1 (edited by lyra 2007-12-06 14:01:51)

Topic: It isn't so much that there was yet another shooting, so much as...

...the fact that President Bush just so happened to be in the same city on the same day, and left an hour beforehand.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/06/mall.s … ef=24hours

"President Bush had visited Omaha on Wednesday before the shooting...."

Omaha Nebraska.  What would anybody be doing going out of their way to visit....Omaha, Nebraska?  No offense if you're from Omaha, or Nebraska, but let's face it, it's not exactly L.A., New York, D.C., Chicago, Boston, Miami, Houston, or any other major, popular urban center that a Prez may be visiting.  It's Omaha.  Nebraska.  And the Prez just so happened to be there on the same day as a crazy shooting at a mall that kills 9 people so far, including the gunman.  And the first 911 call came in at 1:42 p.m., which means the shootings started probably at........drum roll..................1:41. 

ummm.   okay.  Can you say possible triggered mind control pawn? hmm  I think maybe we can put two and two together and deduce what Bush and his buddies may have been doing there in Omaha on the same day.  Why though, for what greater purpose, I don't know, other than to further advance some impending gun control laws and other assorted restrictions and laws that clamp down on personal liberty.  Each individual incident may not seem that big of a deal, but you add them all up, and there you go.

Even better, the original Yahoo story where I saw the part about Bush now has the "Bush in Omaha on the same day, left an hour before the shooting" part removed.  Story's been altered since this morning.  Usually with Yahoo stories they'll change throughout the day....as they add more and more to the article.  So the original details will be pushed towards the bottom as more information gets added at the beginning.  In this case, it's the opposite.  The connect-the-dots details have now been edited out.   

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071206/ap_ … l_shooting

No mention of Bush now in the article, but it was there this morning, and I sent it to Tom and he saw it earlier.

Interestingly though at the end of the article, which I didn't catch earlier, is the mention of another mall shooting this year, back in February, in Salt Lake City.  (major mind control center, from what I've read.)   Nine people shot, five fatally. So, more of that "piling on" factor.  Mass mall shootings, mass school shootings, highway sniper shootings, maybe all with some agenda in mind, who knows.  It seems so random and silly at first glance, and there are unanswered questions such as, how and where would this kid have been discovered and programmed - I don't know - and I wouldn't have even paid any attention to this story except for the whole "coincidental" President Bush in Omaha thing.  And the time, seeming to be at nearly 1:41.  So who knows.  Maybe it is worth a pause, maybe it isn't.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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I'm having a harder and harder time believing these events are random.

Too many similarities in the patterns.
The VA Tech incident definetely reeked of
MC assassin, I think this one does too.
And as Michael Rivero commented over at WRH, just in time for a distraction from the 'latest' revelations about Iran's nuke intentions.
That's the smelliest part of these events, there is seemingly always damaging news that needs to be swept under the rug.



Happy to have been a part

3 (edited by morningsun76 2007-12-06 18:21:05)

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This morning I was on my computer reading Fritz Springmeier's book on trauma-based mind control.   Early this afternoon someone sends me a message saying "my trauma-based mind control is breaking down, and I'm beginning to realize I'm working for the dark side."

Second time that's happened to me.  A few months ago I went to bed leaving a website critical of a secret society open on my screen.   When I woke up and checked my e-mail, someone had e-mailed me the exact text of the website that was still open on my screen.   The subject line of the e-mail was "FR33DOM."   Nice.

4 (edited by coincidencecontrol 2007-12-07 06:29:02)

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This might shed some light into what Bush may have been doing in Omaha;


Offutt AFB) is a base of the United States Air Force and a census-designated place (CDP) in Sarpy County, Nebraska, United States. It is home to the headquarters of the United States Strategic Command, the Air Force Weather Agency, and the 55th Wing. Its legacy includes the construction of the first two bombers to drop atomic bombs and nearly 30 years as the aerial command center for the United States in case of nuclear war during the Cold War.

Gee, so I guess that means that Omaha is just a little more than a sleepy midwestern town. By the way, the military base is actually located in Bellevue, which happens to be the same town the shooter was from.

Oh yeah... and lest we forget there's this little gem pulled from out of the memory hole

George Bush at Offutt command bunker on September 11, 2001

On September 11, 2001, George W. Bush conducted one of the first major strategy sessions for the response to the September 11, 2001 attacks from a bunker at the base.

Bush, who was in Florida at the Emma Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Florida[4] at the time of the attacks, first flew from Sarasota-Bradenton International Airport to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana and then to Offutt en route back to Washington, DC. Bush arrived at 2:50 PM (Eastern), conducted a video conference in an underground command bunker and left for Washington, DC at 4:30 PM.[5]

Air Force One left Barksdale for Offutt Air Force Base around 1:30 p.m. [6] The Air Force One entourage was pared down to a few essential staffers such as Ari Fleischer, Andrew Card, Karl Rove, Dan Bartlett, and Gordon Johndroe [7], plus about five reporters. [8] During the flight, Bush remained in “continuous contact” with the White House Situation Room and Vice President Dick Cheney. [9]

Air Force One landed at Offutt shortly before 3:00 p.m. [10] At 3:06, Bush passed through security to the US Strategic Command Underground Command Center [11] and was taken into an underground bunker designed to withstand a nuclear blast. [12][
    * Various 9/11 conspiracy theories claim the United States had foreknowledge of the attacks because USSTRATCOM had earlier scheduled its annual Global Guardian global exercise as part of the United States military exercises scheduled for September 11, 2001

Wow, I bet they think nobody remembers that or sees it as weird! As soon as I saw your post, lyra, I was thinking, "wait a minute...what ABOUT Nebraska anyway? I thought I remembered Bush or Cheney being wisked away somewhere like that after 9/11. There's apparently a lot going on "under the surface" in little ol' Omaha.

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Oh yeah and one more thing: Warren Buffett lives in Omaha and just happened to be on base that day for a meeting with some big wigs who had offices in the WTC. Not to derail this into a 911 thread, but all this stuff just stinks to high heaven!

Coincidentally, Omaha-resident Warren Buffett was on the base meeting that morning in a charity event which was attended by several financial services executives whose offices were in the World Trade Center. Among the executives was Anne Tatlock of Fiduciary Trust Co. International, who likely would have died had it not been for the meeting. [19] There is no record if Buffett or any of the executives met or even saw Bush.

Also, as has no doubt been mentioned here before at some point, Virginia Tech and Littleton Co. are also crawling with big time military interests.

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trying to figure out your 1:41 connection....clue me in...
it's really funny that you mention how yahoo news changes it's stories...
I am in Australia and so I see the stories that are posted for a short time and then they are gone...I just sent one to my sister in the USA and said "check this out before it gets wiped off the airwaves"  since it's the middle of the night for the US I think some unusual ones are posted...I sound crazy to myself right now! I will have to pay more attention now
that is VERY weird about the Bush--Omaha--shootings --same day---does make you wonder:|

i'll see it when i believe it

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For starters:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 96&p=2   #26

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Very interesting, Lyra.

I just so happen to be watching the news last night (I know - WHAT was I thinking!?) and here in my city there was a guy that came into a church service and killed at least 5 people yesterday.  sad


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And now this....

DHS Advisor was Present at Omaha Mall During Shooting

By Mickey McCarter, HSToday Washington correspondent

An advisor from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) was present at the Westroads Mall in Omaha, Neb. during the attack by deranged 19-year-old gunman Robert Hawkins on Wednesday, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff revealed at a press conference yesterday.

http://www.hstoday.us/National/DHS/2007 … ooting.cfm

Re: It isn't so much that there was yet another shooting, so much as...

Also a second shooting in Colorado yesterday, this one in Colorado Springs.

11 (edited by lyra 2007-12-10 17:30:16)

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Prances Fences wrote:

Very interesting, Lyra.

I just so happen to be watching the news last night (I know - WHAT was I thinking!?) and here in my city there was a guy that came into a church service and killed at least 5 people yesterday.  sad


An interesting tidbit with the Colorado shooting.........in the Yahoo news story I just found, where they reveal the supposed identity of the shooter of at least one of the churches, they emphasize not once, but two times in the article that he was home schooled in a strict Christian family.  It's interesting because they're obviously trying to establish a link between home schooled kids being unstable loonies that just might flip out and go shoot things up.

Now, here's the connection.....maybe about two weeks ago or so I was reading an article on Rense.com I believe, talking about how many conservative Christian parents in California are pulling their kids out of public schools and home schooling them in light of new legislation to push gay/lesbian studies, stuff that would make it mandatory to teach kids to accept homosexuality, something that many parents believe has no business being on the curriculum in a public school, and all that jazz.  The article went on to say that these Christian churches are handing out how-to instructions to teach parents how to go about home schooling their kids in protest of the homosexuality curriculum.  The article made it seem like kids were being pulled out of school en masse, enough so that it's going to hurt the schools financially and put up flags.

I read that and had the distinct thought, "I wonder how long the powers that be are going to allow home schooling to be legal."  'Cause you know that's the next thing to go - parents having options in terms of how their children are being raised and taught.   If their aim is to turn this world into something akin to "1984," then home schooling where parents are in charge of what's going into their kids' minds........and bodies.........(ie, vaccinations, etc.) is going to have to go, I mean, you can see this one coming.  This is slightly off topic, yet still related enough that I'm mentioning it, because I'm seeing in this article two stressed references to the shooter being home schooled.   Ding ding ding.  Light bulb.

Yahoo article wrote:

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The gunman believed to have killed four people at a megachurch and a missionary training school had been thrown out of the school a few years ago and had been sending it hate mail, police said in court papers Monday.

The gunman was identified as Matthew Murray, 24, who was home-schooled in what a friend said was a deeply religious Christian household. Murray's father is a neurologist and a leading multiple-sclerosis researcher.

Five people — including Murray — were killed, and five others wounded Sunday in the two eruptions of violence 12 hours and 65 miles apart.

The first attack took place at Youth With a Mission, a training center for missionaries in the Denver suburb of Arvada; the other occurred at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, where Murray was shot by a security guard, though investigators said he may have died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

"Through both investigations it has been determined that most likely the suspect in both shootings are one in the same," police said in court papers.

Colorado Springs police said the "common denominator in both locations" was Youth With a Mission. The training center maintains an office at the 10,000-member church.

"It appears that the suspect had been kicked out of the program three years prior and during the past few weeks had sent different forms of hate mail to the program and-or its director," police said.

In a statement, the training center said health problems kept Murray from finishing the program. It did not elaborate. Murray did not complete the lecture phase or a field assignment as part of a 12-week program, Youth With a Mission said.

"The program directors felt that issues with his health made it inappropriate for him to" finish, it said.

Police gave no immediate details on the hate mail. And the training center said that Murray left in 2002 — five years ago, not three — and that no one there can recall any visits or other communication from him since then.

Earlier Monday, a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity said it appeared Murray "hated Christians."

Investigators have not said whether Murray singled out his victims. But the two people killed at the church — sisters Stephanie and Rachael Works, ages 18 and 16 — frequented the training center, their uncle Mark Schaepe of Lincoln, Neb., told The Gazette of Colorado Springs.

Authorities searched the Murray house on a quiet street in Englewood on Monday for guns, ammunition and computers. No one was home when a reporter visited the split-level brick home early Monday. Murray's father, Ronald S. Murray, is chief executive of the Rocky Mountain Multiple Sclerosis Center in Englewood. 

Matthew Murray lived there along with a brother, Christopher, 21, a student at Oral Roberts University in Tulsa, Okla.

A neighbor, Cody Askeland, 19, said the brothers were home-schooled, describing the whole family as "very, very religious."

Christopher studied for a semester at Colorado Christian University before transferring to Oral Roberts, said Ronald Rex, dean of admissions and marketing at Colorado Christian. He said Matthew Murray had been in contact with school officials this summer about attending the school but decided he wasn't interested because he thought the school was too expensive.

Police said Murray's only previous brush with the law was a traffic ticket earlier this year.

Senior Pastor Brady Boyd of New Life Church said the gunman had no connection to the church. "We don't know this shooter," Boyd said. "He showed up on our property yesterday with a gun with the intention of hurting people, and he did."

The gunman opened fire at 12:30 a.m. at the Youth With a Mission center. Witnesses said the man asked to spend the night there and opened fire with a handgun when he was turned down. They described him as a young man, perhaps 20, in a dark jacket and cap.

Later, at New Life Church, a gunman wearing a trench coat and carrying a high-powered rifle opened fire in the parking lot and later walked into the church as a service was letting out.

Jeanne Assam, a church member who volunteers as a security guard, shot Murray, who was found with a rifle and two handguns, police said.

Assam said she believes God gave her the strength to confront Murray, keeping her calm and focused.

"It seemed like it was me, the gunman and God," she said at a news conference.

The pastor credited her with preventing more bloodshed.

"There could have been a great loss of life yesterday, and she probably saved over 100 lives."

Boyd said the gunman had a lot of ammunition and estimated that 40 rounds had been fired inside the church, leaving what looked like a "war scene."

About 7,000 people were in and around the church the time of the shooting, Boyd said. Security had been beefed up after the shootings hours earlier in Arvada, he said. The church had a total of 15 to 20 volunteer security officers inside at the time of the attack, he said.

Some members of the congregation reacted with compassion and forgiveness, in keeping with their faith.

Ashley Gibbs was getting into a car with David Harris when they heard the gunshots. They stayed in the vehicle.

"It was obvious that he was in some sort of pain and going through a lot," Gibbs told "Today." "I just prayed God would bring him peace."

New Life, with a largely upper middle-class membership, was founded by the Rev. Ted Haggard, who was dismissed last year after a former male prostitute alleged he had a three-year cash-for-sex relationship with him. Haggard admitted committing unspecified "sexual immorality."

The two people killed at the missionary center were identified as Tiffany Johnson, 26, and Philip Crouse, 24.

Johnson, who grew up in Chisholm, Minn., loved working with children and wanted to see the world, said family friend Carla Macynski.

"Tiffany was a well-liked, easygoing 26-year-old. She was friendly, adventurous and a definite leader," Macynski said as she choked back tears. Johnson had traveled to Egypt, Libya and South Africa with the missionary group.

Crouse, of Alaska, was a former skinhead who went through a dramatic spiritual conversion at 18. He had helped build a foster home at a Crow Indian reservation in Montana, said Ronny Morris, who works with a Denver chapter of the mission.

"Whenever somebody asks me to give a specific situation where a kid's life has been changed or transformed, I always think of Phil, because he had such a radical transformation of life," said pastor Zach Chandler in Anchorage, Alaska.

Youth With a Mission was started in 1960 and has 1,100 locations with 16,000 full-time staff, said Darv Smith, director of a Youth With a Mission center in Boulder.

The Colorado shootings came days after a 19-year-old gunman opened fire at a busy department store in Omaha, Neb., killing eight people and himself.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/church_shoot … pBYgms0NUE

And of course this one was in Colorado Springs, which is south of Denver, aka, Columbine.  Colorado is supposed to be crawling with military bases, above and below ground and mind control stuff galore.  How "they" would have pulled it off, I don't know, (beaming stuff at the population?  ???) but it's in the same region, so you have to wonder.  And it always seems to be these certain regions that have this stuff happen.  Whether it's the Columbus Ohio sniper shootings, (think Wright Patterson Air Force Base); Salt Lake City (Mormon mind control central, more southwest desert nonsense); Colorado, (Columbine); Virginia Tech, with its Virginia military links; Oregon, (the '98 Kip Kinkel school shooting) an area that's crawling with weirdness, mind control, strange military and UFO activity and which I've already talked about here at NR and on my website.  Etc.  Etc.   There are always going to be exceptions, like the bizarro tragic Amish school shooting in Pennsylvania last year, but in general, so many times it's the areas noted for military bases and weirdness.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."

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Can someone elaborate on how these mind control tactics are carried out?  I mean do 'they' search out a particular person
and bombard him till he goes looney - or do 'they' saturate the atmosphere hoping it will trigger an unstable person to go nutty? ....

The mills of the Gods grind slow, but oh, how fine they grind.!

13 (edited by Prances Fences 2007-12-10 18:52:03)

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Damn Lyra, you're good.  Excellent points about the home schooling, and all the common factors with these crazy shootings and their locations' proximities to military bases.  The Columb connection, too.  WOW! (you know how I am - gotta give you kudos because you never fail to amaze.  Nuttin' gets past ya!  I swear if I ever need to hire a detective I'd definitely be willing to go broke contracting your sharp ass out. wink 

Shusaflyin, I don't know if anyone knows that for certain.  I'd guess they have the option of doing it so many different ways that they are probably doing both.  I'm not sure what the ratio of specifically targeted people/events are to random people that 'fall off' as a result of general exposure...but I'd bet they're both factors to some degree.  I'm not as well versed on this subject as so many others here but I do know that there's potential for mass control tactics everywhere you turn.  From all the genetic modification/processing/chemicals in foods, or from the stuff being sprayed in the air (which subsequently would easily affect the water supply), or from the electronic waves that are floating around everywhere, radio, television, computers and electromagnetic crap, microwaves - not to mention all the symbolism and subliminal crap in almost all media, electronic or otherwise.  You might not even have been asking all that, anyhow.  If you've never read Lyra's book Chasing Phantoms, it's on her website and it talks a lot about some experiences related to being specifically targeted by that sort of stuff.

Oh and Sunshine, how incredibly convenient about DHS being present at the mall in Omaha.  I'm praising Lyra over there but it's so funny how (as usual) once you start seeing the connections, all sorts of other obvious things seem to pop right up!!

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Well alrighty then!  Thanks for clueing me in SiriArc..I see I am only scraping the surface here of what you all have been talking about for YEARS!  I love it.  You guys are great.  Fantastic reads...I do notice numbers...seems 222 comes up for me all the time...I am sure I will be seeing the 141 connection from now on...what shall I read next cool

i'll see it when i believe it

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