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Re: My thought about music

ape-x wrote:

PhiConcept:

"I notice the urge to speed in my car while listening to top hits"

Me too.... right into an immovable object.
What kind of horrible crap are you listening to?

"Top hits"?
Gag me with a Casey Kasem.
It's simple guys, disregard the 'tuner' function. If temptation persists, snap the antenna off!

Good luck with all that.....           J

Thanks for the laugh dose ape-x.  I'm stuck with the radio, because I find it ridiculous to pay 30 bucks for 8 songs on a CD.  That's why I'd rather turn on the radio on whatever the top music is about these days.  Most of it is the hip hop type of ludicrous and other rapers along some rock stations.  That's the top hits stuff I'm talking about.  I wouldn't listen to it if they actually played some descent music on other frequencies.  Besides, the morning shows are more about funny dialogs than music, so I might get 20 minutes at the most per day of the top hits between the talkshows.

By the way, dials on the radio for the stations are made larger than any other dials for the purpose of listening to it.  As to the antenna dillema, unfortunatelly my car has it integrated into the rear window so it's impossible to unscrew, bend or all together break off.  big_smile

Peace, PhiConcept.

Re: My thought about music

PhiConcept wrote:
ape-x wrote:

PhiConcept:

"I notice the urge to speed in my car while listening to top hits"

Me too.... right into an immovable object.
What kind of horrible crap are you listening to?

"Top hits"?
Gag me with a Casey Kasem.
It's simple guys, disregard the 'tuner' function. If temptation persists, snap the antenna off!

Good luck with all that.....           J

Thanks for the laugh dose ape-x.  I'm stuck with the radio, because I find it ridiculous to pay 30 bucks for 8 songs on a CD.  That's why I'd rather turn on the radio on whatever the top music is about these days.  Most of it is the hip hop type of ludicrous and other rapers along some rock stations.  That's the top hits stuff I'm talking about.  I wouldn't listen to it if they actually played some descent music on other frequencies.  Besides, the morning shows are more about funny dialogs than music, so I might get 20 minutes at the most per day of the top hits between the talkshows.

By the way, dials on the radio for the stations are made larger than any other dials for the purpose of listening to it.  As to the antenna dillema, unfortunatelly my car has it integrated into the rear window so it's impossible to unscrew, bend or all together break off.  big_smile

Peace, PhiConcept.

30 dollars for a CD? Where do you buy your CD's at? Worst Buy?

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Gman wrote:

30 dollars for a CD? Where do you buy your CD's at? Worst Buy?

That's just it, I don't buy CD's because they are too expensive for my pocket.  Some CD's do cost 30 bucks, but my guess is that most cost 20 or so.  The older stuff probably costs much less at a second hand used CD's stores.  There is an idea, I might just visit one of these stores today.

Peace, PhiConcept.

19 (edited by Tom Paine 2007-10-07 21:13:25)

Re: My thought about music

The car radio is an avenue that resonates with ULF transmissions
regardless of what station you're listening to, and you don't know
what they're cramming into your subconscious since you can't
hear it consciously.
Better to burn your
own CD's with music that pleases you than listen to commercials
and trash music that the radio stations play.  And news?  Who needs
it?  Maybe traffic reports or weather reports, but all the rest of it?
It's all part of the loosh farming of our emotions.
Find someone who has a good music collection and learn what
good music really is.  Then you can start "mining" various artists/
performers/composers to hone in on what really works for you.

TP

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joeman wrote:

Music today is a lot different from the pre-industrial era. Your brain respond to that kind of music different from the music that is produced by record company.

To me that's the crux of this issue. Corporate media is designed for advertising and public relations which are forms of thought control. A "pop song" has a formula that musicians know as "Two and a half minutes, boy-meets-girl, boy-loses-girl, or boy-gets-girl and vice-versa". Generally the two-and-a-half minutes is to fit in the commercials. It is an aspect or type of consciousness that has acclimated to "song" format and "lyric" types of pop culture. The further you go away from the formulaic genres, the further you drift from the corporate mindset which 40 years ago discovered that "cool" is marketable and profitable once it surfaces from the "underground" subcultures.

nexus wrote:

Knowlege is power and in that spirit i offer this for anyone to take or leave...

Hmm... I'll leave.... especially with stuff like:

nexus wrote:

most of it moves the ego, especially since the voodoo rythym made it's way first into the precursors of jazz and then through that into rock n roll and all of it's derivatives since. Consider all the dis-chord inherent in a lot of the popular music and all of the wailing woe in the vocals. None of this originates in the soul or inner- spirit. It is born out of the self- love, self- pity and agression of the human consciousness and is therefore spiritless. It can only appeal to the same elements of the human consciousness in the audience. [Black] 'artist' and audience are one in group hysteria not in spirit. The voodoo rhythms of Africa were the inspiration for all their modern rhythmic derivatives in America and now the world. These rhythms force the energy DOWN the spinal altar into the lower chakras where they are expressed with unnatural force, forcing the chakras to turn and release the light energy in negative forms into the astral plane. .

Darn those pesky slaves for creating art to assert their spirituality and affirm their humanity in the face of legally-enforced murder, torture, rape, and degradation with nowhere to run or hide!! Maybe they should have come up with

nexus wrote:

some music like a lot of the classicals and ancient folk songs ... and a few bits and pieces of modern music.

Group hysteria, indeed. Which "group" named them "Black" in the first place? neutral

Sacred is the prayer that asks for nothing.
Seeking to give thanks for every breath we take.
Blessed are we inside this prayer
For in the New World we will be there
The only Love there is
Is the Love we make.
---- Prince

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scalaradii wrote:
nexus wrote:

most of it moves the ego, especially since the voodoo rythym made it's way first into the precursors of jazz and then through that into rock n roll and all of it's derivatives since. Consider all the dis-chord inherent in a lot of the popular music and all of the wailing woe in the vocals. None of this originates in the soul or inner- spirit. It is born out of the self- love, self- pity and agression of the human consciousness and is therefore spiritless. It can only appeal to the same elements of the human consciousness in the audience. [Black] 'artist' and audience are one in group hysteria not in spirit. The voodoo rhythms of Africa were the inspiration for all their modern rhythmic derivatives in America and now the world. These rhythms force the energy DOWN the spinal altar into the lower chakras where they are expressed with unnatural force, forcing the chakras to turn and release the light energy in negative forms into the astral plane. .

Darn those pesky slaves for creating art to assert their spirituality and affirm their humanity in the face of legally-enforced murder, torture, rape, and degradation with nowhere to run or hide!! Maybe they should have come up with

nexus wrote:

some music like a lot of the classicals and ancient folk songs ... and a few bits and pieces of modern music.

Group hysteria, indeed. Which "group" named them "Black" in the first place? neutral

Exactly, scalaradii.

Of course you all know this, but maybe it bears mentioning here: Shamans have regularly used drums and rattles to enter altered states/dreamtime/the otherworld, and to summon the spirits for who knows how long, in most cultures. I would imagine (though I can't give written references for this) that such was the origin of those African Voodoo rhythms.

Now compare those rhythms to Native American, old Celtic, traditional Chinese and Japanese, Middle Eastern, Eastern European, and tell me you can't find some similarities in them. These are all very different types of music, but the thing they have in common is that, like all art, they express a certain era or time frame, a certain attitude specific to the people who created them. You could call it, in other words, an expression of the collective soul of a people in a certain time and place, kind of like an auditory snapshot.

And music evolves as the people who create it do. I personally love the Mississippi Delta blues from the '20s and '30s. This is one of the first original forms of American music, a gift of those slave rhythms. It's dark, it's sad, but look what it came from. The Civil War was only 60 years in the past and racism was intense and nearly universal (see the rise of Nazism). Most everybody in the South was poor, and there was a depression on. The musicians were giving expression to the world they lived in. Now look at bluegrass music from that same time period, originating in Appalachia. Though this music is descended from English (Celtic) folk music, it's mostly dark and sad, too, with a little fundie religion thrown in for good measure. And the two different styles, when you listen closely, have similar tones.

Maybe another question we should ask about popular music is what does it say about the spirit and the time in which it was created? What does gangsta rap say about the soul of the society that created it, or New Age music, for that matter? Both have lineages going back to shamanic roots (one African, one mostly Anglo), but there's little soul remaining in either, IMHO.

Tom Paine is right, though. There is good music available which can still lift your spirits. Find it, burn your own cd's, and don't fall prey to the radio. smile

Cheers

Look... Wonder... Remember... Know

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..."don't fall prey to the radio"
Falvion are you insinuating the radio is predatory?

Oh yeah. And in some ways it's far worse than TV.
It is both Archetype Enforcement and Reinforcement.

Like scalaradii said, pump out a 3 or 4 minute AmericanIdol vocalvomit, sing about all the butterflies touching the morning dew on the mountainside.... and voila! You have a music career!

The more it tugs at fuzzy people's heartstrings, the quicker it'll sell. I think of it as fastfood "talent".
Mass-produced morons seducing other morons with songs I literally wouldn't wipe my @$$ with.

But the music shines in comparison with what is between the songs, stupid ditties you cannot escape. You can walk away from a TV, but radio has a seek and destroy element, because it's only audio. It's designed that way.

BTW joeman, whatcha givin' away??

  J

Happy to have been a part

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Scalaradii you have misunderstood me.   So have you Falvion.  I will grant you both that your misunderstanding is... well...  understandable.  Let's call it an "undermistanding" shall we?

See the nexus dictionary : "Undermistanding = an understandable misunderstanding."


When i wrote " [black] artist and audience are one in group hysteria, not in spirit",  i was NOT referring to race.

I apologise for my apparent ambiguity and i appreciate how the confusion arose.   Here is my rationale for using the words i chose.  Whether or not you agree with my rationale may be another topic altogether but i don't think so.  That's why i used it in the context of my metaphysical description of modern music and it's metaphysical effects on ourselves... notwithstanding how much it is enjoyed.

It's obvious that both parts of my statement are at issue in your replies...  ie. The meaning of "black" and, even more importantly once we've dealt with your 'undermistanding' of my use of the word "black", also my assertion that artist and audience are "one in group hysteria, not spirit."

But firstly, i was broadly referring to the "black arts" ... as in...  anyone [of any race] who manipulates energy [consciously or unconsciously] to do harm.   As you know i believe that most modern music is harmfull and i have explained why.  I referred to the musician as an "artist" because that is what they are called today.  I thought my use of the adjective "black" was usefull as a means of describing what kind of artist i am talking about at a metaphysical level.... NOT racial.

A "black magician" is a black artist because s/he practices the "black" arts not because they have black or white skin.   The black arts refer to the use and manipulation of energy not to any particular race.   The classic black magician manipulates others consciously through manipulating the flow and 'quality' [always negative] of energy.  But i don't believe the designation :"black magician": belongs only to those who are conscious of the harm they do.  The rock/pop/rap artist is no less a black artist [whether black or white skinned] than a self proclaimed "black magician" albeit [in most cases] the rock/pop/rap musician is an unwitting/unconscious one... at least while engaged in the deed. 

Black magic does not often appear with horns on it's head and with red candles on a black altar.   A sorcerer does not wear a tee shirt with the word "sorcerer" printed on it so that s/he can be neatly identified and put into our mental box.  For example, what the Federal Reserve bankers and most of Wall Street are doing is flat out sorcery on a global scale... [that is if you fully understand the cause and effect of their activities.]   But you won't identify them by a stamp ["sorcerer"] on their tie pins.  It may not be very helpfull either to call them sorcerers for the purposes of an economic debate.  But joeman raised the subject of music in the "spirituality and metaphysics" section so i believe a reference to the "black arts" in relation to modern music is not out of place.  Particularly when i explained how and why such music is a harmful, forcefull manipulation of our vital energies.  It is that explanation which, without trying to be off- handed about it, i suggested people could take or leave...  Knowing as i do how much folks love their favourite artists.   

The fact that voodoo and the associated voodoo rhythms arose out of a culture of black skinned people is irrelavent.  The fact that close derivatives of voodoo rhythms appear in contemporary pop/rock forms [by black and white skinned groups] is no indictment of the african people.  But it is a simple fact that the rock beat has it's genesis in voodoo rhythms.  There is nothing wrong with that only if there is nothing wrong with the rock beat.  I explained that i think there is. [ A couple of days ago i did a bit of editing of my posts to make myself clearer about the rock beat and it's effects.... not to mention what is layered on top of it.]   Anyway, the fact that pop/ rock music has made it's way into christian and other religious worship is also no indictment of religious people either.  My assertion is that none of it does them any good.  Rather, it is doing harm and they do harm by playing with it.  Culural practices are not virtuous by virtue of their antiquity, or by virtue of the color of people's skin, or, in the case of modern derivatives of voodoo rhythms, by virtue of the human sentiments expressed by particular classes of people either in the unfortunate role of victim/ downtrodden... or in the role of worshipped pop/ rock star.   I am not making judgements about those things on their own level.   Those things can be argued about forever.

I am describing the more important interaction between different kinds of music/rhythms and our psycho- spiritual nature insofar as it relates to the flow of energy at a metaphysical level.  I am more interested in that deeper cause and effect relationship.  Thatknowlege is power... or it can be.  I suppose i could have anticipated that the term "black" could be misconstrued and that my post could be argued with at psycho- social, political, racial, anthropological levels.  People can always raise defenses and justifications for one thing or another in support of historical social, racial, and political movemernts.  Thats all valid but i wasn't going there with this except to state a basic fact regarding the origin of the modern rock beat. 

But just generally, without fear or favour some things are clear to me...  They are things which i think should cause us to question ALL our own sacred cultural cows... including modern music.

For example, i think it went without saying in my last posts, given what i did say,  that what passes for 'spiritual' in all the arts, including music and all the various cultural practices worldwide is not necessarilly so spiritual.   Just because people use certain music/ rhythmic styles in particular rituals and dress in ritualistic fashion and perform certain cultural religious ceremonies does not mean the ritual or the dress or the music or even the experience they evoke is spiritual.   This is the case whether we are observing/participating in an ayahuasca ceremony, a catholic mass with all it's regalia, a tribal chest slashing ceremony, a christian rock worship ceremony, a foreskin removal at a bar mitzfah, or a rock concert where everyone has a candle.   

If it really was an unfailing indication of true spiritual in- joy- ment we would just need to take the right drugs and perform the right rituals, wear the right headress and be exposed to the right artists and sounds to realise our spiritual nature.  Just because people are sincere in their beliefs, no matter how long standing and culturally ingrained, that doesn't make them truly spiritual.  The exotic cultural/religious forms of different cultures are quite irrelavent in determining their essential spirituality or rather, their usefullness in realising spiritual consciousness.  I would say they are quite often a hinderance to self- realisation.  The person over your back fence may be more spiritual than the rest of them put together and he may even work at Walmart.  He also may not be. 

I am not saying that any one cultural practice defines a person but i am pointing out one [modern pop/ rap/ rock] that has it's negative effects.  If the socio- cultural considerations and personal attraction to modern music are more important to some people than the metaphysical then go right ahead.

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nexus wrote:

But firstly, i was broadly referring to the "black arts" ... as in...  anyone [of any race] who manipulates energy [consciously or unconsciously] to do harm.   As you know i believe that most modern music is harmfull and i have explained why.  I referred to the musician as an "artist" because that is what they are called today.  I thought my use of the adjective "black" was usefull as a means of describing what kind of artist i am talking about at a metaphysical level.... NOT racial.

Oh... I see now. My bad. Sorry, Nexus. hmm

nexus wrote:

But just generally, without fear or favour some things are clear to me...  They are things which i think should cause us to question ALL our own sacred cultural cows... including modern music.

I couldn't agree more with this. We never know anything at all unless we question absolutely everything.

nexus wrote:

For example, i think it went without saying in my last posts, given what i did say,  that what passes for 'spiritual' in all the arts, including music and all the various cultural practices worldwide is not necessarilly so spiritual...   

If it really was an unfailing indication of true spiritual in- joy- ment we would just need to take the right drugs and perform the right rituals, wear the right headress and be exposed to the right artists and sounds to realise our spiritual nature.  Just because people are sincere in their beliefs, no matter how long standing and culturally ingrained, that doesn't make them truly spiritual.

And in music, like so many other things, the real spirituality which may once have been there is lost. All we have left is the "dogma" of it, the empty form--at least, that's how I see popular music. It's all "sound and fury, signifying nothing."

So that's why I pick and choose and listen to music from other times and places. Or sing to myself (though I'm no singer). smile

Cheers

Look... Wonder... Remember... Know

25 (edited by tengberg 2007-10-09 09:20:50)

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there are the so-called artists that are on major labels and are big names like the pop stars and rock stars that grace the tabloids that make music that the media tells people is good.  that is the stuff that is make to keep us ignorant. 
they say things like:
oooh, baby.  i wanna sex you up.  take off your clothes.  let's get the party started.  throw your hands in the air.

and the overly aggressive, "punk rock", and other manufactured "rebellion" songs.
i'm not gonna be like you.  i'm my own person.  i'm an individual.  i'm a rebel.  i'm tough.

but there are others, probably those that aren't on major labels that are sincerely trying to send out loving and peaceful energy to their listeners. 
and the major label artists that are, they are expressing their ideas through words with hidden/double meanings or its the music itself that is doing the talking and the words are secondary.  or there are ideas so simple that the people can't see it, because it is so simple.

like the wilco song,

"what light"

If you feel like singing a song
And you want other people to sing along
Just sing what you feel
Don’t let anyone say it’s wrong

And if you’re trying to paint a picture
But you’re not sure which colors belong
Just paint what you see
Don’t let anyone say it’s wrong

And if you’re strung out like a kite
Or stung awake in the night
It’s alright to be frightened

When there’s a light (what light)
There’s a light (one light)
There’s a light (white light)
Inside of you

If you think you might need somebody
To pick you up when you drag
Don’t loose sight of yourself
Don’t let anyone change your bag

And if the whole world’s singing your songs
And all of your paintings have been hung
Just remember what was yours is everyone’s from now on

And that’s not wrong or right
But you can struggle with it all you like
You'll only get uptight

Because there’s a light (what light)
There’s a light (one light)
There’s a light (white light)
There’s a light (what light)
There’s a light (one light)
There’s a light (white light)
There’s a light (what light)
There’s a light (one light)
There’s a light (white light)
There’s a light (what light)
There’s a light (one light)
There’s a light (white light)
Inside of you

so beautiful. 
so truthful. 
and so simple, it gets dismissed as naive, especially by the so-called "critics" who only deride and mock what they can't themselves do. 
but those that understand appreciate it for what it is.

the right music can be a kind of salvation. 
and when you get down to it, some musicians make music because they want to do what they love and not work have to work at a minimum wage job that kills the soul. 
and if they are successful at it, and make music that inspires and makes the world a little better, more power to them.
the ones that do nothing but make lots of noise and scream "look at me!", they'll be forgotten. 
and if they keep making noise, maybe the more people will wake up and realize that they aren't saying anything at all.

-ERT

The "what should be" never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no "what should be," there is only what is. 
-Lenny Bruce

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If I seem a bit defensive about the value of music, I apologize.

But I am. That's because music is and has always been my esoteria. Many members will mention books, authors, or teachers they had when trying to offer a different view on things. Which is great, I have looked into many of those suggestions.

I must have a bit of a reputation as being a mad-lyric-dropper by now, and I promise I won't stop. wink I have a hard time with hearing about someone who has given up on music, it seems to me maybe they are not looking hard enough, or in the right places. I simply can't imagine life without music. I do acknowledge the importance of being able to intuit the effects of  what various types of music will have on different people. We've had a few very engaging discussions about that here.

We've talked about the ability, or trait of transmutating dark music, to light, and visaversa. I am one of those who finds pop-ish music to be horribly depressing and lacking in any originality. That doesn't imply that all dark music makes me feel good either. It is a tough one to explain.

I listen to almost everything, from Amon Amarth to Frank Zappa. The only genre I never acquired a taste for is Country. High doses of "artists" singing about their tractor, or their latest heartache, and their pickup truck make me want to chew concrete.

But I actually do like some kinds of Bluegrass, and real (original) Country. The difference is obvious to some of us. It's when these styles have been packaged, they are corporatized versions of what once came from the heart. To the robots, these would sound the same. But they are hollow non-reproductions that are having a damaging effect on the masses who can't make the distinction.

Classical music, as an example- I have an absolute appreciation for. But I don't 'like' it. It's not a sound that resonates with me, but at the same time I have immense respect for the composers and the performers alike. Especially because I don't have an ounce of musical talent. I could not read music or play an instrument to save my life.

I need music that is energetic, even intense. And if it's not intense, it must be complex, layered, and intricate. 

Which would fit the description or Classical music, don't ya know! But not me....

The lyrics to many metal songs, among other styles, have done more to open my eyes over the years to 'forbidden' things
than any book ever could. And I don't care if you hate metal. Read some Therion lyrics. Some Megadeth lyrics. Especially the album "Rust in Peace".

By the way, the name Megadeth comes from the desire to expose and defy a nuclear armed world's insanity. Mutually assured destruction, aka mega death.

"""don't judge a book by it's cover"""

I _guarantee_ you will take something from these words, and spare yourself from listening to the music that may not vibe with you.

I could go on, but some of the older members probably want me to shut the hell up already...... wink

       J

Happy to have been a part

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I have spend some more time to comtemplate on this issue.  I think my original position is too extreme.  Yes, I agree with some people here that one should not remove oneself completely from music.

A good music is the one that aids one's inner development or being.  I notice some music improve my emotional center as it evokes certain pictures and emotions in my mind.  Some complex music helps me evoke my intellectual center because it makes me want to analyze it (I used to study music theory, although not a music major.)

Some music can hinder your inner work.  Some music can evoke negative emotion or has hypnotizing effect like excessive base or can hinder your meditation.  My original concern came about after the fact that a lot of the music I listened to hindered with my meditation, but there are some music that doesn't do that or does that to a less extent. 

But anyways, I sorta changed my opinion about this, but I think people who are doing inner work still have to be very careful about their exposure to certain types of music.

John 10:34

Jesus answered, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, you are gods'?

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nexus wrote:

Rock music is a dumbing down of creativity and so it is ultimately dis- empowering.

I agree that some music is inherently harmful.  I think most if not all popular music today is inherently harmful.  But I have a problem with the statement about creativity.
Most modern music is not creative.  But many artists that could be considered rock who are not on the radio or any major labels are very creative.  When you were talking about the natural 4/4 rythm, I think that it serves a purpose but I don't see how the ONE two three four rythm can be tied in with creativity.  Staying in the 4/4 time seems to me like me like it's closing the doors for creativity rather than opening them.  The most creative artists I think are those that play in time and notes that are unpredictable.  I think that these artists open people's minds and get people thinking differently.  It let's your mind wander and think that there are different ways of doing things.
I find it hard to accept that the 4/4 beat promotes spiritual progress and spritiual progress promotes creativity.  I think only the latter is true.

And as far as finding good music out there today, it is definitely hard.  I don't think it can be found on the radio and most certainly not on MTV.  I generally look for the motivations and intentions.  Sometimes it doesn't even matter if the music is well put together at all, as long as you can tell that the musicians are playing with sincerity and with their whole hearts.  I find the most beautiful music doing random searches on the internet or going to free concerts.  You can find some of the most sincere, talented, open-minded musicians that way.
myspace.com/teramelos - I guess you could consider them rock.  You can't tell me this band is not creative.

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Has anybody heard about Jay-Z? I think with somebody like this about, the music industry is definately going to be affected:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3hl4YW4slE

I'm sure there are others like him about spreading whatever it is they put into music. You guys are definately right though. I listen to a lot of anti-government type music, so on the one hand it sets me free from the system, but also I feel incited to rip the system down which ultimately is not a positive thing, so i'll have to be more selective about what I listen to. Certain music has an uplifted effect, touching my inner being and true self I suppose. This is the kind of stuff I need. Any suggestions?

"I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me, and following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been."

30 (edited by nexus 2007-12-26 22:54:27)

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Fromthatshow wrote :

"When you were talking about a natural 4/4 rythym i think that it serves a purpose but i don't see how the 'ONE two three four' rythym can be tied in with creativity.  Staying in the 4/4 time seems to me like it's closing the doors to creativity rather than opening them. [...]  I find it hard to accept that the 4/4 beat promotes spiritual progress and spiritual progress creates creativity.  I think only the latter is true."

I wasn't suggesting that the natural 4/4 rythym [with the syncopation on the first beat] is the only natural rythym.  There are many others including the 3/4 time which is also the human heartbeat and which is found in some of the old world folk music and the Strauss waltzes... and many other rythyms eg. 2/4, 12/8 etc...  When we are in harmony with the universal forces, including the rythyms of life, our capacity to create is far greater than if we are working at cross purposes to it.  Harmonious influences can connect the creative soul to the creative spirit.  That growing connection is spiritual progress and out of it comes a creativity which can now barely even be imagined.   Conversely, inharmonious sounds and jagged rythyms are calculated to keep one focused in the human levels of consciousness and divorced from the higher creative spirit.  Some people are more vulnerable to that effect than others but it has it's effect on all and upon the earth as well.

I was attempting to explain that the 'corruption' of natural rythyms can hypnotise the listener [call it what you like] into a state where the light energy or lifeforce is raped from the chakras and nervous system.  Shifting the syncopations in musical time can be a great exclamation mark to change the direction of a song into a new musical section.  It can be used to great dramatic effect.  But settling into a groove [grave?] with the syncopation placed repetitively where nature does not place it, is the problem.  We humans have tremendous capacity for spiritual creativity [in harmony with nature] and for destructive behavior [at odds with nature].  Sometimes we "know what we do" but sometimes we "know not what we do".   The passions of the average person are usually well intended but are not always in harmony with universal forces.

We now know [eg. from water crystals] that some sounds reproduce the geometry of life in beautiful patterns and that other sounds distort the divine geometry of life.  That is, some sounds represent the harmony of nature's patterns and others 'corrupt' them into ungeometric forms.   Spiritual energy flows freely through geometric forms and is to some extent damned by ungeometric forms.  Energy flows through all forms and can have either a benign or malignant effect.

When natural rythyms are 'shuffled' around for the purpose of forcing our vital energies to move against natures intended flow, then a disintegrating effect on the human organism results.  Subtle energies bathe the CNS and organs including the medulla oblongata and these energies can be forcibly sloughed off by the force of some rythyms.  The rock beat is one of the main 'offenders' in western society.  It's playing in the hospital when you are born... it's all over TV, movies and commercials... it's all over you while you shop.... it's in schools now... it puntuates virtually all of life's human milestones and you will probably be buried with it at your funeral.  It now totally saturates western culture and it's influence is virtually inescapable.   People can no longer refuse to participate in it unless you switch everything off and stay home.... not dissimilar in that regard to tobacco smoke in past years.

Like any addictive human activity the process of losing the lifeforce is very enjoyable because energy is flowing from the chakras in a heightened sense.  Energy in motion [emotion] is the reward for participation.  "Just make me feel alive... i don't care how long it lasts... i can always come back for more".   The energy is flowing down the spine and down the drain. [sometimes in a hysterical and violent release].  The chakras are turning and releasing energy.  Even though you feel temporarily energised it is a net loss to you and a net gain to the feeders in the astral realms.   Death is not always a bitter affair.  It is made as sweet and desirable as possible so that it is defended more than life.  It is self administered with the desire of a true lover for the beloved.

But i'm not black and white in my own analysis of modern songs.  The rythym is one influence in any piece of music.  I often find layered influences at cross purposes to each other in the same song.   ie... The rythym may be natural while some of the instrumental is discordant ... or vice versa... and then someone with a reasonable personal vibration singing over the top.  Or, some gutteral fiend might play with your emotions with the sweetest intro, before decapitating you with a violent assault to the senses.  When unnaturally  syncopated rythyms are mixed with distorted, discordant instumental sounds and topped off with some beastial wailing woe of a vocal, it can tear you to shreds at the more subtle energetic levels of being.  And the physical atoms themselves are being hammered for all they're worth.  I am attuned to that now and no matter how good the themes might be in a song or a band ... they have lost me if what they produce does not respect the flow of life within me.  That's one way to put it.   Sometimes it can't be avoided though.