Sharing pain (Page 1 of 2)

Antaeus, the reason you're feeling your throat ache when you hold in your emotions is that the throat chakra is about expression and speaking your truth. Maybe when we get "lumps in our throat," that's actually the emotions rising, waiting to be let out. And if they're not expressed, your throat gets tight, maybe even hurts.

I know that when I hold in what I'm feeling around other people, it's usually an issue of trust. I don't want to be that wide-open even in front of my good friends most of the time, and this is a lifelong project that I'm working on. On the other hand, it's not always appropriate to "wear your emotions on your sleeve," as my dad would say. There are times when it's better to wait for a calmer moment to speak your mind. This is just simple self-control. Yet that doesn't imply keeping everything to yourself forever. It's a matter, as always, of balance.

I know you've probably heard this a million times, but it's true--if you have trouble expressing things verbally, try keeping a journal. It really does help.

Cheers

What a gigantic run-on paragraph that was... whoops!    You can get away with that if you are interesting.  You've gained a lot of insight from observation.  I think what you described is not an uncommon thing in America.  Even though I don't like the, "give them a pill" mentality, your family still has merit for addressing a problem.  She found a way of living her life.  And you found a way of doing more than following her.  You know what your free will is.

And Falvion gave a concept about the throat chakra.  You know, as soon as I read that, I got a memory of the ending scene of the, "Gladiator" when Maximus was lying dead in the arena with the Emperor's sister kneeling over him.  She put her hand to her forehead.  What do you say about that?

Joeman, hi.  No, not a pharmacist.  America is unbalanced in a way that China isn't.  We reacted to dogma in a severe manner.  I would say, just guessing, well actually I don't want to name a point in time when we started doing this, but we had men of intelligence who simply started using scientific format for understanding Reality.  I'm being extremely concise, so my point will be very weak, but, what we did was get rid of a lot of valueable religious and philosophic wisdom when we went to science.  I believe that science, religion and philosophy are intrinsic to each of us as we stumble towards the Truth.  We are way too involved in science and have been neglecting the other two, especially religion.  That is why I study Theosophy, it will not condemn any religion, for it has found that Universal Principles exist in everyone of them.  It is just that some principles get more attention than others, depending on the many differences inherent among the many different races of the world.  I found this thing called Anthroposophy too.  Just recently I came across it.  It is a lot of reading though.  I've been reading Rudolph Steiner's articles concerning the period between death and rebirth.  But this subject concerning the palladium has me right now.  My teacher in Theosophy has had the whole month of August off for vacation.  I'm going to try to get in a jibe concerning how old she must be to rate an entire month of vacation time.

Prances Fences...You nailed it on the head for me, talking about your mother.  I have a friend who was diagnosed two yrs ago, as bi-polar. Ive watched her have her meds changed a gazillion times, her choice by the way, because" it wasnt doing what it was supposed to do". Oh yeah, and the completely irrational, compulsive behavior, is explained away, because, "the new meds havent kicked in yet". So she calls it "having a note", she thinks she's allowed to be compulsive and irrational, because she has a disorder, so we all have to forgive and forget when she has her "moments". Being on meds as far as I can see, has not  helped her at all, other than give  her an excuse for her past or present indiscretions.  Oh and one of her other friends, at age 36, determined she is ADD, so she went on meds for it.  I mean, come on.....

I wasn't trying to promote a ban on prescribed medications by psychiatrists and psychologists.  I was just saying that somewhere inside each person there is that which is sought.

Falvion, I think there are two chakra's in the head.  It is something I have looked at but kind of set aside for a bit.  One thing I stick with from Gurjieff, is that kundalini warning.  Through imagination I can conjure all kinds of concepts concerning what I may be and in fact, I'm just living in a body using what I know to try and increase what I know, while working all the damn time, and not getting paid enough money.  Actually, I don't have any ambition anymore and have no complaints about my earnings.

I have found that though others might not suffer what I suffer, yet, they too experience suffering.  I've bourne mine for so long that I am capable finally, to remove my attention from it to witness it in others.  And feel.

My mom has never been monitored in the psychiatric ward... at least to my knowledge.  She does see a therapist from the mental health department of her hospital, which is of course the person who prescribes her medications.  She rarely drinks alcohol, so I don't think that's been a real factor for her... but she does take other drugs and medications that could be causing issues.

I too find this hard to understand.  It's so frustrating to watch people trivialize their behavior with the crutches of their disorder.  That seems to me to lead to indulgence instead of health or growth.  I guess I shouldn't be surprised about that 36 year old lady who went on meds for ADD... but I am.  I wonder how these people rationalize their pre-medicated states as intolerable enough to do this to themselves.  I think it's more likely they run out of excuses for the intolerable behaviors they have identified with for too long.  But I could be overly judgmental about this just because of my own experiences.  I will give them credit for recognizing their problem, and trying.  They still confuse me, though.

That was well said, and thank you for mentioning the merit in my families attempts to address a problem.  I think that's a great point.  I do realize that people can become so lost in their own heads that they do seem to lose touch with their real feelings and motivations.  It is a huge step just to recognize that you have issues, and seek the best way to deal with them.  People do need help sometimes, and when they don't know where to turn it makes sense that medication would seem like a good idea.  I just wish that wasn't the first place people turn to for answers- because I think there are plenty of other options that people don't seem empowered enough to recognize.

I like your tag Antaeus. Thats a very good quote.  I might add that not having all the proper information makes one perpetuate a situation by just being in the dark. I was on all kinds of medications for anxiety and bi polar disorder a few years ago. I had massive panic attacks and mood swings and I thought I was doomed for life. No I wasnt saved by jesus or scientology. After years of suffering and thousands of dollars of medical bills and pills like xanax, valium, remeron,flurazepam,buspar and more I finally found somthing that cured me completely.

The point being, I was ignorant of what anxiety actually was and my choices during my anxiety years were nothing more than habits that my brain learned over time and eventually my amygdala was on constant autopilot. A lot of people simply DONT KNOW certain things.  I try not to hold it against people. I had a friend that thought she had a disease called anxiety and I could not convince her to just try the method that I discovered and cured myself with. She eventually overdosed on xanax, and so did her boyfriend who was my best friend at the time. 

I can only share this information with people that are trully looking and WANT somthing else other than medical opinions and reassurance that they are not crazy, dying and so on like I always did when I had panic. I have found that physiology and psychology go hand in hand and that little tid bit of information is part of the method that I cured myself with.

BTW it's called the Linden Method and I shamelessly promote it when I can because it literally saved my life. No religion, no drugs, no doctors. Just a very simple method created by a man who himself had suffered with anxiety ,ocd, panic and phobias for over 25 years and discovered a cure ALONE. Obviously in this case personal experience and bravery is what ultimately caused Mr. Linden to discover the cure through reverse engineering. 

I just felt I had to bring this up because I have my own thoughts of Big Pharma, doctors, and the medical industry as a whole because they NEVER helped me while I was suffering. Sure I had brief moments of relief when I was on xanax and valium, BUT it only made it worse. Its like putting a bandaid over an offensive wound which only allows it to get infected and go septic. That is exactly what happened, I just got worse and worse until I thought I was going to just be crazy forever.

Here is a video with Charles Linden. http://youtube.com/watch?v=kUCPVx3hieg

Watch the testimonies of the other people who cured themselves also. THeir stories are very close to mine in that they thought they were basically doomed for life and very very desperate.  I cured myself over two years ago and am completely 100% panic and anxiety free. No more fear, no more dreadful sensations, no more disturbing thoughts etc etc. It's all gone and can never return because I KNOW THE TRUTH! Actually, Charles explains in the method that once he cured himself a strange sense of clearity came over him and has been with him ever since. I says that almost every sufferer that cures themselves reports the same kind of thing, and I'm one of them. I feel stronger for having been through what I've been through, and I love the opprotunity to help others who are feeling weak and ridden with anxiety. It's almost like I can just give them my wisdom of what it is, where it comes from, and give them the information nessesary to turn it around.

I tried going to an anxiety chat once and I was trying to tell everyone about this method and one guy posted and said " how much are they paying you for this? This can't possibly work. It's too good to be true and you should be ashamed filling peoples heads with false promises". Go figure. In my opinion, and please allow me to express my anger here, there is too much information out there on anxiety, panic, ocd, phobias and the like that are just plain wrong and it upsets me greatly to see these other videos on youtube and these websites that are going about the whole thing all wrong. Listening to a doctor or psychologist talk about this issues really REALLY pisses me off. I recently tried telling a doctor who specializes with these conditions and after all I told him, and after everything I showed him he still said " yes but you need to understand that being a good marketer and seller of a product creates a placebo affect".  I tried not to get too angry, and I even sent him my method pack because I do not need to use it anymore. He was very thankful for that and said he would even give it to his next patient to measure the results.