how do you meet people like us? (Page 1 of 2)

There was a recent topic similar to this, you might find some good advice there:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=6094

I agree with Tom Paine's suggestion.  You throw a piece of bait out there and see who bites.  This just happened at my last temp job which I finished this past Friday.  I was training my replacement, (I chose to not stick with the assignment long term, so she was taking over for me) and she's this older black woman in her mid-50's.  I'm a 33 year old white girl.  So on the outset it seems we probably don't have much in common.  But then things took quite an unexpected turn.  So we're sitting there at my desk, with me teaching her stuff, and she noticed my earrings.  She asks me if I happen to like amethyst, because the earrings were these purple hearts with violet beads, and I'm like, Yeah, I do actually.  That led to a discussion about gemstones and rocks and making jewelry out of them, stuff I'm interested in as well, as I've also made most of my own jewelry over the years, same as her.  Then she mentions that she used to be really into the whole rocks and gems thing, and carried around a little pouch of rocks with her....

....To which I go "!!!" and turn and pull my little pouch of rocks out of my sweater pocket.  I told her that normally I'd never show that to anybody but she was obviously cool and could understand that whole deal. 

From there, things took off.  To make a long story short, we were both into the same things, from rocks and gems to making jewelry, studying natural remedies and herbs and supplements, on up to the "weird" stuff.  She later mentioned having studied up various religions and beliefs, having friends who were Wiccan/Pagan, reading all about esoteric/metaphysical stuff, citing various authors like Gurdjieff (sp!) Oespensky (sp!) and authors that Montalk/Tom has read and recommends on his site.  In passing, in our many conversations we had over the course of the week, she gave me wisdom and advise, seeming to be like the Oracle in the Matrix, I swear, mentioned such things as energy vampires and people being used as vectors of attack,  (she didn't use that exact phrase, "vector of attack" but she described exactly that) which showed awareness on her part of that aspect of reality.  Turns out she frequents the same local metaphysical bookshop that we do, and had actually seen Tom before, describing him to me.  etc. etc., blah blah blah.  I mean, it was NUTS, and all because she broached the subject of "amethyst."  On Friday as we parted ways she told me she felt there was a reason we crossed paths the way we did, because what are the odds that she would have been my replacement, of all people?  ??!  She wanted to trade contact info, so I gave her my website business card - something I would never normally do with coworkers in the "real" world, I keep my woo-woo web thing separate from my working world persona - but she understood, and had even mentioned being in "two worlds" first, without yet knowing the name of my website.  She talked about how all of this is an illusion, and the weird stuff is what's real, so she has to force herself to work at these sorts of jobs, and it's like having a foot in two worlds.  I passed on Tom's website as well, writing the montalk address on the back of the card, told her to check his site out first since she'd read the more intellectual esoteric books that he talks about, and he writes about all the same stuff she was talking about. 

So yeah, I mean....it was nuts. !!!   Thing is though, the day that it all happened I specifically was thinking about "amethyst" as I headed up the stairs to get to my car to go to work.  I spontaneously remembered out of nowhere that I used to have a key chain with an amethyst point on it, back in the 90s, but then it broke.  So amethyst was on my brain, then I get to work and she starts talking about amethyst, broaching the subject of it, and the rest is history.

Throw out the bait, see who bites, that's what you do when trying to find others out there like yourself....

You know.....I did think that myself.    I did, because in some ways the situation was a little too perfect, but there were enough things that made it seem legit, enough ways in which I could see that she was a real person out there in the world, that I dismissed the concept of her being an agent.  But, admittedly, the thought did cross my mind that very first day with the "amethyst" thing. 

That always seems to be the way it goes.    We'll find those people we connect with, and there will be obstacles keeping us apart, stuff that makes it difficult to maintain any sort of regular contact.  Without sounding like some cynical pessimist, it really is like the "matrix control system" works to keep real people isolated, on their little island surrounded by sharks.

It's funny what you describe, because I spent a few years tossing bait in the water and just this year the sharks formed a group (I believe of wiccan/pagan origin; I deemed this from the book collection that used to be sold at the Coffee Emporium).  These are the same people who I believed were favorable to someone in search of spiritual truth. Maybe this is why some of them hung around such a spiritual group, because they were agents for darker forces. I didn't know wiccans/pagans felt the need for protection.With all the synchronistic events that occured during those years I had been observing the reactions nd the conversations that arose.  I did have many, many people that came to me at "careful" times to discuss such interesting subjects as telepathy, mind-reading, near-dear experiences, hypersensitivity to spirits, etc.  The core group is now represented by a coffee/tea shop bouncer/agent(?)(ever heard of a spiritual tea house needing a semi-fulltime self proclaimed bouncer/associate?).  He and a couple others have stalked me via "google".  Just yesterday I was reminded of their covert actions to research and track down the expressions of the poet "carefulcarpenter".  This is NOT a drama created by me to entertain, this is an assailment of my family and character in an attempt to..........?? You can help me by discerning any motives on their part which has targetted me for deserving suchattempted emotional and psychological abuse. So far I have embraced them with truth and consideration.  Each time I put my hand out with love and friendship they have ignored it for prefered escalation of accusations and ridicule. I try dearly to see good in their efforts to "enlighten" me.  They suggested an "intervention" but they could not find the visible support needed to pull it off. I willing offered to meet them face to face; they stated that they were 10 strong, but so far I have only guessed at 2-3 front agents(?). I think they are empowered and will be rewarded by the higher authority in their group if they can disuade me from my presence in the Coffee Emporium(ficticious name I use in my writings). These are real people with real agendas though. The "Coffee Emporium" is a real establishment in my mountain town. 

I will warn that they are already reading this site and were quite attracted to the "Dead Series: thread.  It won't be long before you witness their approach.  From what I have seen, they do not respond to the topics per se, but find any comment they can distort, twist. turn, and interpret to ridicule me personally.  I support thr freedom of expression so I woud be the last one to ban them from their views.  I think often what we see in others is what we are blind to about ourselves.  I observe them as they observe me--this way I can better understand the uncomfortable and unrecognized part of my complete self.  I find them to be helpful in a bizarre way; they reflect the inperceivable shadow of myself that I want to observe. You actually may like their style and their Hooliganism.

Just want you to be forwarned and willing to work with them to awaken them from the bad dream I must have induced with my poetic aphorisms and free-wheeling insights.  Good draws out the evil in others as well as ourselves.  This may be a good look at the hidden side of me if they choose to bring it here.  I don't blame them so much, as the forces that drive their cause are surely perceived by their minds are just as noble as the forces that bring creative inspiration to me.

Agent Smith is the backside of the ribbon of infinite energy that is Neo.  Only through projection and inverse inner reflection can one observe the shadow.

I know that Tom/Montalk has the right to set his own standards as "forum keeper-upper", and I do not question his thinking in this matter.  I was a temporary moderator on a forum and did much to insure that detractors of mine or any other had a fair system that governed behavior on that forum.  In the name of free personal expression the membership learned how to function within the "free-for-all" protocol.  It is not easy, but I have never used the "ignore function" myself and would give ample warning and careful consideration before banning a member.  I simple took Montalk's wise philosophy and carried it over there: "You control your response and therein lies your freedom" ~~Montalk.  I try to control my responses to leading questions and accusatory comments.

Would you refer to "Montalk" as Tom's "alternate persona", a "nickname", or "nom de plume"?

I do not take your comments and questions as anything other than excellent questions amoung many that could be addressed in regards to the thread topic.  I am sure I can be interpretted in many ways.  I mostly leave my creative expression to the viewer to decide what they see in the expressions.  Their response is under their control; they too, are empowered by their response.  I have always encouraged people to think deeply about issues, which I hope is perceivably intertwined within my provocative style.  I never intend to come across as condescending or accusatory, yet many feel this in my work.  I'm sure in many cases you are correct: I do find a repetitive response in many of my viewers, clients, and myself. I truely am not alone in this regard, for many workmen can relate to the irrational treatment we receive from the prominent in society and groups: if you have the temerity to speak out with your common sense observations you will be put down. What I have observed is in line with much of what I have wanted to learn(soul and human), this is aparently why synchronicity has been so regular and guiding on my path; so yes, my proclivity for "teaching" has consistently been annoying to a large segment of the population, and particularily irritating to a certain unconscious part of the many.

I admire your style, and see much of my "in-your-face" pc-challenging independent nature in you.  I understand why we as the spiritually inquizative can be irritating most often to those who harbor fears of self-revelation, mostly those with repressed insecurites and existential wounding.  I try not to butt heads with you or people like you, for I see too much of myself there behind the masks.  In this case I actually appreciate your command of the obvious: I may be seeing a repetitive pattern in about 10% of my clients and even higher in the general population.  This I have been fully aware of and have found, or have been given by insightful others, personal solutions to these issues.  I now have learned to shut my mouth and keep my opinions to myself when in the company of most people.  I do find those who appreciate me and I value them greatly. Amazingly I enjoy listening to those who do not agree with me, or have other perpectives foreign to my own.  I seldom look for groups of like-minded people to commune with, although i do like to commune in nature with those who recognize its vasteness and wonder; therefore I personally am fond of most of the wiccans and pagans that I know.

I believe this points to the crux of which the thread starter was inquiring. I sincerly hope the following discussion is about such topic rather than focusing on my style and the forced lessons I am facing--all as a consequence of me throwing ample "bait" out and observing what and who responds, how they respond, and how objective they can be when responding.  I have welcomed those who are strong-willed enough to "teach" me, and I have listened even more "carefully" to those who feel entitled to punish me for the purpose of teaching me valuable "lessons" about abuse. It is often said that the abused become the abusers.  I am curious to understand more about this "authority" and what forces are behind it.  The most egregious efforts and despicable actions in human history have been perpetrated by righteous thinking people empowered by the authority to deliver punishment on those the group determined as offensive and blameworthy.

I hope this can be a civil discussion about discovering other like-minds with a deep spiritual intuition and not the focus on why I personally find many aparent self-judged spirtual people less than willing to share deep thoughts with "unlike minds". I would like to ask you and the others in the thread to attempt to comment on what "like-minded" means to you?

It appears that Noble Realms is a rare venue where such enlightening conversations can come from such a diverse group of thought(full) individuals without egos being hurt or tempers inflamed.  I pay respect to Montalk and yourself for your patience and for your curiosity in asking the tough questions that lead us ever closer to the unknown mystery we seek.

  "Warriors are self-revealed not for the glory of the victory, but in the passion for the quest."
~~carefulcarpenter

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The point I was making was that you don't have to worry about their approach, because they're not going to be able to become members of the forum without going through Montalk first, via an introductory email.  So, they can approach all they want, but all they're going to be able to do is read.  They won't be able to post and be the invading barbarian horde.   

Nom de Plume.   An alternate persona is a character one creates and may even refer to it in the third person............as if it were a separate identity.  Tom doesn't refer to Montalk as if "Montalk" were somebody else outside of himself, nor invent quotes that he attributes to that name.  (and I'm not criticizing you for doing that, although it probably comes across that way.  I think a lot of your quotes are meaningful.)  It's also not a nickname, as nobody in life actually calls him that.  So it's a pen name, the name that articles are written under. 

But in the future, should you have a question pertaining to Tom, kindly be an adult...and ask Tom himself.   

Consider your approach and the way in which you choose to "teach."  Have the people on the receiving end of your "proclivity to teach" asked for it?  Or is it unsolicited? If it's unsolicited, is it preachy, the kind of approach that would put people on the defensive?  Or is it the better method of throwing out some bait and seeing who bites?..............while respecting the fact that many probably won't?   When you choose to try to teach people, do you do so at appropriate times?  And most important - how are you coming across to them?  This is the hardest one to answer, because it's very difficult to know how other people see us.  I know that the people that I've perceived as being creepy or "off" certainly didn't see themselves as being that way, otherwise they would have behaved differently.   We all have the way in which we'd like to view ourselves, but, it may not be accurate.  (See "I Heart Huckabees" for a good example of this.  The character played by Jude Law always goes around telling the same Shania Twain personal anecdote, over and over and over, until the Existential Detectives, played by Lily Tomlin and Dustin Hoffman, tape record over a dozen instances of him repeatedly telling the same anecdote to different people in different situations, playing it back to him.  Suddenly he hears himself the way others hear him.  A boring cad always telling the same silly story to anybody who'll listen, versus the witty, admired, powerful, well liked guy that he viewed himself as in his mind.)   So, that's something to consider.  This is something I myself have been pondering due to a recent personality clash with one particular woman at my last temp job.  I tried a novel exercise...............I put myself in her shoes with what I knew about her personality, and viewed myself through her eyes.   It was quite eye opening.  Suddenly the problem wasn't completely all her.  It was a two way street in the sense that I had my personality and way of doing things and viewing things, and she had hers, and it clashed.  Sometimes her responses were very different from how I myself would be, not what I would do, but, I had a better understanding for why the clash was happening in the first place.   

All I can say is, you're doing at least something to bring part of this on.  How are these people in your life in the first place? How did that happen?  Once they became intertwined into your realm, how was it that they were allowed to remain there?   And again, what might you be doing on your end to inflame the situation, even inadvertently?  How are you perceived by others? 

Again, consider the way in which you're doling out your opinions.  Is it at appropriate times in appropriate situations?  Is it unsolicited, or did they ask you?  If it's unsolicited, is it an approach that puts people on the defensive, or is it the "bait and hope" or tread cautiously approaches?