Disturbed Reptilian Rock Band (Page 3 of 3)

Although well intentioned Poffo, and with respect to you, that was one very eloquent defence of the 'devil' there.   The fact that you personally are discovering metaphysical concepts and finding inspiration in diverse places, does not to my mind, really credit the metal scene for much.  Whatever spirituality you may have attained is more likely in spite of your vibrational sympathies with heavy metal "music" rather than because of it... notwithstanding the few metaphysical concepts you may have found floating amongst the vibrational sewer of heavy metal sounds.   Nothing personal Poffo.  Here's my own observation of what is going on with it.

It is written somewhere in scripture:   "Fear is the beginning of wisdom"

Obviously fear is not wisdom.  But for some people it can be the beginning of wisdom.  Sometimes, some people, are struck with fear at the first realisation of their true predicament in this world and their relationship with a higher universal power.  Fear of that stark reality can sometimes jolt some people into beginning the path of wisdom.  But obviously, fear is not a vibration one can profitably entertain if one would transcend the "beginning" of wisdom and rise above it into true wisdom... which casts out all fear.  So, in order to become spiritually wise, fear must be transcended.  Same with other negative human emotions of anger, hatred, revenge, rage, etc.  Whatever positive concepts might be found in some Heavy Metal lyrics, they can only be the beginning of KNOWLEDGE and that knowledge must be pursued in non- violent ways if it would lead to spiritual wisdom....(as distinct from mere metaphysical knowledge.)   Using raging, violent metal music as a means to self- realisation is unrealistic and is like lacing your morning carrot juice with poison.  You'll get your vitamin A and D out of it but it might also kill you.  To speak of death in relation to metal music is not far fetched. 

Paraphrased, the New Testament records Mathew 10:28 :

"Do not fear those who can destroy the body but those who destroy the soul"

The energetic essence of the soul can be expressed in higher creativity or it can be poured into the black hole of violence.  Either way, energy is invested in form and the soul is responsible for it.  If violence is chosen, those soulful/spiritual energies will be poured into lower astral forms and remain "dead" (vibrationally trapped) in the lower astral planes until they are redeemed (spiritualised and released) by contact with the inner- christ self.  That cannot happen until the soul forsakes indulgent mental / emotional violence and takes responsibility for the energies so invested.

The real- Self is LIFE.  All energies which vibrate below the level of that christ- self are "dead" and must be resurrected at some stage (from the lower planes} if the soul is to ascend back to spirit.  Any portion of self, crucified in lower forms, must be resurrected before a soul can fully transcend the material planes.  And that of course includes the energies unwisely invested in mental / emotional violence in all it's forms, including heavy metal music.  Reedeeming that energy is a matter of personal responsibility but it cannot happen unless one sees "death" for what it is.  If "death" is indulged because it is attractive and appears like "life", then the higher- Self must wait until the soul percieves clearly, before transmuting / resurrecting "death" energy back into "life".  Otherwise it is like trying to take a pacifier from a baby.  It has to be surrendered willingly by the baby otherwise it is a violation of freewill. 
   

Poffo, your eloquent and passionate defence of heavy metal music was no less an apology for the vibration of death and hell than i might hear from an amphetamine addict, an alchoholic, a heroin junkie, a war loving mercenary, TPTB using the hegelian dialect on the masses etc  etc  etc. 

"Out of conflict, comes granduer".   

Perhaps more accurately paraphrased in your apology:
                                                                                    "Out of (the knowledge of) conflict
                                                                                     (and it's theoretical solutions)
                                                                                      comes granduer (even if that knowledge
                                                                                      is delivered through the self indulgent violence
                                                                                      of heavy metal music)
                                                                                     
If that was true, and if the regurgitation of noble themes could raise a soul, then the vast majority of humanity would now be enlightened and the world would have resolved it's conflicts.  Passion will trump reason anyday.   And that is why the violent passions of the masses are constantly provoked by all means available.  The arts, music, sport, the media, movies, video games, the political polemic etc etc are all programmed with conflict and lashings of violence to keep the darkest passions "alive" in the mass consciousness.   I submit that Heavy Metal 'lovers' are the unwitting victims of that manipulation whether or not they know it.  What they do know of course, is that they enjoy the release of energy under the influence of metal music and that includes the powerful provocation of feelings of anger, dissafection, contempt, revenge, hatred and general raging against... whatever, it matters not.  All that matters is the violence.  And i dare say it wouldn't matter if the world was perfect, the metal genre would be raging against it.  The themes are arbitrary and irrelevant for the purposes of Heavy Metal.  That purpose is the rape of the soul essence from the chakras and the subtle bodies.   That energy is garnered  by astral forces who then use it back against us.  The sense of self empowerment which a metal rager may feel during that bilking, is a complete delusion because, as they say, one cannot successfully fight the fire of hell with the fire of hell.... Hell of course being the dark fury of raging human emotion.

For the moment though, metal 'lovers' are free to enjoy that and to imagine themselves potent.  For the enjoyment of that 'release' they will be karmically accountable and personally responsible for redeeming the energy spilled into the lower astral plane by their activity.   Raging metal music is just one of the many ways of death which bind a soul to the material planes (as described) and for which each soul is accountable.   

In this world, death is made 'sweet' in it's many forms and guises.  Sweet death...  Slow... loved... embraced... admired... defended.

The themes of "freedom and bondage", "gain and loss" "us and them" are constant in this world and are not unique to metal "music".  The mere presentation of these themes has never, nor will ever result in the spiritual freedom of humanity, although they have re- arranged the deckchairs in the titanic movements of history.   Instead, given the forms it has most often taken, (heavy metal being just one modern form) violent passion leads to a mind numbing impotence to effect the real changes that people really long for.  An inner change of vibration will result in internal and external victories.  But metal "music" is a clear and present danger to the fulfillment of that spiritual potential.   The oldest trick in the book has been to blind people by pandering to their base passions.  And it is always so beautifully gift wrapped in some flag or another, flying always high for a 'mighty' cause.   Instead, the constant pandering to gross human emotion (no matter what theme it is wrapped in.... self- dignity, freedom, nationalism, communism or religion, it)  has kept people unenlightened and keeps violence idling for the next "real" confrontation and the next. 

How might the metal head meet violence when it comes?  Like dutiful lemmings they will meet it with all the violent passion now being fuelled by that most obvious enemy to their own enlightenment.... ie... discord, distortion, disharmony, angry dissafection, violent realease of emotional rage and hatred......  None of this is healthy to the spiritual aspirant.  It is poison of the first degree.  Soul murder in the first degree.  That might seem like a joke, because the average metal heads seem very much alive.  All that passionate activity.  So does a supernova before it's gone.  A soul can be fully spent.  I have seen hollowed out dead men in the street pretending to be alive.  That's what i mean by spent.  It can happen in many ways.   

This enemy of inner-peace is so obvious it is too obvious.  The higher- Self is the source of the lifeforce within us by which we accomplish anything in life.  It flows through us and makes thought, feeling word and deed possible.  Our connection to that spiritual flow has been reduced to a trickle until each soul is willing to be lead by the wisdom of the heart.  Then it can expand.   But beyond an idle speed to sustain the basic functions of life, the higher- Self will only release greater light energy to the soul if the soul can defend it in divine harmony.  If a soul, in ignorance, is pouring the light energy down the drain, then the faucet of the lifeforce (from the higher- Self) is reduced as an act of mercy to prevent the soul misqualifying more energy and multiplying it's karmic responsibility (through re- incarnation) to redeem the energies of self, sown in error. 

It is a very wise move by the higher- Self and in fact explains the situation humanity is in today.... mostly severed from the divine flow of creativity from the higher- Self because of ignor-ance.   Each soul is responsible for how light, energy and consciousness is used.  To give a spiritually blind soul an unlimited quotient of spiritual energy would simply empower that soul to multiply it's error.  Without vision (the all seeing eye of the christ mind) the soul would perish, spending itself in lower forms, totally.   We're all free to play life as we see it and i have no motive but to point out a pitfall as i see it on the path to higher consciousness.  No offense intended.

There is good and bad in every avenue, which is why it's so tough to nail things down.  I have to be careful not to be suspicious of everyone and at the same time not to be too quick to accept either, bcuz that  got  me into trouble last year.      The trouble I have discerning in this area is that a lot of avenues of  music, movies, games, etc.,   mix some real truths and good and that's what draws a person in; and then they'll insert something severe.   

With me I don't like Metal but it sounds similar to some classical music, which I don't like either.  When I was a kid I thought that strange disconsant sounding classical was worse than metal.   

I watched the Larry King video  from page 1 and thought it was pretty funny.      I'm not sure I'd use a tongue sticking out in a conversation as a way to measure a reptillian.    When I was with the sickest Dutchman last summer and fall  I found myself sort of wetting my lips with my tongue during conversation.    I haven't done that before or since.    With that as a criteria people would have assumed that I am Reptillian.       
Back to the video....   being an ex-mormon I'd love to say that Mitt Romney is a tail wagger, but I have no proof.  Just because he's in a crazy  Stepford Wives type of religion isn't enough proof.   Larry is married to a mormon but who knows.    He looks like a lizard but that might just be poor luck of the gene pool,  or poor grooming,  or maybe he's only budgeted his wife for cosmetic surgery and he's left out. 

Lenore Lapin,  you and I definitely need to rethink our taste in men.
The Dutchman I was with last year could have been  casted as the  perfect dracula vampire for a movie.   I even nicknamed  him the name of Dracool.  The guy told me he got completely high off my energy.   
remember....  look,   but don't give them your phone number.     
words of wisdom I must abide by. 

Piece of Nothing:
Now,  I wonder what an angry unicorn would look like.   Maybe a whole series of angry unicorns?   

I always used depression for creative fuel, which really is just the underbelly of anger. 
Now that I don't have as much depression I don't have as much creativity - but it's worth it just to be happy.
damn trade-offs.
   Give it a try.  Try creating something out of a joy place.   Make it really intense.
  You might surprise yourself to see what comes out.   
I saw this picture a few months ago and it inspired me in some deep way.   I can't say what emotion the artist created it from but it flows and I like it.  If i could figure out how to put the picture on this page I'd do it.

I've settled on my view for the most part, and that is- music is exactly what you make of it, and I don't even know if I believe a taste for certain music is even a choice we make, or can be made. I'm certainly not locked into one specific genre- neither do I feel the cult or occult push to one specific genre. 

Just like an abstract painting,,you will read into, and take from it what comes from programming, along with genuine soul resonance, and many other facets of life experiences and memory loops. Even lyrics can be ignored.
Much easier of course where there are none.

  J

I agree that metal music is fundamentally about power.  But unless power is weilded under the direction of wisdom and love (in harmony) it is power abused.  The abuse of power is the issue here with metal music.   It is an expression of alchemy to be sure.  That's exactly what i was saying.  But metal music does not accomplish the transmutation of the base metals into gold.  No.   By it's vibration, heavy metal music is a triumph of matter over spirit because it transmutes the gold of spiritual energy into the base metals of discord, distortion disharmony etc.... a recipe for death in the broadest sense because the subtle soul energies are tranformed into grosser forms which become vibrationally trapped in the lower planes.   Although all heavy metal is delineated into sub- genres, it just makes it relative that's all.  Some genres are relatively more or less destructive than others.
 
It may be a generally ignored fact that most of the energy that has poured through us (from spiritual planes) during our many incarnations in materiality has not returned to spiritual planes.  It makes sense too, that all the energy used to imprison souls in the MCS has been provided by ourselves.  If that wasn't so we would not be imprisoned.  Our predicament is our karma for empowering the beast in it's many forms with our own energy.  The matrix is Cosmic justice, it is not a negative overlay cast apon us which is undeserved.  The energy which we've spilled is otherwise supposed to flow freely from spirit into matter and back to spirit again in a natural cycle of unimpeded flow.   Instead, most of that energy has become vibrationally trapped in the lower material planes because it has been stamped with a lower frequency when passing through our 4 lower bodies.  The vibrational content of these subtle bodies and the chakras determines the quality which we stamp upon that flow and whether or not that energy rises or falls in vibration.  That is why so much effort has gone into programming the mind and emotions with unnatural affections.  The traps are set in this world to activate the lower- self to ensure that the energy flowing through us is misqualified at it's inception.

It says in the Book of Revelation:

"And the dragon...................  (the egoistic lower- self and the astral entities that vibrate with it)
stood before the woman...... (the mother energy rising up the spine)
which was ready to be delivered...(of energy expressed as the creativity of the christ-mind)
to devour her child as soon as it was born"...(to misqualify and seize that energy from the subtle
                                                                         bodies and chakras as soon as it is expressed)

Heavy metal music is one manifestation of that ^^^ and illustrates what is happening at inner levels.

As most of us realise, it is literally the consciousness of ourself which has created the anti- self.  It's subtle spiritual energy has been poured down the throats of our own lower- ego, the astral beasts and their physical tools on earth.  No soul trancends the material planes without the fallen self redeemed from it's current forms.  Until that is completed it can be truthfully said that a part of our self is still part of the problem.

The relative powerlessness of human beings incarnate in frail bodies of flesh, with wings clipped severely, is the karma for the abuse of power, wisdom and love over aeons of incarnations.  At this stage, the flame of true identity is greatly diminished, and in many souls, is flickering and dying out.  But you would never know it by observing the lustre of faces shining in the self indulgence of human passion, unless of course you come across those hollowed out people who don't even have the energy left to party.

Hi NM.  It was a "heavy" post wasn't it.  The metal is much heavier though, because : a) yes it is the expression of darker emotions.... and  b) It is a "high" because the powerful forces of unnatural rythym and distortion are forcing the flow of energy from the chakras in an unnatural fashion.  That high can be addictive because many people cannot re-create that high spiritually [without the corruption of sound and rythym] and so metal is chosen habitually as a substitute.  It is therfore not a healthy release for karmic reasons relating to the responsibility to redeem and transmute that energy.... which i explained in the other posts.     

No, all music doesn't hinder.   There's another music thread floating around somewhere where i explained the basic metaphysics of personal energy release as a consequence of rythym and sound.  [see the thread titled: "My thought about music" by joeman].  I used to play in rock bands myself and made my living at it for years.  I used to do all the yelling.  When i got very interested in spirituality i realised that the whole thing and the  lifestyle that went with it was anathema to the spiritual path.  I quit rock bands and clubs, smoking cigarettes and pot, drinking alchohol [i still like the odd glass of red] and assorted other minor drug indulgences and went to work in the botanical gardens as a gardener.  I wanted peace and quiet and a clean body again so i did a 180 in a day. 

Since then i've turned up some great music.  While there's a fair bit of junk in the classical genre [as random as a lot of the metal and jazz] i also found some brilliant stuff.  You have to pick the eyes out of it and don't shy away from the giants just to be different.  Include them in your collection and you will know why they've been called 'masters' of music.  Beethoven's symphonies and piano conciertos have moments of sheer sublimity.  Mozart is great a lot of the time.  Strauss can make you feel wealthy and etheric at the same time.  When choosing these classics be sure to find performances by the best orchestras in the world.  They are far superior to the $5 CDs from asia somewhere, performed by inept amateurs with no feel for it.   Also, the Indian bhajans appealed to me as did the music of ravi shankar on sitar.  Whenever i hear old world folk from italy or hungary or greece, played well, i am positively moved... at a restaurant or whatever.   I love Luciano Pavarotti even though stiff necked officianados believe he sold out by taking his operatic arias to the masses.  I bought him no worries.  When he's at his best, Pavarotti is like holy oil and deeply moving. 

There is power in these kinds of music but it's a different kind of power.  Any music that uses natural rythyms like the ones i mentioned, and which is played with soulfull greatness, has power to give the soul a release in inner- spirit, at least temporarily... Especially Beethoven and Pavarotti and the bhajans.  They can take you to a place of high spiritual grace.  It won't happen every time, to every listener, but it can happen.  I know that rockers and lovers of metal and dance clubbers and others will say the same thing about their favourites but it's an entirely different kind of magic believe me.   Don't believe me.   Use your own discernment.  Having experienced both kinds of power ... profoundly, so i know where people are coming from when they talk about familiar experiences .... i can say there is a profound difference between a spiritual musical experience and a musical high.  IMO, the word 'spiritual' is misapplied to the 'musical high' and is very, very different. 

I've heard musicians tell me and i experienced it myself, that a high is reached in performance where it feels like it's not you anymore making the music but something else playing through you.  I guess it's the brain switching hemispheres or something and sometimes even astral entities participating by using you as an instrument.  But i do know that astral forces will energise artists who have a special (vibrational) affinity with them and/or who have a history of association with them.  The artist reaches a new level and becomes a magician for a while.  But without harmony and natural rythym the spirit is not part of that.  Harmony and order are the essence of spiritual flow.  Divine geometry, and rythym and order cannot be violated and still maintain the flow of spirit through all octaves.  It is not possible and that is why heavy metal and certain other musical forms are spiritless even though they appear very much alive.   The lively activation is nothing more than the flow of misqualified energy.  Exhilarating in it's own way but not spiritually alive.