalities.  Not only did he have splits, but by the end he was experiencing entire black outs / memory holes and gaps.   Entire sections of his life, missing.   Again, I had NO knowledge of mind control and programmed multiples and MILABS / government abductions and what they do to their personnel and their families.  I just knew...........this guy is seriously MESSED UP.   But by then the relationship was dead in the water anyway, so it didn't matter.   When my brother arrived in California and met him he realized within the first week that my boyfriend had split alters.  It took me three years to fully see it and comprehend it.  He saw it within a week.  But that's because I had zero background knowledge on this.  Anyway, long story short, several years later when I finally learned about this stuff I realized....the odds of me (and what I've got going on) being involved with him, a guy with split personalities and a Dad who's NSA is absolutely astronomical.   I mean, seriously..........what the HELL??   Then my Dad informed me back in 2002 that when he was in the Navy, he didn't report to the Navy, but rather........the NSA.   And I heard the sound of "CLICK" going in my brain.  ding ding ding.  Things clicking into place.   Ahhhh. NOW I get it, I thought.   Both of our Dads are / were NSA.   wink  wink  wink   Got it.   I just know too that after we broke up and I went maybe 2 or 3 weeks or so without seeing him, then I saw him again, it was fricking SURREAL being face to face with him.  It was like looking at a stranger, the ground felt like it dropped out from under me when I saw him again, like, "oh - my - god -----WHY WAS I WITH HIM????"  3 1/2 years of dating......................and I felt like he was a complete and total stranger to me. 

Programming.  And now that I was away, the programming was fading.  I'd never experienced that with any other ex.  I won't get into the theories of why I was programmed to be with him, it's not important, but I just wanted to give one particular example.



tenetnosce wrote:

Sorry, but I'd rather end my contract with physical life than continue in a sick and twisted contract with some alien or military force.  I want to love and to be loved.  That is my right as a spirit of God.  Does that count for anything?

It does.  It totally absolutely does.   I just know that the relationship I just outlined was a learning lesson for me, and I use it as a gauge now.   There were a lot of warning signs and major intuitive nudges throughout the entire time I was with him trying to let me know something was wrong and off, but I didn't listen.

I listen now.   I make sure to carefully watch for any of those signs.   I'd rather be alone than go through that.   

I think too that whole "allow" thing can also have a positive aspect to it.......not being allowed to be with someone unless I'm already linked to them on a higher (positive) level.   It doesn't have to all be negative manipulation by aliens and military people.   The one example I just cited is an example of a negative manipulation.   But there are positive sides to things too.   We're not all just victims of neferous forces.   We have our higher selves in the mix as well, who are looking out for us and offering protection, intervention, and getting us to cross paths with others that are on our level and good for us.(whichis what I believe / know my current situation to be.  I've had several things confirm this.)      So cheer up!   smile  Seriously, don't worry.   It's not all terrible.  This IS good out there, doing its thing.   All I can advise for anybody who thinks they might have something like this going on in is to  A)  Do the research;  learn about the signs and symptoms, to make sure you even qualify.  I mean, no sense in getting worried and worked up if that's not even what's happening to ya, right?   And B)  Carefully moniter your relationships.  Be watchful, that's all.  Listen to what your intuition is telling you, monitor your thoughts, feelings and actions, and theirs as well.   On the one hand it REALLY sucks if only one person is aware.  It means the other is liable to get tossed around on the waves of life, a victim to anything that wants to work through them or use them.     So it really REALLY helps to find people who are aware and on the level...........or at least open to learning about these things if they're not currently up to speed.   

I don't have a pat answer to end this on a totally 100% happy note, because this side topic isn't all positive.   It is what it is.  We can only be aware.   It's the only weapon we have.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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tenetnosce wrote:

I want to love and to be loved.  That is my right as a spirit of God.

...I'm not sure loving is a "right" per se.  I don't know--that statement just doesn't register with me.  I guess I would say that loving is a choice that can be made, rather than a right that is either granted us or not granted us.  To call it a right seems to imply a control from above.

I read your post and I could feel your hurt in it...

tenetnosce wrote:

I want to love and to be loved.

...Is there a bonafide obstacle to you loving right now?  Loving the woman you love?  Or is it that you just don't wish to feel the love you feel for her because the love you want back isn't forthcoming from her in the way you want it? 

Can anyone exact a guarantee of being loved back?  I want to be loved, too.  I want to love and to be loved, but, well...you know.  Love cannot be forced. 

Love her.  Don't not love her because she isn't matching you (if you feel she isn't).  That doesn't mean fight, fight, fight, it just means...let your feelings flow despite the noisy cloying of the ego.

She loves you back.  Or she did.  She doesn't/didn't love you, maybe, exactly as you would've wished it, but she gave what she felt she could give.

There is nothing stopping you from loving, except yourself, except the expectation of a reward.  But love is a giving.  It cannot just be had.  It is one of the highest states of consciousness, and as such, it cannot be "acquired"...it must be given away first.

I don't mean to be overbold...I just feel very certain about this.  Love has nothing to do with the self...  On the lower levels, yes.  But a personal love--between X/Y. Y/Y, X/X, it matters not--a love that is rooted in a passionate appreciation of each other and is noumenal as well as phenomenal, that type of love is given and not gotten. 

And you have it to give.  Give it.  Forget about payback...Do you really want/expect a payment for your love?

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

15 (edited by Jen 2005-09-30 20:51:17)

Re: Dare I say. . . relationship?

In our society, love relationships are often viewed as a bartering system.
If you give me this, I'll give you that.   Beautiful young woman with rich older man is a common example.  And unconditional love is something most people have heard of, but when it comes to a relationship, few can conceive of genuinely loving someone who doesn't return that love in some tangible fashion.

I've known men who were interested in an intimate relationship with me and when I made it clear that was not what I wanted, they just gave up.
I often thought that it was possible I could eventually fall in love with a man whose "love" was not contingent on its being returned exactly when and how he thought it should be--who was interested in being friends, in getting to know me as a person.

Here's a quote I like on the subject of loving and being loved, from the book, The Jason Journal (channeled from Jason):

Q:  Many people who read this may sometimes feel a seeming lack of love in their own lives. Do you have a message for them?

Jason: Yes. Love exists and passes continually through this physical reality. There are those who in their state of perfection are generating true love throughout this physical reality. It is possible, as one moves more and more into the fullness of his own perfection, to experience the benefit of this love without, in fact, knowing its origin. The reception of love begins within the receiver of the vibration which, as the vibration intensifies, draws that receiver into more levels or situations of availability to love, not only from those unknown transmitters,  but from those with whom the manifestation is involved.

Love, when set in motion, not only assists, but also creates mobility
to draw from other sources and also begins the process of releasing that
love which is contained within the receiver.

Q: So in order to find love, we must first be that love that we are looking for.

Jason:  And so it becomes the "chicken or the egg" proposition. Let it be sufficient to know that at this time love is being transmitted, that it creates in the receiver the ability to be open to the reception of more love, and that it draws into itself that which is to be released again.