Hypnotic Resonance (Page 1 of 2)

zen,
The Castenada quote, which I think might be "self-importance is like a monster with a 1000 heads, you cut one off and another pops-up".   That could be what you're talking about.    Anyway, I agree with you on all counts, about the sustained force of will to hold a higher frequency.   Very good point. 

It would be nice if we could come up with some kind of technique or method to get that done.     The only thing I can think of from the work of CC that might help is stopping the internal dialogue.

I know that silencing the mind, from direct experience, can be an amazing ally in maintaining higher frequencies.

Just thought I'd drop this in....I hope it means something.

PH

Thanks for the additional points guys.

This post came about from the current stage of experience I've gotten to (as most of my posts are).  I've been able to fully stop conscious (brain) thinking enough times to finally see some of the cumulative effect.  I can still only do it for maybe 10-20 seconds at most.  It's about the hardest thing I've ever done.  Anyway, these seconds have added up.

I'm now able to see some of the contrast between our collective hypnosis and what I can best describe as seeing objective as-is-ness.  Of course, it does no good to see contrast unless you study it and use it for something.  It's not an attainment as much as it's just another step.

All 3 angles of perspective can be held at one time in real-time.  The hypnotic frequency of daily life, the inner stillness of objective as-is-ness, and the awareness of the vast contrast between the two states.  Some might think that stopping the inner chatter will lead to some numbness of being; some blissed-out-hippie-ganja-blank-stare persona.  From my experience though, that's just not the case.  It's a tool.  A study mechanism.  A way to see the reality of the situation in a different way.  A way to free the mind just enough to trully realize for oneself the paradoxical futility and wonderment of this particular "life" experience.

My mind thinks weird sometimes but I mean where else in the billions of years and vast expanse of the universe are you able to jump in your metal box on wheels and go to McDonalds to grab a big mac?  The trick is to do any old thing like that but without the memories and subjective identifications or judgements and with the deepest level spiritual concepts help as an overlay over the conscious perspective.

All this brought me to the actual real-time experience of the sheer density/heaviness of the Hypnotic Resonance of everyday society.  It's one thing to notice the grids of wires that form actual 3d boxes in cities.  --Stopping at a stop light and focusing just on all the power lines and telephone lines.  Then expand that out in the mind to cover a city, a country, a planet.  Add to the visual the underground telephone, coaxial, electrical, fibre optic cables, metal pipes, and running water.  The Grid.  The Matrix.--  Anyway, it's one thing to picture this is your mind and be aware of it all by default.  It's quite another to actually FEEL it due to the contrast between it and an alternative awareness that has been cultivated by Will.

I found that now, the scales are tipped at all levels.  It's now harder to choose this particular collective 3d mass-hypnosis over the alternative perspective.  Eleven years ago the hypnosis was the default.  It's almost to the point where the objective as-in-ness perspective is the default.  Almost.

PH,

I was in a zone there for a minute.  I just found the quote.

"...self-importance was a monster that had three thousand heads.  And one could face up to it and destroy it in any of three ways.  The first way was to sever each head one at a time; the second was to reach that mysterious state of being called the place of no pity, which destroyed self-importance by slowly starving it; and the third was to pay for the instantaneous annihilation of the three-thousand-headed monster with one's symbolic death."

Self-importance, the Ego, the Shadow Self, etc., to me, is merely a specific way of thinking.  If one could think every thought in infinite terms then the "monster" would be infinitesimally small.

But yea, no matter what route is taken it takes inner will.  Inner will takes a knowing of beingness.  A sense of self-responsibility.  A sense of honorable humility.  It takes cultivation.  Self-honesty.  Self-motivation.  And an acceptance of all that is self (aka self-forgiveness).

Stopping the inner dialogue has been a great tool for me.  Balancing all thought with their opposites has worked well.  Imagination of the 3d unseen adds a bit of depth to the perspective (visualizing the atoms, forces, molecules, air, etc that is 3d but that we can't see).  I've come up with a bunch of little things over the years for the purpose of both intellectual and awareness expansion.  I guess anything beyond the normal default thought pattern will add weight.

From what I can tell so far, the other ingredients are endurance (longsuffering) and patience.  It's easy to have both when one hold's the thought of "death at arm's length" in mind.  In fact, that "death at arm's length" concept helped me substantially years back when I was introduced to it.  I just ask myself, how important can this all be if we all die anyway?  Not in a nihilistic way of course.  But in a seeking of the intelligence that created this amazingly intricate and complex system of systems within systems overlapping systems.

Ive noticed with me if I can successfully get my internal "babbler" to shut up for a moment, I have trouble visualizing. Im hoping to replace "the babbler" with images.  Im finding it difficult not to have the dialogue going with images at the same time, though.

Tree Hugger, I have the same problem!  z3n3rg, will try some of your techniques.  Thanks.

Where are the limits of self? "an acceptance of all that is self"
includes the absolute need for this awareness, keenly felt.
No willpower needed to be manufactured in that case.
If the limits are only conjured by belief and conditioning, than there is really is no one behind it... all smoke and mirrors, otherwise that would be like the jailer freeing the jailed.
willpower is not necessary.

(will+power=ego). a stumbling block, improper understanding.
Use if you need to, but be aware you are using ego to combat ego and the result will be more delusions and disappointment.
Will is what STS is made of. Blind and hungry (for power).

"Seeing" is stronger than will because it takes so much less energy, what you do based on will, requires too much energy to sustain and you need it all to see effortlessly, the whole.
The "goal" is to live in this higher vibrational state is it not?
Then if you exert yourself till the end of time you will achieve nothing until you can do it effortlessly, without exertion, by mind/awareness not will.
desire for the truth is all that's needed along with persistence
To find one's true self, (or shed the thoughts/thinking that correspond to "lower levels") you should "want it" like a drowning man want air. When realized all wanting is vanquished, dissolves in light of awareness. just being. nothing extra.
Energetic state of efficiency=Self sufficiency

feedbaxlow,

Thank you for the points.  I can agree for the most part.  However, I'm unable to currently agree with the context and a few of the angles.

What you speak of is true if one was able to simply have that awareness with no steps to get to it.  It is the jailer freeing the jailed if seen from higher levels.  The issue comes for me because I was severely encumbered by the programs I installed in order to better engage this society.  It took a lot of work to clear those programs and get near that awareness of limitlessness that made it near automatic so that the will wasn't needed.  And will is nothing more than self-determination and sustained exertion of force to a desired goal.

I can't see a dichotomy since I can decide to use my will to assist self and/or others.

True.  But how do you get to that point?  I mean it's certainly possible to jump from programmed societal unit to a Seeing Being.  I wasn't able to do it though.  What I do know now is that all the effort working on self has paid off.  And I wanted to make sure I shared that so that others might be inspired to keep going.

That sounds like you are saying that if you exert yourself forever you'll acheive nothing.  But there's no related concept in my posts on this thread.  The exertion leads to effortlessness.  Like what I quoted here... "It's almost to the point where the objective as-in-ness perspective is the default.  Almost."

It sounds like you have gone to the end and from that vantage point now say that all the stuff to get there is unnecessary.  And you know what?  I know that is true.  For instance, when you have trully forgiven all others and self you realize there was never any reason for forgiveness.

But, I had to use all these tools to get to the point where the dualistic paradoxes were resolved.  I want to ensure that I share the tools and experiences in case someone else can use them.

I appreciate your insight.  I just wanted to ensure you understood which level I approached this thread from.  I wasn't able to tell from your post if you seen that.