Topic: AIDS

Just found a short but well-written article on the lies surrounding AIDS:

http://www.shaketheanthill.net/AboutAIDS

This is also interesting:

They brought the bio-weapon Aspartame with them in 1945 and this is now marketed as an artificial sweetener. Aspartame was responsible for neurological damage to thousands of people. 40 000 soldiers were killed by an "experiment" with a cocktail of Aspartame and the Anthrax vaccine now proved to react tragically with each other. (Only 17 men were killed in combat during the Gulf War). Yet the anthrax vaccine is about to be made mandatory in the US, for all citizens, whose immune system is already under attack with large doses of the "sweetener" Aspartame, used in most "soft drinks" such as Coca Cola and many cheap junk foods.

Re: AIDS

Re AIDS:  Another good book to read about AIDS is called "Inventing the AIDS Virus".  HIGHLY recommend this one.  (do a search on amazon.com)   Basically, AIDS isn't a "virus", bottom line, and HIV certainly doesn't "cause" AIDS.   And the author proves just as much in this book.   Fully one half of the book is reference sources, to cite every single fact he throws out there.   This book will change everything you thought you knew and understood about HIV and AIDS.

Re Anthrax:   Now THAT'S a scary thought, mandatory vaccines.  At this point, I don't see it happening, because there's too many people, and too many would protest and revolt against anything forced on them like that.  BUT....if it does happen sometime down the line, just keep in mind everybody..............money talks.   I don't think we'd have trouble finding someone administering vaccines who would take a little money slipped their way.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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http://www.boydgraves.com/news/050204.html

USA - Officials within the National Cancer Institutes have recovered several rare virus development documents created by the formerly secret U.S. Special Virus Program. The recovered virus development documents date back as early as 1965 and were uncovered as a result of an ongoing Freedom of Information Act lawsuit for the full review and disclosure of the U.S. Special Virus program, led by AIDS activist Dr. Boyd E. Graves.

“We now see U.S. Special Virus reports one through seven were not completely destroyed,“? Graves said. “They are going to work with us next week and for that I am grateful.“?

The U.S. Special Virus development program issued annual progress reports to key administrators to track the program’s process of developing what the progress reports call the government’s ‘special’ or ‘candidate virus.’

Formerly believed by Dr. Graves and other medical researchers to have been destroyed as part of a government cover-up effort in the 1970’s, the newly recovered U.S. Special Virus progress reports are expected to shed new light into the consequences of the program and help researchers better understand decades of “missing medical history.“?

            Several of the latter U.S. Special Virus reports exist in limited fashion throughout the public library system and are available for check out via interlibrary loan requests. Dr. Graves’ U.S. Special Virus research collection has been scanned to offer the public reproductions of these rare journals in print or CDROM.

            Dr. Graves’ archives many papers related to his judicial activism and the U.S. Special Virus Program research for public review available online at http://www.boydgraves.com

4 (edited by Lakme 2004-10-08 20:32:50)

Re: AIDS

I'm surprised that the whole subject of AIDS has not been discussed at greater length in this forum. 

I'm assuming, and I may be wrong, that most individuals posting here know that HIV is a fairly common retrovirus found in miniscule quantities in almost all of us, and is not the cause of anything, let alone the 27 or so diseases that TPTB have lumped together and called "AIDS"...Acquired Immune Deficiency SYNDROME...that's the key word right there.  This is one incredibly huge HOAX.

It's amazing what 'they' get away with.  It's mind-boggling, really.  I think 'they' view this whole phony AIDS scam that they've promulgated as one of their greatest modern-day "victories" over an overwhelmingly unsuspecting world populace.  It has served as the perfect precurser to SARS, Mad Cow, Avian Bird Flu, and all the rest of their created "epidemics" and phony diseases that they will be hitting us with on a continuous basis from here on in...to get us on their toxic vaccines and drugs, which will in turn make us as sick as any of their contrived "diseases." 

AIDS works for them on so many levels; It demonizes homosexuals in the western world, along with creating fear, hate and divisiveness among the general public; promotes fear about sexuality in general; pumps untold billions of dollars in their pockets through the illuminati-controlled pharmaceutical industry and medical establishment, whose drugs actually induce their "AIDS"; and helps to depopulate the entire African continent, a real and deliberate holocaust if there ever was one. 

In Africa, millions are suffering from widespread starvation, exposure to toxic chemicals, general malnutrition, unclean water, and malaria, among other diseases, and all these conditions are officially declared as "AIDS"...They simply label it AIDS, and then none of the problems have to be addressed or rectified.  How perfect.  Better that they die -- which, of course, is the idea -- and then label it AIDS... depopulation on the grandest of scales.

HIV/AIDS HIV/AIDS HIV/AIDS -- It's part of the culture...repeated and repeated again and again, irreversibly intertwined in the public's mind....it stands as one of their most effective and deadly mass mind-control operations of the current time period.

There are so many informative websites out there about the Myth of HIV and AIDS, but I find this one to be particularly enlightening and straight-forward -

http://aliveandwell.org/

DJ

5 (edited by lyra 2004-10-08 19:45:07)

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Lakme wrote:

I'm surprised that the whole subject of AIDS has not been discussed at greater length in this forum. 

I'm assuming, and I may be wrong, that most individuals posting here know that HIV is a fairly common retrovirus found in miniscule quantities in almost all of us, and is not the cause of anything, let alone the 27 or so diseases that TPTB have lumped together and called AIDS...Acquired Immune Deficiency SYNDROME...that's the key word right there.  One incredibly huge HOAX.

It's amazing what 'they' get away with.  It's mind-boggling really.  I think 'they' view this whole phony AIDS scam that they've promulgated as one of their greatest modern-day "victories" over an overwhelmingly unsuspecting world populace.  It has served as the perfect precurser to SARS, Mad Cow, Avian Bird Flu, and all the rest of their created "epidemics" and phony diseases that they will be hitting us with on a continuous basis from here on in...to get us on their toxic vaccines and drugs, which will in turn make us as sick as their contrived diseases. 

AIDS works for them on so many levels; It demonizes homosexuals in the western world, along with creating fear, hate and divisiveness; promotes fear about sexuality in general; pumps untold billions of dollars in their pockets through the illuminati-controlled pharmaceutical industry and medical establishment, whose drugs actually induce their "AIDS"; and helps to depopulate the entire African continent, a real and deliberate holocaust if there ever was one. 

In Africa, millions are suffering from widespread starvation, exposure to toxic chemicals, general malnutrition, unclean water, and malaria, among other diseases, and all these conditions are officially declared as "AIDS"...They simply label it AIDS, and then none of the problems have to be addressed or rectified.  How perfect.  Better that they die -- which, of course, is the idea -- and then label it AIDS.  Depopulation on the grandest of scales.

HIV/AIDS HIV/AIDS HIV/AIDS -- It's part of the culture...repeated and repeated again and again, irreversibly intertwined in the public's mind....it stands as one of their most effective and deadly mass mind-control operations of the current time period.


Hi Lakme, great post!   What's weird is yesterday I was thinking about the subject of AIDS again, and the book I mentioned above called "Inventing the AIDS Virus", and I thought about starting a new thread about the subject.   I forgot this thread had already been started awhile ago, so thanks for resurrecting it!    You make excellent points though, most of which are covered in the book.  Especially the part about how TPTB, or in this case, I believe the Center for Disease Control (CDC) has lumped several dozen ailments under the same umbrella name of "AIDS".   

Another major point covered in the book is what exactly AIDS is, if it's not a "virus" as claimed.   The author postulates that AIDS is immune system failure, brought on by a number of possibilities, but most often......severe drug abuse.

Starting with the Homosexual male population, one of the biggest groups of people out there who are contracting this "communicable disease."  What goes hand in hand in with the gay male lifestyle often times?   Mucho drug use.   In the book, one interesting case is cited concerning a group of 10 male homosexual friends who were out on the gay scene back in the early 80's, partying and sleeping around, having numerous promiscuous one night stands, doing the bath houses....and lots and lots of drugs.   Only one of those guys out of the 10 held off on the drugs, and just did all the rest, including unprotected promiscuous sex.   Years later, he was the **only** one of the 10 who still hadn't "caught" AIDS.   He was HIV positive.....but did not have AIDS, and was doing fine.   All the other either had AIDS, or had already died from it.

Now let's look at "AIDS babies."    Are they really "AIDS babies" or crack babies?   Every single AIDS baby out there comes from a mother who was doing drugs while she was pregnant.   These kids are born experiencing severe crack / heroin withdrawals, under weight, and with the impaired immune system that goes it. 

Since reading this book I began REALLY paying attention now any time I hear about someone out there who has "AIDS."    And check THIS out:   Last year in Florida I was reading a story in the Sun Sentinel about some gay guy who had AIDS.   Knowing what I know now from reading the book, I was thinking, "I bet ANYTHING he did drugs."   SURE ENOUGH.....3/4 of the way down in the article he started delving into his HUGE drug problem past.   To paraphrase a quote he said, "I would have injected rat poison if someone had given it to me, and I probably did." 

He would have injected rat poison.   And now he has AIDS.   HMMMM.   Did he "catch" the "virus"?  Or did his immune system fail because he inundated his body with the worst of the worst street drugs?   I know someone who's sold drugs, and that's what goes on out there.   The guy in the article mentioned "rat poison" because that's what happens.  People sell roach and rat powder as heroin and crack.  And the hardcore druggies are usually so desparate they don't care.  Then down the line they have AIDS.

When I lived up in Portland during my brief stint up there our next door neighbor had "AIDS."  He was a rail thin older black man, and he was a crack head.   I smelled the crack smoke coming through our vent.  And wouldn't you know....he had AIDS. 

It's a scam, like Lakme says.   In Africa EVERYBODY is diagnosed with "AIDS" because the more people with AIDS, the more $$$$$$$$$$$$ the country gets.   In the book they talk about these "AIDS" clinics in Africa where the Docs drive up to work in their Mercedes, to these well funded clinics that serve the "AIDS" infected populace.   EVERYBODY has AIDS there, didn't you know?  It's this HUGE "epidemic."  Better watch out.   (eye roll.)

I talked about this with my dad awhile back, and he's one of the bezillions out there who just bought what we've all been told, and never questioned it or ever read anything that contradicted the mainstream version of the "truth".   And I told him, "You know what Dad, I'll never "catch" AIDS because I don't do drugs.   If you don't do drugs, you have nothing to worry about."

Remember Ryan White?  The boy who died of "AIDS" in the early 80's, and became the poster child for AIDS?   He didn't have AIDS.  He was a hemophiliac, and he had problems, but they weren't AIDS.    And like Lakme said, what constitute AIDS according to the CDC is a cluster of several different ailments.   It's a list that grows longer and longer with every passing year!!    Most people don't know this.   So, does that sound like a "virus"?  Last time I checked, a virus was an actual organism that could be viewed under a microscope.   

I'll leave you with this for everybody to chew on:  If AIDS was a true communicable Virus, as TPTB claim, then why does it not spread out beyond gay males and ghetto drug addicts?    I'm sorry, but true "VIRUSES" don't limit themselves to special designated groups.  Viruses don't discriminate.   If they did, they wouldn't survive.   Any virus that can infect a human being will do so across gender / race / sexual orientation / lifestyle boundaries.   It will affect ANY human, no matter WHAT your deal is.   If AIDS truly was what "they" are telling us it is, ie, a sexually transmitted "disease",  then just as many upper and middle class non-drug addict people would be running around with AIDS in this world.

But they're not.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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6 (edited by Lakme 2004-11-09 19:53:28)

Re: AIDS

Hi Lyra--

Yes, drugs, "recreational" and those prescribed -- especially in combination -- were/are very instrumental in creating havoc with the immune system.

In fact, AZT (one of the most toxic, cell-killing substances ever prescribed), along with the other current "cocktail drugs" as they call them (believe it or not) that are prescribed by the "Doctors of Death" for so-called "AIDS" have caused more deaths -- and continue to do so -- than whatever actual conditions they are prescribed for.

And yes, I wholeheartedly concur with your statement about the spreading of the "virus."  If this were something caused by a "virus" then we would indeed see a different situation existing...it's so unbelievably silly, and yet it is accepted as truth...I hate to repeat myself, but it's really mind boggling...so easily exposed, and yet....

This is the world we live in...a true "insane asylum!"

Thanks for your always insightful comments.

DJ

7 (edited by Lakme 2004-10-09 11:50:01)

Re: AIDS

By the way, have any of you -- like myself -- tried to enlighten anyone who has tested "HIV positive" about the bogus nature of those so-called HIV tests, and how totally meaningless they truly are?

If you truly desire to know how pervasive and powerful this myth is, just gauge the reaction you get when you present someone with the facts surrounding these so-called "tests"...

Just like everthing else you may present them with in order to open their eyes to "reality," they look at you like you have "4 heads." 

But then they walk into a "Doctor of Death's" office -- perfectly healthy in every way -- are coerced into taking a "HIV TEST" and then test "Positive" and are told that they must begin taking these unbelievably toxic drugs in order to stay alive, because some completely bogus test came up with some completely bogus result, based on a totally bogus THEORY...and you get the picture...

It's a real tragedy -- all of it.

Read AIDS INC, Scandal of the Century by Jon Rappoport, World Without AIDS by Steven Ransom & Philip Day, or What if everything you knew about AIDS WAS WRONG? by Christine Maggiore, to get the truth about this illuminati engineered hoax -- a key part of their mass depopulation agenda.

www.hiddenmysteries.com

www.nomorefakenews.com

www.aliveandwell.org

DJ

8 (edited by ermolai 2004-10-09 02:21:23)

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The problem is that once they get declared as "HIV positive", many people get so much pity from others that they get addicted to it. Then if you tell them that there is no such thing as an "AIDS virus", it's like if you attack the core of their own being... Very difficult to do this tactfully.

I'm in such a situation with a friend but haven't told him about this, he already seems well on the spiritual path and refused to take "medications", which is why he's still alive, but I don't know how he would react if I told him all this was imaginary, a big lie to manipulate us. At the same time, I feel I have come in contact with him for a reason, and it would not be right to withhold this information, no matter how painful the realizations (he has seen many of his friends dying of "AIDS").

Just thinking about this dilemna turns my stomach upside down. sad

Edit: I have a question though... this friend did much drugs in the past. Does it mean then that his immune system is really in danger and so does it make his condition similar to AIDS? Or is it possible that his immune system is now better since he stopped doing drugs long ago? Would colloidal silver solve this possible issue? (I have a generator now)

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Maybe a good way to handle the situation tactfully would be to give him a copy of one of the above mentioned books, or get it to him anonymously.  One way or another so the information is easily available.

I've seen that a number of books are out there on this subject.  Does any one of them in particular stand out above the rest?  I'd like to read up on the subject.  All I know right now is that HIV is the virus and AIDS is defined as any one of various "AIDS-defining illnesses" in an HIV+ person.

10 (edited by lyra 2004-10-09 08:38:36)

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I haven't read any of the other books, morningsun76, just the one I mentioned, but I'm sure they are all great books.   I particularly liked "Inventing the AIDS Virus" (By Peter Deusberg) because he backs up every single claim he makes in the book.   It's very comprehensive, and traces the history of the AIDS "virus" up until present times, and covers every aspect of the subject there is to cover, even things we haven't talked about yet on this thread.   He makes compelling claims.




Some more random tidbits from the book:

- "AIDS", or, immune system failure, exploded in the early 80's.....coincidentally coinciding after over a decade of hard core drug usage amongst many in the population.  Starting in the late 60's, we saw some very hard drugs being introduced onto the streets, and people used them without abandon all through the '70's.   Then wouldn't you know it, come the early 80's, all these same people are reporting immune system failure...after a decade of putting that stuff into their bodies.   

-  The CDC was at a loss to explain to the public what was happening, because they themselves didn't know.   They were being pressured to put a name on this new epidemic ailment, and tell the public *something* in order to pacify them.....is it a virus?  Or is it something else?   They finally decided to choose "virus" at the last minute, and unfortunately, had to stick with that.   Once they told the public "virus" they now had to make everything else fit into that explanation, like pounding square pegs into round holes.

And like Lakme and ermolai said, HIV is NOT linked to AIDS, it's a retrovirus;  and like Lakme said, AZT is also one of the biggest scams of all.   That's covered in depth in the book as well, and Mr. Deusberg cites multiple examples of otherwise healthy people who were convinced to take AZT because they had "HIV!!!"  and were doomed to die of AIDS, and once they agreed, that was it....their health declined and many died.   It was the AZT that made them sick.  Not HIV.   

2 nights ago we watched the movie "Forgotten", the plot of which centers around aliens using humans for one of their psychological "experiments", studying us, playing with us, tampering with our lives with no regard for our feelings, and trying to violate our freewill.   The sad part is, this is really happening, but it's not the "aliens" we need to be worrying about.   It's being done to us by our own.  Misguided activists, corrupt scientists.  They've been toying with the public for over 25 years now, killing thousands of people, lying to us, spreading disinformation, and somebody is probably taking notes on the whole deal, fascinated to see just how much the public can be duped and hoodwinked, how much crap we'll fall for and believe, despite how much time has gone by and how much doesn't add up.   The public still parrots what we've been taught to believe.   Somebody's experiment is going really well, is all I can say!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: AIDS

morningsun76 wrote:

Maybe a good way to handle the situation tactfully would be to give him a copy of one of the above mentioned books, or get it to him anonymously.  One way or another so the information is easily available.

As usual the problem for me is that few information are available in French, and all those people I need to give information don't speak English. So I usually have to put my own words on what I have read. Very challenging for me, to say the least... Anyway I can maybe find some info in French about this, I'll keep my eyes open...

12 (edited by Lakme 2004-10-09 11:17:27)

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ermolai wrote:

As usual the problem for me is that few information are available in French, and all those people I need to give information don't speak English. So I usually have to put my own words on what I have read. Very challenging for me, to say the least... Anyway I can maybe find some info in French about this, I'll keep my eyes open...

Hi ermolai --

I came across this website in FRENCH covering the Myth of HIV and AIDS...this may be helpful to you and those you would like to share it with.

http://www.sidasante.com/

DJ

13 (edited by Lakme 2004-10-09 11:44:57)

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morningsun76 wrote:

I've seen that a number of books are out there on this subject.  Does any one of them in particular stand out above the rest?  I'd like to read up on the subject.  All I know right now is that HIV is the virus and AIDS is defined as any one of various "AIDS-defining illnesses" in an HIV+ person.

Hi Morningsun --

I feel one of the most powerful books on the subject (very straightforward and readable) is the one written by Christine Maggiore -- What If Everything You Thought You Knew about AIDS Was Wrong?

It can be obtained through her website at --  http://www.aliveandwell.org/

...an excellent resource for anyone interested in this subject.

There are other great books and websites out there, some of which have been mentioned earlier.

There evidently is a small documentary film out there (I have not seen it yet) called "The Other Side of AIDS" that is apparently ruffling quite a few feathers among the "AIDS Establishment."

I also see that it's available for puchase on the "Alive and Well" site in VHS or DVD form.

That website --  www.theothersideofaids.com

DJ

Re: AIDS

This is so weird - yet another synchronicity for me today involving the forum.  I was thinking about the other aspect to the whole AIDS debate, which is the claim that AIDS was manufactured in a lab and purposely given to society's "undesirables".    And wouldn't you know, there is a small article that just went up on Rense.com concerning this.   Weird!!    Too many synchs in the past few days.   Anyway, as far as this goes, I don't buy it.  I still hold firm to the idea that AIDS is completely fabricated, and the immune system failure that "AIDS" patients have is the result of mucho drug usage and other lifestyle behaviors that contribute to ill health, because that's where all the evidence is pointing.   Again, if AIDS was a true virus, it wouldn't limit itself to certain target "risk groups."   Viruses don't disciminate.   AIDS behaves nothing like a virus.

But, I wanted to present the "other AIDS conspiracy" for consideration, since it's relevant.  I believe this conspiracy serves to distract from real and true conspiracy.  As always, we're given two choices to choose from when it comes to AIDS:   Either it's exactly what they're telling us it is, so grab yourself a red ribbon and show your support, or, it's a manufactured virus created in a lab as a biological warfare agent so the guv'ment can systematically take out society's "undesirables".   That's it, those are your choices in the mainstream world.   

I'm voting for the hidden third totally fringe theory which is that AIDS is a scam, and doesn't exist!   

Here's the article, enjoy:

http://www.rense.com/general58/hdhi.htm

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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15 (edited by Neomatrix 2004-10-09 23:19:39)

Re: AIDS

lyra wrote:

I'm voting for the hidden third totally fringe theory which is that AIDS is a scam, and doesn't exist!

Of course it's a scam. Like all scams it exists to make phenomenal amounts of money, this time for the corporate healthcare industry behemoths who market the "cure".

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe