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He mean if i understand him good, enlightment is not about "cool" psychic abilities, it is about dropping all youre illusions and knowing who you really are, and best of all being who you really are.
It can be that you develop psychic abilities, but it does not say that you are enlighted.

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Y'all may be interested to know that Courtney Brown (Farsight Institute-Remote viewer) successfully argued via remote view findings and extended scientific methodology, in supreme court, against the Catholic Church, that the Devil/Satan/Lucifer was in fact...the SUBCONCIOUS. Case was apparently rubber stamped not to be cited etc.May be worth checking out...

...would the last person to leave please turn out the enlightenment?...

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reason wrote:

... the Devil/Satan/Lucifer was in fact...the SUBCONCIOUS.

Now there's an interesting concept.  Since it's a "sub"-conscious, it's not normally available  -- it's hidden, or "dark."  The dark side.  The realm of dreams.    Seems this might be a valid concept, in the spiritual aspect of things.

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voggmo wrote:

Psychic abilities are a demonstration of developed perception.General Erwin Rommel of WW2 fame was rumored to be able to predict when & where the British army would appear. He would be out on a scouting mission & would say to his men; the british will be here in 30 minutes. They would say, how do you know? we can't see them in any direction with our binoculars. He would insist on bugging out, & lo & behold the Brits would appear just as he said they would.

Developed perception does not make one enlightened.

Expanding ones perceptic abilities, including one's SA, situational awareness, & ones reaction timing, ( a common aspect of martial training ), is arguably a very essential component-aspect of moving into higher states of being or consciousness. psyhic abilities could include the ability to predict the future, Nostradamus etc. A valuable ability I would think. Or the ability to sense with accuracy events that have occurred in the past, solving murders for example. Women have arguably better a sense of danger, a valuable survival skill. I don't know exactly what you mean by trap us even more.

A lot of things are possible, but not everyone needs to all have all these psychic abilities. It depends on what you have come to do on this planet. Forcing yourself to have them is a trap often coming from spiritual egotism.

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I don't think one would force oneself to have these, they evolve naturally as one raises ones consciousness

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As the name "Baphomet" was mentioned here (sheesh, having a real hard time writing it), the C's named it "the holder of the trent".

session 970726 wrote:

Q: What is the definition of the god 'Baphomet,' if they did, indeed,
worship such?
A: The holder of the Trent.
Q: What is THAT?
A: Seek.

session 980620 wrote:

Q: What was the head worshipped by the Templars that was supposed to have been called "Baphomet?"
A: Seer of the passage.
Q: What does that mean?
A: Remember, secrets of Knights Templar were kept in caves guided by eternally burning lamps.
Q: Okay, next question, is this Ophiuchus, the serpent holder, the same as what you have called 'the holder of Trent?'
A: Close.

Now, my problem is, I found no translation to the word "trent" to get a grasp what the C's meant. Has anyone an idea?

A man is born gentle and weak. At his death he is hard and stiff.
Green plants are tender and filled with sap. At their death they are withered and dry.
Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of death. The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life.

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The Baphomet was said to be code for Sophia, or wisdom.  The Knights Templar were said to be alchemists.  Makes me look at things like "Seer of the passage" and "caves guided by eternally burning lamps" with a certain eye.  "Seer of the passage", is that enlightenment?  "Caves guided by eternally burning lamps", is that the chakras?  Revelation in the Bible is said to referring to the chakras, by some estimations, when it mentions the seven burning lamps, and the book could be seen as the archtype battle of darkness being overcome through enlightenment.  Kundalini is said to trigger each chakra as it rises up the spine, which makes me think of "Ophiuchus, the serpent holder" as being the spinal cord, the path of the kundalini as it awakens each chakra.  The Baphomet, or head, is the possesser of the crown chakra, the chakra that awakens "godhood", I suppose, since its color is purple, that of royalty.  For some reason, when I was reading about the Templars one time, and the speculation as to what this group was doing that made them so mysterious and powerful, I had the thought that "they're making gods".  What that meant to me is that they had found a method to awaken themselves and had these "powers", for lack of a better word.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Haven's interpretation is basically what I have concluded as well.

Trent doesn't appear to be an english word. I found two similar words in Latin and German.

Here is the German:

trennt
  # disassociates
  # disconnects
  # disjoins
  # dissociates
  # disunites
  # secedes
  # segregates
  # separates
  # severs
  # sunders

I found the Latin origin of "Trent" in a baby names dictionary and it means "torrent".

Considering that Baphomet was a head without the body, that being knighted involves being touched on both shoulders by a sword to symbolize decapitation, and that esoterically decapitation means having your mind liberated from mortal constraints and your crown chakra blasted open like Haven said, I'm leaning toward the German translation. So the "holder of the Trent" would translate to "holder of that which esoterically decapitates" - that which imparts wisdom and clarity.

But the Latin meaning I also find interesting because initiation via activation of the crown chakra would indeed result in enlightenment through a "torrent" of knowledge.

tor ·rent   Pronunciation Key  (tôrnt, tr-) n.
   1. A turbulent, swift-flowing stream.
   2. A heavy downpour; a deluge.
   3. A heavy, uncontrolled outpouring: a torrent of insults; torrents of mail.

As for the eternally burning lamps, that reminds me of two things, the inner light of wisdom (the Real 'I')  that can never be snuffed out, and the historical reference to rosicrucians/alchemists who knew how to create eternally burning flames.  For more on eternal lamps, see this excerpt from Many P. Hall's book "The Secret Teaching of All Ages". From what I've read, the eternal flame is primarily a sigil of the secret societies who aim to preserve key knowledge through ages of darkness and ignorance, namely the Rosicrucians/Illuminati of whom the Templars were a temporary 'exterior' arm for the purposes of who-knows-what, maybe to retrieve something from the Holy Land like some technology or knowledge system lost in Europe but preserved in the mid-east since Egyptian times.

But the head of Baphomet, that's where things get interesting.

session 970726 wrote:

Q: Okay. I have several books on the subject. I will start
tomorrow. Now, when the Templars were arrested, they
were accused of worshipping a head, or skull, and also the
god Baphomet. Were these spurious accusations designed to
defame them?
A: Skull was of pure crystal.

session 941102 wrote:

Q: (L) Who carved the crystal skull found in Central
America?
A: Mayans.
Q: (L) What was the purpose of that skull?
A: Study brain. Long message follows pause: Now: skull was
to learn about soul; reflective remolecularization imaging.
Grays do this with abductees.
Q: (L) Through what kind of instrument.
A: Energy focusing.

If the head of Baphomet "worshipped" by the Templars was a crystal skull, then that fits with the interpretation of "Holder of the Trent" because crystal skulls are psychometric storage and learning devices. Tap into those psychically and voila, instant knowledge download and illumination, and thus power.

Bringers of the Dawn wrote:

Sound is another way to carry information because it is part of light. To you it may seem that sound and
light are two separate things, because from your point of view you perceive light with your eyes and
sound with your ears. Because you use two separate areas of perception on your body, it seems that
sound and light are separated as well. In actuality, they are very connected. They wind themselves
around one another because they both carry information.
Many of the structures built on this planet, particularly ancient sacred sites, have information stored
within stone. In the same way, you have information stored within the bones of your skeletal form.
When you allow sound to move through you, it unlocks a doorway and allows information to flood into
your body. It also penetrates the ground, affecting the vibrations of Earth and allowing a rearrangement
of a molecular alignment of information to take place. Those of you who use sound when you are
working on others' bodies bring about a rearrangement of the molecular structure and create an opening
for information to flood in. This kind of work will become more and more profound.
In Tibet, when a master who was able to transcend realities passed over, the body was kept and allowed
to move into its own natural deterioration because the skeletal form held a sensibility to frequencies.
informatioin is stored in bone and stone. In some places in Tibet where the lines of continuity in sects of
monks can be traced back for thousands and thousands of years, people have kept the skulls of different
masters. They have very secret crypts and rooms filled with these skulls.. When one walks into these
places, one can, through sound, access the intelligence factors of the humans who once occupied those
skulls.
Do you understand why crystal skulls were designed? Crystalline structures are like holographic
computers: they can transmit to the evolved or plugged-in human a tremendous amount of information.
They are designed like skulls to act as a code for understanding your own skull and understanding that
the bone in your body is very valuable.

You can see evidence of this today in a corrupted form via the Skull and Bones society. Their sign is the Templar naval flag and they "worship" Geronimo's skull. Their rituals with this skull involves, among other things, screeching prolongedly at it.

In the Bringers excerpt above, it was sound that accessed such information from skulls, stones, and crystals via the vocal technique of "toning" - which, if you study up on it, goes by the name of "overtone singing" which involves isolating certain harmonics of the voice to create a high pitched ringing sound, which degenerated into screeching in today's Skull'n'Bones rituals. But then again, maybe the Bones know what they're doing. I mention this only because it lends credence to what the C's said about this subject. The clues are everywhere.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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Haven, Montalk, thanks for the replies, they are a catalyst of insight to me. I thought of  “trent"  being an English noun I just wasn’t able to find.
I have a hard time pondering that topic because reading that special name gives me everytime an huge shock and I don’t know the reason why. If there is somewhere on a text-page the B… name, my eyes are immediately attracted and I experience first an emotional shock and then a sensation of pure terror/fear – very strange. If it would also be the case with Lucifer, The Devil, Ahriman or what other names there exist I wouldn’t be curious, but it’s just that one… Maybe there is a past-life connection to the Knights Templar. Or it might be an implant triggering my emotions for harvesting fear-energy…
So, the Baphomet could be a symbol or an entity that symbolizes/reigns the STS-realm of wisdom…or not even STS? Then why is it pictured as some kind of goat-like creature, what I would interpret as being mainly connected to the lower animalistic instincts? Desinformation, distraction?

A man is born gentle and weak. At his death he is hard and stiff.
Green plants are tender and filled with sap. At their death they are withered and dry.
Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of death. The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life.

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Here is some info I found:

http://altreligion.about.com/library/gl … phomet.htm

This enigmatic figure, known as Baphomet, was first described at the trials of the Templars, a medieval order of Crusader Monks accused of Heresy, witchcraft, and other crimes. The Order, founded in 1118 by nobleman Hughes de Payens, was the first of a number of "Military Orders." Originally concieved as a means of protecting Christian pilgrims to Jerusalem, they became very popular. They were exempted from taxation, and had amassed great wealth and property by the 13th century.

The Templars became a possible political threat to the Church and to King Phillip of France, who issued secret orders (using contrived information) to have all of the Templars in France arrested. Torture elicited hundreds of confessions of various crimes and heresies. The laundry list of unlikely crimes included spitting on the cross, denying Christ, and worshpping an idol; namely, a grotesque bearded head (other descriptions conflicted) called Baphomet. Indeed, a number of supposedly Templar artifacts have surfaced which bear an image of an unusual male/female hybrid which resembles alchemical drawings of the soul of the world.

Historians over the years have debated the possibility that the Baphomet rumor was true, and many suggestions about the origin of the word have been put forward. Some have proposed that the name is a corruption of the name Mohammed, or from the Greek, a phrase meaning "baptism of wisdom," or "Bufihimat," Moorish-Spanish for "father of wisdom". Others have suggested more intriguing possibilities- that baphomet is a kabbalistic cipher for the Gnostic Goddess Sophia, or a variant name for the Greek Titan Goddess of wisdom "Metis."

The current version pictured above was drawn by the nineteenth century occultist Eliphas Levi (Alphonse Constant), using elements from various descriptions. It was drawn with the head of a Goat, a human body with cloven feet and wings. According to Levi, it was a relevatory figure, requiring study to understand. This particular drawing is quite popular with Satanists and Ritual magicians, for varying reasons. However, save for a few details, Levi's connection between his version of Baphomet, and the legendary idol of the Templars is mostly nonexistent.

Levi's description of the figure:


"The goat on the frontispiece carries the sign of the pentagram on the forehead, with one point at the top, a symbol of light, his two hands forming the sign of hermeticism, the one pointing up to the white moon of the Quabbalic Chesed, the other pointing down to the black one of Geburah. This sign expresses the perfect harmony of mercy with justice. His one arm is female, the other male like the ones of the androgyn of Khunrath, the attributes of which we had to unite with those of our goat because he is one and the same symbol. The flame of intelligence shining between his horns is the magic light of the universal balance, the image of the soul elevated above matter, as the flame, whilst being tied to matter, shines above it. The ugly beast's head expresses the horror of the sinner, whose materially acting, solely responsible part has to bear the punishment exclusively; because the soul is insensitive according to its nature and can only suffer when it materializes. The rod standing instead of genetials symbolizes eternal life, the body covered with scales the water, the semi-circle above it the atmosphere, the feathers following above the volatile. Humanity is represented by the two breasts and the androgyne arms of this sphinx of the occult sciences."

http://altreligion.about.com/library/gl … mendes.htm

Goat of Mendes (Mendez Goat, sigil of Baphomet, Sabbatic goat)

Definition: A symbol devised in the nineteen fifties and falsely attributed to the nineteenth century occultist Elipas Levi. This symbol is commonly confused with Levi's Baphomet, which was not presented as a symbol of evil, but of harmony, redemption, and union with the divine. Nonetheless, the two have been confused so often it is nearly impossible to separate them. The name "Mendes goat" derives from a connection made between Levi's Baphomet and the legendary Ram headed god Ammon, of Mendes, Egypt, which Levi connected to his Baphomet figure.

A simplified version of the symbol shown was adopted as the emblem of Anton Lavey's Church of Satan in 1966. The Hebrew letters surrounding the pentacle spell out "leviathan."

http://altreligion.about.com/library/we … 30103a.htm

The Tempars and the origin of Baphomet

At first look, it appears ghastly-a grotesque sphinx like creature, with the head of a goat, cloven hooves, and the body of a nude woman. It is the Baphomet, one of the most misunderstood religious symbols of all time.

The name Baphomet is derived from an enigmatic figure first described at the trials of the Templars, a medieval order of Crusader Monks accused of Heresy, witchcraft, and other crimes against the Catholic Church.

The Order, (ostensibly) founded in 1118 by nobleman Hugues de Payens, was the first of a number of Military Monastic Orders that flourished during the Crusade years. The word "Templar" derives from the full official name of the order, "The poor knights of Christ and the Temple of Solomon." Originally promoted as the protectors Christian pilgrims to Jerusalem, they were known as fierce warriors with tremendous military prowess.

In a very short time after their inception, the Knights Templar became very popular. They were exempted from taxation, and had amassed great wealth and property by the 13th century. By this time, Jerusalem had fallen back into Muslim hands, and enthusiasm for crusades was waning. The Templars were now living quite well. They had tremendous political and financial influence (even instituting Europe's first banking system).

However, with no Crusades to justify their continued existence, they became to some a target of resentment. King Phillip of France, possibly with an eye toward gaining control of Templar finances, issued secret orders to have all of the Templars in France arrested on grounds of heresy and sorcery. Torture elicited confessions of various crimes and heresies from many of the Knights. The laundry list of unlikely confessions included spitting on the cross, denying Christ, and worshipping an idol called Baphomet.

The Baphomet is still an enigma, and there is of course some debate whether or not it was a real item or the product of torture. Several knights recalled that Baphomet was variously a severed head, or an idol possessing two or four heads, or sometimes, as a goat or goat's head. The name is highly unusual, and many suggestions about the origin of the word have been put forward. Idries Shah has proposed that the name is a corruption of a name of Mohammed. Abufihamat, pronounced "Bufihimat," a word very similar to Baphomet, is Moorish-Spanish for "father of wisdom," an epithet used to describe the Prophet. This seems unlikely, although there seems to be a concerted effort to link the Templars with Islam. The Templars certainly had contact with Muslim ideas, and even incorporated symbols of Islam into their emblems, but Islam forbade Idol worship just as strenuously then as now- creating an image of the prophet in order to worship it would have been a tremendous blasphemy.

The Goddess Sophia

Others have suggested more intriguing possibilities-a respected Dead Sea Scrolls scholar, Dr. Hugh Schonfield, believes that baphomet is a kabalistic cipher for the Gnostic Goddess Sophia. The code, known as the "atbash Cipher," is a common kabalistic substitution cipher, where the Hebrew alphabet is laid out twice in opposite directions, each letter from the top row substituting for one on the lower. Using this system, the name Baphomet spelled in Hebrew characters yields the name Sophia. Curiously, a number of Templar artifacts bear an image of an unusual bearded androgyne which resembles alchemical drawings of the Anima Mundi, or soul of the world, who is identical to the Gnostic Sophia (Sophia was often referred to by the Gnostics as a hermaphroditic deity). (They also resemble depictions of Abraxas, a Gnostic solar deity) The images are certainly not drawn from any orthodox Christian symbolism:

 
The Cathar connection

Historians over the years have debated whether or not there was any truth at all to the charges against the Templars. There is some evidence of connections between the Knights and the Cathars, or Albigensians, a heretical Gnostic group which was the very first target of the inquisition. The Cathars were pious ascetics whose main offense to the Church seems to have been their acceptance of women as the spiritual equals of men. In a time when it was still a matter of debate whether women had souls, even the suggestion was beyond blasphemy. (The Templars, too, seemed to take a more positive view of women. Surviving records show many instances of women joining the Order, a practice which was discontinued by Papal order.) The Cathar’s last stand was in the mountain fortress of Montsegur. The Templars are rumored to have refused to participate in the fight, and may have assisted fleeing Cathars.

The Holy Grail

Another interesting connection between the two groups can be found in the Arthurian Grail romances. The imagery of the mysterious bearded head surfaces again in the Grail romances of Chretien of Troyes, where thinly disguised Templars are the Guardians of the Holy Grail. The grail in this story is not the cup of Christ of later versions, but a mysterious dish accompanied by a lance.

The story, commissioned by a Templar nobleman, is rife with alchemical and sexual allegory. The hero Percival visits a mysterious castle, Montsalvat- believed by many to be identical to the Cathar stronghold of Montsegur. During his stay, he observes two odd processions: a maiden carrying a platter (the grail) with a single wafer on it, and a page carrying a lance which bleeds continuously. Out of respect, he avoids asking about the items.

He awakens to find the castle deserted. Outside, he encounters the Fisher King, who is tellingly wounded “in the thigh,”  and is admonished that his failure to discover the secret of the Grail and the lance has cursed the land with infertility (most of the grail stories follow in similar vein, seeming to hint at pre-Christian sexual rites associating the health of the land with the virility of the king). A fourteenth century painting underlines the hidden message of the Grail stories- it depicts the Grail knights kneeling before a glowing vision of the Goddess Venus:


Celtic symbolism

Another thread of continuity exists between several descriptions of the Baphomet as an idol with multiple heads, and the very obvious connection between the Grail romances and Celtic mythology. In the pre-Christian European Celtic religion, heads were venerated as the seat of power, and important deities were quite often portrayed with multiple heads/faces. Pagan fertility rituals were known to have been carried on long after the conversion of Europe’s Pagan tribes. The Templar connection to the Grail stories, with their unmistakably Celtic notions, has been well established.



Eliphas Levi and the Occult Baphomet

The popular drawing of Baphomet pictured above was drawn by the nineteenth century occultist Eliphas Levi (Alphonse Constant). Based on hermaphroditic gargoyles found on Templar chapels, the figure was drawn with the head of a Goat, a human body with cloven feet and wings. According to Levi, it was a revelatory figure, requiring study to understand:


"The goat on the frontispiece carries the sign of the pentagram on the forehead, with one point at the top, a symbol of light, his two hands forming the sign of hermetecism, the one pointing up to the white moon of the Qabbalistic Chesed, the other pointing down to the black one of Geburah. This sign expresses the perfect harmony of mercy with justice. His one arm is female, the other male like the ones of the androgyne of Khunrath, the attributes of which we had to unite with those of our goat because he is one and the same symbol. The flame of intelligence shining between his horns is the magic light of the universal balance, the image of the soul elevated above matter, as the flame, whilst being tied to matter, shines above it. The ugly beast's head expresses the horror of the sinner, whose materially acting, solely responsible part has to bear the punishment exclusively; because the soul is insensitive according to its nature and can only suffer when it materializes. The rod standing instead of genitals symbolizes eternal life, the body covered with scales the water, the semi-circle above it the atmosphere, the feathers following above the volatile. Humanity is represented by the two breasts and the androgyne arms of this sphinx of the occult sciences."

What is the purpose of such a figure? It could be easily assumed that the intolerance of the Church would have made extreme secrecy on topics that may be found blasphemous or heretical, especially any doctrine which promised illumination without the guidance of that Church. The use of symbolic figures would allow communication between those in “the know”  without making any obvious statement to those without; it also enables outsiders to learn through the interpretation of symbols.

The true historical identity of the Baphomet can only be guessed at, it cannot be solved; symbolically, it is an open book to anyone with the key.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Haven, thanks for your quoting of that article. Have just read it again.
I stumbled upon the following on Eve Lorgens Site. I post it because it is mentioned there as "opener of the door"

love bite wrote:

Azazael was the angel who taught humans the skills that caused such a ruckus, and I suspect any major magician such as those in secret societies would call on him for further instruction. He became to be worshipped as the goat headed one. In Leviticus, it is described that the Israelites would sacrifice a goat to him. He was one who gave the information to Enoch. He is also called Baphomet, the devil worshipped by the Babylonian Brotherhood, the goat headed, scaly god of the Templars. Dee said the Enochian word Baphomet, means opener of the door. Such as the portals the avenging reptilian angels come through.

http://www.alienlovebite.com/kundra2.ht … stion%20#9

A man is born gentle and weak. At his death he is hard and stiff.
Green plants are tender and filled with sap. At their death they are withered and dry.
Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of death. The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life.

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actually adam and eve and children of eden which lucifer was one of them did and do exsist and will be tied to end of all this but it is not the understanding that people think, think of them as a being like the creation energy because they are in essence the children of the celestial realms, mother and father Eloihim and Adonia, it very important when they show themselfs humanity doesnt try to kill them yes light could be looked as ET's...the story which is said to happen is not what happened it a symbology for something else peace

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i agree with you that these stories and such should be taken as symbology, i agree 100%

but i think u should slow down and explain more of what you are mentioning, you seem to be in a rush with your posts...

not trying to put u down in any way, i am curious as to what u think.

z

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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