Weird knowledge comes to my mind (Page 2 of 3)

Jesus was the first of the rebels, the anarchists attempting to break the control matrix.

You read the bible and new testament on different levels of perception, according to your understanding.

The Christ Consciousness is the real aspect of the bible (from Genesis to Revelations).

Adam and Eve were symbolic, maybe Jesus was, but the Adamic stories are symbolic of Humanity, and the story of Jesus, is symbolic of the Christ Consciousness, with words of truth (pearls of wisdom) to be found for the discerning reader. Surrounded by chapters upon chapters of total and utter BS.

I'm not a bible basher, I'm a control matrix smasher. The Christ Consciousness rocks.

What if the biblical account of Jesus is not "entirely" correct but is "partially" correct?  See, if you insist, as christians do,  that it must be totally true or totally false you could miss something either way.  Given that the biblical record is difficult to understand, if you believed it was totally, literally true then you would probably have to put your faith in some external "expert" authority to interpret it for.  We know what literal interpretations and self appointed experts have brought us over 2000 yrs.  If you believe the bible is totally false how would you account for the deep truths that can be found in it? 

No literary work in the material plane is 100% true because it is written by imperfect human beings and it may even be tampered with by additions and editing.  So if you apply blind faith to any exterior piece of work you are avoiding your personal resposibility for spiritual discernment.  Ask yourself this question : Do you apply the same absolute standard to any other literary [or other] work?   Have you applied it to NR?  Clearly you haven't dismissed Noble Realms so you must not have insisted that all the threads here are totally true or totally false.  Good move.  It's a profitable approach to life's mysteries.

Christians try to get us all uptight with an absolutist approach to scripture, based on their own literal interpretations of course.  They claim it's "all true" or it's "all false".  That's a false dichotomy we should never fall for if we are looking for reflections of truth wherever we can find them.  Christians insist on this false dichotomy based on their own mis-interpretations because they want to sever you from the many other literary sources of truth.  They may be well meaning in that but they merely capture you in an institutionalised box... the church... and a mental box... in which you believe life's mysteries can be reduced to simple formulas of belief.  Open the window, let the breeze in and transcend the boxes by understanding them.  To do that sometimes you have to enter them.

I see what you are saying. But I believe you are mistaken in that the very reason why Christians are so adamant about the literal interpretation of the bible and the story of Jesus is the very radical nature of what Jesus of the bible (and the whole bible) says. He said: I am THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE. Anyone reading these words is faced with a very definite choice - either accept these words at face value, or reject them totally. This choice is implicit in everything the bible says - you either follow Christ, taking your cross upon yourself, even to the point of death, after which you will be an eternal servant of the Tyrant god who is insatiable when it comes to praise from his own creations, or you are automatically enlisted into the army of the devil and your ultimate destiny is the lake of fire.

The bible does not allow for anything in between. NR on the other hand, is a community of free thinking people who come people here to discuss fringe subjects in hopes to get some answers to the weird stuff that happens all around us. No one here (there may be exceptions, though) demands absolute loyalty to any one point of view.

I agree that there maybe various sources of truth. But I believe some sources are not worth exploring because the amount of lies is far greater and if you are not careful enough they can mess you up to the point at which you will no longer be able to tell them apart. The bible is like Nazi propaganda about other inferior races  - it presents it's ideas in an either/or fashion without possibility for dissent. And as such it is mainly a tool of manipulation that someone very clever came up with.

I agree with you GenSek that the bible is a mixed bag and that today there are many better sources of spiritual truth.  Yes there are distortions in the bible and if you're not careful you really could get messed up trying to tell the difference between lies and truth and of course the misinterpretations which christians perpetuate.

Your Quote... "I AM the way the truth and the life"... is not as simple as it appears to you at first glance.  The christians have misinterpreted and misrepresented this and countless other statements by Jesus and others.  Once you have seen enough of the authentic interpretations of what Jesus meant by his statements then if you did read the bible again you would see it all much differently.  The bible wouldn't be such a minefield for you.  I've been interpreting these statements (and discovering the interpretations of others) and including them in my posting on various threads here at NR for about 9 months.  Maybe you came across some of them? 

At this stage you may be completely disinterested in the subject and that would be understandable but if you remain curious at all you can find some of these authentic interpretations in many of my posts but three NR threads come to mind now:

1) The Science of the Spoken Word SOUND - spirituality section
2) George washington - history section
3) Debunking Jesus - spirituality section?

There are quite a few others too and they all deal with Jesus true teachings... ie.  The "Son of God" is the christ- consciousness individualised inside each one of us.  Therefore Jesus is a brother to emulate, not a God to worship.  Jesus taught this himself but his true teaching was distorted for the purposes of mind control.  Christians have reduced salvation to a simple formula of belief in Jesus in order to get to "heaven" yet Jesus taught that "the kingdom of heaven is within you". ie. "the consciousness of God is within you" and by developing the inner- spirit we too can be spiritually transformed and ascend as Jesus did.  There is much more to it and once you start to uncover the real Jesus you begin to appreciate that he is one of the best ancient examples you will find,  teaching what we almost take for granted today about our selves and our quest for spiritual truth.  That a path of self- mastery has been taught for millenia by Adepts of the spirit is a wonderful thing to discover and it's been right under our noses all along... right within us and right within the pages of scripture east and west.

Christians are bamboozled by Jesus true teaching and they almost always deny it when they are confronted by it.  Some people would rather a watered down christianity than the true Christ.  I have other links if you are interested.  Cheers GenSek.

You got it Millsley!

Romans 10: 9-10 is contradicted by the truth which can be put together from a broader and deeper reading of the New Testament and your own meditation on the word.  Quite a lot of good work has been done showing how the old books have been edited and tampered with and anyone who looks into the subject with an open mind will find that conclusion inescapable.  Once that is determined then it stands to reason that some scriptural passages have been removed (see the apochrapha) some have been distorted and some have been invented altogether. 

You say there is NO way the truth can be separated from the lie.  There is a way but it cannot be done by an intellectual immersion in the "letter" in the mistaken belief in it's infallibility.  Exterior things are imperfect and a healthy scepticism is therefore valid.  Only by a willingness to investigate, to learn and attunement with the inner- spirit can truth be known.  The inner attunement with the spirit of truth is "the way" which Jesus taught.  He taught us that that inner spirit "will teach you ALL things".

The inner- spirit (which Jesus came to re- connect us to) is the only true location of truth.  Right within us.  We can only discern the truth about anything exterior, including the meaning of scripture, by that interior light... "rightly dividing the word" as it is written.  That intuition can be developed as the guide to truth in all things, including scripture.  In that way you have to decide if what is put in front of you is truth.  What is the meaning of what is written?  Is it literal or are there deeper levels of meaning?  And what is merely a foreign installation of false doctrine?  The old books of the bible are not exempt from that scrutiny and true discernment cannot be accomplished by the intellect alone.  Yet you have to decide for youself what is an authentic interpretation.  As described above, the bible places the onus on ourselves to do that.   A fair bit has already been written over the past ~130 years or so which sheds light on the subject but again the question of authenticity is inescapable when reading any book and the onus is rightly on oneself to discern what is true.

The first step is easy but christians won't take it no matter how much evidence you put in front of them.  You've taken it yourself GenSek.  You know that the bible (and virtually everything else) is not completely true.  The next step which christians cannot / will not take is to then separate the wheat from the chaff in the bible itself.  This task cannot be achieved in a day but is made possible over time by separating the wheat from the chaff in ourselves.   That is an ongoing process.  I guess just read some of the work i can link you to (including outside links if you want them) and come to your own conclusions about it.  That's the only way.

No mixed messages there. My inner spirit tells me that the whole bible is full of it and it is not worth trying to dig a few pearls out of it.

Nexus' inner spirit tells him what is truth in the bible and what has been inserted there by evil manipulators.

Your inner spirit tells you that the scriptures are means to the truth, yet the majority is far too inferior to be able to reach your level of enlightened knowledge.

John Doe's inner spirit tells him that he should re institute polygamy as in the Old Testament and that it is the only way to find salvation.

Obviously, when the only criterion of truth is what YOU feel is true, then there is no point in any discussion. Case closed.