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Thanks for sharing some of the amazing-sounding stuff from Cannon's book, Lyra. I'll have to check it out.

I think the next "wave" that's going to be surfacing amongst healers and people on the metaphysical path is definitely the practice of changing our view of time....moving into seeing time as holographic, so you can move through it via multiple points, instead of linear.  Methinks time is a much more elastic and Bizarro thing than we could possible suspect from our current vantage point smile

It does get weird when you think of alternative selves living in different branch off points and then  somehow there can be connections made across those points from our current self to those other selves.

I have a friend who had a wild experience in "3-d" that relates to this.

When she was a teenager she was in the middle of her first major love "affair" or relationship with a boyfriend.  He gave her a letter one day. She hadn't read it yet and it was sitting on her dresser.

She fell asleep that evening and had a weird experience. A being who looked a lot like her, only older, whom she somehow KNEW was her FUTURE SELF (or perhaps an alternate self, definitely an adult self) WALKED THROUGH THE WALL, walked over to the letter, took it, and left.  This self noticed that her teenaged self was lying in bed awake, staring and dumfounded, and before she dematerialized she smiled at her in a reassuring way as if to say that everything was okay. No words were exchanged, though.

My friend checked on the dresser after this vision dematerialized - although she didn't really think of it as a vision, since this person/self who had come in and taken the letter seemed fully physical and three dimensional - and sure enough, the letter was gone.  Nobody else had been in the room. 

As an adult, she has a theory that maybe there was something in that letter like a marriage proposal or a suggestion that would have changed her path in a dramatic way, and maybe that future self or alternative self KNEW this and was somehow able to travel back to her teenaged self and effect a reality shift.

Either way, it's pretty cool. It hints at the idea that we have the ability to make a retrocausal reality shift, altering elements of your past to shift the future.

My friend did end up splitting up with the boyfriend, I believe, shortly after the incident, although at the time she didn't think it had anything to do with the letter's contents.  But looking back on it and remembering the whole strange thing of seeing her future self materialize and take the letter, she now figures the letter MUST have been hugely significant in some way. Maybe the guy was asking her to run away with him or some stupid thing kids in love sometimes do, and she might have been susceptible to the suggestion and gone along with it in the heat of the moment and ended up pregnant and homeless or on the streets or something.

Who knows?

I don't remember having any visits from alternative selves or future selves, but I'm good at connecting with selves from past lives.  Shamanic healing helps you journey and connect with these aspects of you so you can heal soul fragmentation as it has occurred over past lives. Although many shamanic teachers aren't doing that level of work, they just focus on the current life.

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lyra wrote:

Another great aspect of this book, besides everything I wrote in my two earlier posts, is that it will change how you view time.   I was already aware about the nature of all time happening simultaneously, it was something I'd figured out on my own at 17 when I pondered the nature of some of my psychic glimpses into my immediate future that would end up happening, verbatim.  To me that indicated that in order to see the future..........................means that it's already happened.  You can't see something that doesn't exist, right?  Right.   But this book really hammered it home for me.   To the point where I find now that if I'm thinking or referencing something that was in the "past", I think of them as currently existing...in their own time.   It's not over, they haven't disappeared.  They're out there, in their own time.

Yes, I remember this occurring to me as well when I was reading the nostrodamus books. Almost as a side effect, the books were acting as a real life example of a concept that I was familiar with (3D time as an illusion) but still struggling to understand and incorporate into my personal reality. Not that I truly understand it now, but it sure helped.

As far as the lack of mention of transdimensionals and control systems, I think it is important to consider that Nostrodamus could only relate what he could personally conceptualize and the dialogue in the books makes it clear that he was already having problems putting terms to what he saw and add on top of that the language and time barriers. He does talk a lot about a "secret cabal" of people in control things behind the scenes and methods of manipulating events to control public opinion/perception. He also attributes a lot to what he calls the "antichrist", and this again would fall in with using the concepts available to him as a man of his time where the language and symbolism of christianity was pretty much all you had to work with in expressing thoughts of spiritual or unworldly things.

I do recall being slightly disappointed that there weren't more "smoking gun" predictions that have since come true since the series was written although there were a few good ones. He does predict a bomb at the pentagon, and bombs to New York City pretty accurately and also what is called the "hung jury election" which could stand for both Bush jr. elections.

Come to think of it that's pretty damn good, in retrospect, since I was reading the books around the time of 911, my disappointment probably stemmed from not getting more info I could put to direct use at the time, ha.

Another interesting thing I was introduced to through Delores Cannon's writings was the concept of imprints. An imprint consists of the information gleaned by a soul through the process of an incarnation which is essentially a record of an entire lifetime. According to the concept these imprints can be accessed by souls from a library for various reasons including those who have not previously incarnated on earth in order to gain a bit of knowledge on the way things work here in 3D earthland and can be accessed on a soul level but not in normal consciousness. Kinda fits in with the Akashic records thing. It also explains (almost too conveniently) why so many past live regressions claim lives of Joan of Arc or some other historical figure. Makes a lot of sense in a way though.

If you enjoyed the Nostrodamus books I might recommend "Jesus and the Essenes". It is a good read in the same way the Nostrodamus books are.

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I just love it, I love having this view on time.  It really expands things, and broadens reality.  I don't know about anybody else, but I've never been comfortable with being trapped into some limited little box, focused only on my immediate surroundings, not seeing anything bigger, not expanding beyond, only thinking of things in a limited, linear sense, and being so....simplistic like that.   So, these books are great for breaking out of those limitations, if you're not already there.

Hi lyra!

Yes. I have been considering the time issue for the last few nights and must say that it has been a fascinating couple of nights.

In the world of Control System and Instrumentation we have what we called a smart transmitter.  This measuring device requires 24 volts DC to operate and generate a 4 to 20 milliamp signal that can be scaled as an input in a data acquisition system.  But, far beyond the main measuring signal being provided there are a lot of other parameters superimposed (out of phase) on the current signal.  These parameters can be stripped and monitored when the right filters are utilized.  Wow, multiple signals superimposed on each other on one single wire.

Time is the same.  Past, present and future time frames are superimposed on each other but out of phase from each other.  Human beings are born predisposed to sync or aligned themselves with the time frame we called the “present” .  But this is relative “present”  for if we could connect with the future time frame and experience it the experience would become our present time.  Some of us are born with the ability to change phases and align with the past or the future whichever the case might be.  These people are the psychics, the ones that can experience a past event as it was happening this very same moment.  The same applies to future events.  A person with this capability is on the verge or beginning to experience the 4D realm.  I thought about this last night and concluded that the universal evolution goes from no time concept, then only present time, followed by past-present-future-absolute time concepts, then time is all relative to no time at all.  Let me explain.

1D

Rocks and plants.  These entities have no time concept at all.  This entity will evolve into an entity that will to experience a very crude perception of time.

2D

Animals.  I sense that animals have a rudimentary perception of present time but no concept of future.  Sometimes I sense that a very crude perception of past is experienced when they recall a bad experience or respond to negative reinforcement.  My opinion is that house pets are closer to 3D evolution than wild animals because their interaction with human beings and their time domain.  This entity will evolve into an entity obsessed with the concept of time (past, present & future) but is locked in one time frame; the present. 

3D

Human beings.  We live in the present, dwell in the past and agonize over the future not realizing all of it is happening at the same.  Some begin to realize that time is not absolute and that time traveling may be possible.  In this realm time is of up most importance for everything is measured in terms of duration and duration is depicted in terms of time.  Nevertheless, this entity is locked in a time frame called “the present” .  Some of these entities will begin shifting phases and synchronizing with other time frames for short period of times.  This entity will evolve into an entity capable of shifting from one time frame to another on command.

4D

In this realm an entity would be capable of traveling through time at will.  Time does not mean anything for this entity can be anywhere at any time.  All this entity knows is that it exist.  A 4D can move across multiple time frames (for lack of better words) changing situations and past-present-future outcomes, thus creating new possibilities, new frames superimposed on each other.  This entity will eventually evolve into a 6D realm.

6D

This entity is capable of seeing all possible frames instantly, the All-Knowing……GOD.  It encompasses all that was, is and will be.  All thoughts are contained here.

Enough for now, let me get back to my mushrooms.  Just kidding!

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34 Reply by dreamosis (edited by dreamosis 2006-02-07 10:12:08)

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I've been combing over the Nostradamus quatrains online.  Check out this one:

http://sacred-texts.com/nos/cen3eng.htm

Nostradamus wrote:

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New law to occupy the new land
Towards Syria, Judea and Palestine:
The great barbarian empire to decay,
Before the Moon completes it cycle.

It's possible, of course, to read into these things, but this one reminded me strongly of the recent rise to power of Hamas.

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Hi all, thanks for the posts and input.  smile

StephenM wrote:

It also explains (almost too conveniently) why so many past live regressions claim lives of Joan of Arc or some other historical figure. Makes a lot of sense in a way though.

You know...I always hear this sort of thing, but have yet to ever encounter this in all my years of reincarnation / past life regression research.  I've read a lot of material on the subject, and different authors who do the regression therapy, but I don't recall ever reading about anybody who claimed to be some famous historical figure.  If anything, it's like Dolores said...they're usually something mundane.  Because that's what the history of the world has been mostly populated by:  Everyday people leading ordinary lives.   Dolores even jokes that sometimes a regression session is just so boring and mundane, like she's ready to go to sleep just listening to it.  big_smile   So I'm curious why people say all this famous people claims are going on.....I guess somebody out there must be making those claims....but again, I've never read of one, let alone "so many."  !  hm.   


StephenM wrote:

As far as the lack of mention of transdimensionals and control systems, I think it is important to consider that Nostrodamus could only relate what he could personally conceptualize and the dialogue in the books makes it clear that he was already having problems putting terms to what he saw and add on top of that the language and time barriers.

Good points... you're right, this does seem to be the case, and is conveyed in the book.


dreamosis wrote:

I've been combing over the Nostradamus quatrains online.  Check out this one:...

The thing that came out in the book is that many quatrains were not just about one single event.  Many were in fact two, sometimes three separate but very similar events all rolled into one.  This would probably be the case with much of the material relating to Middle East political / war happenings.  So much of what goes on in the Middle East is just like this huge, repetitive cycle that never ends.  Just on and on, for thousands of years.  Neverending issues between the Jews and everybody else, endless fighting and warring over that area of the world.  It's ridiculous.   In the book Nostradamus did point out the time is like a spiral - and because of this, history repeats itself as we loop back around again and again.  So the quatrain you highlighted could in fact apply to several situations.

And cool story, Lipstick Mystic! smile  And nice summary of time through the densities, whywhywhy.

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...one more thing....

I just got back from my lunch break where I was reading more of the book, and now that I'm more than halfway through it, all I have to say is...

we are NOT on the same timeline anymore.    I believe that what Nostradamus was seeing really did occur...............but something got changed, BIG TIME.  According to him we should already have LONG been embroiled in WWIII with every major country in the world involved, nuclear holocaust, environmental / climate annhilation, greenhouse effect, mass death and destruction, Popes dead left and right, and total Anti-Christ up the wazoo.  I mean, ALL out craziness.

I'm looking outside the window right now and I see blue sky, bright sun, and pleasant life ambling along.

hmm.

Over and over, his prophesies, as he clarified them for Dolores in 1986, did NOT come to pass.  His version of our reality is literally, unrecognizable to what we actually have going on.

People REALLY need to stop and take a moment to ponder this when they're relying on Nostradamus quatrains to predict the future, or are looking to compare them to events as they come to pass.

Even the quatrain about the hung jury election isn't exactly fitting.  There was a hung election in 2000...but Nostradamus said it would cause a civil war in this country, and the Whitehouse would be "empty", figuritively speaking, with only a temporary interim fill-in as the country got things sorted out.  None of that happened.   In "reality", Al Gore took Bush and Co. to court, hiring Boise, Schiller & Flexner to represent him in New York, a firm I temped with briefly down in Florida, oddly enough wink wink (and which I said no to when they were begging me to hire on permanently as a "legal assistant" or whatever, working 10 hour days at a job I hated even as a temp...no thanks.  BLECH.  puke.  But I digress.)     Al lost, Bush won, and Bush moved into 1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, and that was that.  The end.  I mean, none of that craziness that Nost. saw came to pass.

Then there's the matter of the Popes.

And the anti-christ.

NONE of what he forsaw in these areas has yet to happen.  The anti-christ should already be out there in full swing, according to Nost's timeline.   A Muslim middle eastern man of extreme power and charisma, worse than anything Hitler did, with diobolical plans to take over the world.

Well...where is he??  ????

Which means, all those people who are looking at the Nost. quatrains to analyze the current and upcoming Pope situation (coughcoughGoroAdachicoughcough haha) and "Anti-Christ" happenings maybe should take pause. 

He was seriously seeing some other timeline.   And if we're now on a different timeline, then his prophesies are null and void, peeps.  We're not occupying the same world that he was seeing.

That aside, what's more interesting is the implications here.  Reading between the lines.  If we're not on the same timeline........................then what the hell happened?

hmmm....

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Hey Lyra, have read Dolores Cannons books. They were all very interesting, had a hard time putting them down. I have only read volume 3 of Conversation with Nostradamus, since that was all that was available at the time, but was able to just jump right in without reading the others.  Its pretty interesting she is claiming to be actually talking with THE Nostrodamus thru various channels, and he actually claims he SEES her! You never know!  Will be watching to see what you have to say when you are done reading! BTW, in the back of book 3 there is a sketch of the supposed ani-christ.

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lyra wrote:

we are NOT on the same timeline anymore.    I believe that what Nostradamus was seeing really did occur...............but something got changed, BIG TIME.  According to him we should already have LONG been embroiled in WWIII with every major country in the world involved, nuclear holocaust, environmental / climate annhilation, greenhouse effect, mass death and destruction, Popes dead left and right, and total Anti-Christ up the wazoo.  I mean, ALL out craziness.

I'm looking outside the window right now and I see blue sky, bright sun, and pleasant life ambling along.

hmm.

That aside, what's more interesting is the implications here.  Reading between the lines.  If we're not on the same timeline........................then what the hell happened?

hmmm....

Well, I was just reading "the book of life" and I read something and right away thought about this.

the book of life wrote:

Prophecy has been used in the several times in the space/time tube for some very important reasons.  Nostradamus came during a moment when the conditions in the tube were spiraling into chaos (i.e., we were not achieving our ascension goals) and the end-times was a mix of out of control natural disaster, war, disease and death that were reminiscent of Atlantis and symptomatic of a failed ascension attempt.  Nostradamus was a special spiritual emissart who came with a sort or progress report on conditions and an appeal to get things under control.  Nostradamus came and he essentially said, "get control of the mind mush NOW because you are not going to like what is currently happening at the edge of time"  Thankfully, we listened and managed to straighen out and fly right.  Armed with Nostradamus' foresight, and as one moment passes into the next, we were able to alter the conditions and change the future."

Voila!

Now the question is, What does the "future" hold? And what did we change it too?

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I've read all the Dolores Cannon books.  They are brilliant and easy to move through.

She began with the mystery school of the Essenes, Jesus, Prophecy, ET's, and then Cosmic information.

I found it powerful that Nostadamous called George Bush a tyrant before '92.  Who could have known at that time.  It wasn't even the same George Bush.  Still, it seems there are even more "Anti-Christ" personalities . . . well maybe.  I believe the bombing of Iraq in '03 may have been a turning point in manifestiing worldwide distruction, but what good is this now, but "limiting" human soul harvesting for the highest realms . . . those that supported the aggression . . . and still do.

Now maybe we can think again . . . and go back to the beginning Dolores Cannon spoke of . . . The mystery schools of purification.  Yes, it all begins with understanding love for all and the balance of male/female within.  A few people can acheive this balance within, and others through relationships and life.

I just love Noble Realms.  Reminds me of modern day Essenes with a liberal acceptance.  Maybe the members here will help many others reach the higher mansions a bit sooner.

Let us get back to vibrating to the fequencies of love.

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Has anyone here heard of this woman? She's the author of several books of supposedly channeled material from several different sources. I was in the book store the other day and happened upon her book entitled "Keepers of the Garden." The book details a man's regression hypnotherapy in which he talks about a lot of familiar NR topics -- ideas such as aliens from other realms (for which the book is named), alien abduction, and soul evolution. It's very interesting because the man in the book believes this is the first time he has lived on Earth (which would make him a 'wanderer') and talks about his lives on other worlds. I didn't buy "Keepers of the Garden" but I was very tempted to. The parts I read didn't contain any information I haven't heard of before, but it was one more additional perspective to read it from.

I was wondering if anyone has read Dolores's books or knows anything more about her.

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Yes, Dolores Cannon came up in discussion several months ago, here. Feel free to continue the discussion there, or start fresh with this new thread. The general consensus is that she comes off as very sincere and inquisitive, that her material is fascinating for gaining additional perspective on unusual subjects. Some, like myself, have cautioned that curiosity must be matched by an equal level of discernment, otherwise one can be easily deceived by trickster forces pretending to be positive. For instance, "The Collective" that speak through her various clients display several classic red flags that went over her head.

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D'oh! I didn't even think to search first. Thanks montalk!

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Shame I missed this thread the first time around. Now I'm playing catch-up with you guys. smile

I just read through "Keepers of the Garden" yesterday, my first Dolores Cannon read. Flew through it all in one day! I couldn't put it down.

I can't believe I didn't find Dolores's books sooner. "Keepers" is fantastic! I found the material very interesting. There were a lot of bits of information that filled in gaps that I had been wondering about for years. For some reason I really resonated with Phil, the hypnotee (is that a word? smile) of the book, and his whole story. It brought many subconscious feelings of my own to the surface, feelings I've not felt in many years.

The one thing that left me confused was how Dolores could be so gullible as to believe the part about abductions being 100% helpful and non-interfering to people, even after the horrifying accounts related to her by Phil. I was also surprised at how cunningly deceptive the source was at relating the abduction phenomenon as being beneficial to people, and how casually they swore they were of the utmost positive intent. There seemed to be no change in tone from the session dealing with abduction, from the sessions in the previous chapters that supposedly came from the same source. This made me a bit leery of what I'd just read only pages before with so much interest and openness. So I'm still playing with many of the ideas in my mind as to what may or may not be true from this book.

However I think it was helpful that I already had a skeptical and discerning view of the abduction process in my consciousness due to reading the Ra and Cassiopaean channels, as well as Karla Turner's "Taken." If I was reading Dolores's books as a primer or starting point for metaphysical concepts, I could see how one might be easily taken in by the deceptiveness of certain sources she taps. What I have personally noticed is that once you have reached a level of discernment in your mind on such subjects, you can read anything very openly and still be discerning, because your skepticism which is already in place acts as an automatic filter to such deception.

Tonight I start reading Convoluted Universe Book 1. This one seems just as interesting, if not moreso. Can't wait to get into it.

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The one thing that left me confused was how Dolores could be so gullible as to believe the part about abductions being 100% helpful and non-interfering to people, even after the horrifying accounts related to her by Phil. I was also surprised at how cunningly deceptive the source was at relating the abduction phenomenon as being beneficial to people, and how casually they swore they were of the utmost positive intent. There seemed to be no change in tone from the session dealing with abduction, from the sessions in the previous chapters that supposedly came from the same source. This made me a bit leery of what I'd just read only pages before with so much interest and openness. So I'm still playing with many of the ideas in my mind as to what may or may not be true from this book.

Yeah, this is pretty common, unfortunately, within the alien/UFO research community it seems.  Tying into what you pointed out - if somebody has seen/heard the evidence for negative abductions and malevolent entities yet, they still adhere to the same script about how positive and good it all is, at that point it's safe to assume they're operating under programming, versus naivete and gullibility.  When I first encountered the Dolores Cannon material I had wondered how she was "allowed" to be out there promoting her material for 30+ years and 13 books, and going strong....then I heard her repeat and reinforce the idea that there are *no negative abductions*....three or four times in her talk that we watched.   Then it clicked.  wink  Like, Ah, got it now.  Now I understand what's going on here.

As far as the material you were reading taking a sudden turn with possible disinfo. coming through...yeah, I can imagine that must have been confusing when you got to it.  I think that when it comes to any of this material of this type, whether it be channeling, hypnotic insights, or just some writer's expose, we have to practice "untangling the knot."   Meaning, there's going to be good information and bits of truth, but often times going to be tangled up with some bunk.   Maybe it's deliberate on the part of the entities, maybe it's the author's own bias depending on the situation, who knows.   But usually it won't ALL be bunk, but it also won't all be great and wonderful truthful insights either.  (ESPECIALLY when it's channeled, or it involves entities coming through a hypnotic trance subject.)    I learned about this concept several years ago when I was given a hefty dose of information from somebody close to me that was this big tangled mix of truth and deception.  Sometimes within the same sentence or idea there was an even 50/50 mix of truth and disinformation all tangled up together.  The disinformation was tailored towards trying to steer me down a certain path.  It had a very particular goal in mind, as well as a common theme running through all of it.   I had to do a lot of untangling!   It's a practice that's useful for material of this type and a good habit to get into.  It's related to the concept of "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater."  None of it will be 100% truth...or 100% lies.   You have to do some sleuthing and untangling.   



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However I think it was helpful that I already had a skeptical and discerning view of the abduction process in my consciousness due to reading the Ra and Cassiopaean channels, as well as Karla Turner's "Taken." If I was reading Dolores's books as a primer or starting point for metaphysical concepts, I could see how one might be easily taken in by the deceptiveness of certain sources she taps. What I have personally noticed is that once you have reached a level of discernment in your mind on such subjects, you can read anything very openly and still be discerning, because your skepticism which is already in place acts as an automatic filter to such deception.

Indeed!  smile  Very true.


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Tonight I start reading Convoluted Universe Book 1. This one seems just as interesting, if not moreso. Can't wait to get into it.

Well, let us all know what you think, it would be great to hear what you liked and/or anything that jumped out at you as possibly being incorrect.

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lyra wrote:

if somebody has seen/heard the evidence for negative abductions and malevolent entities yet, they still adhere to the same script about how positive and good it all is, at that point it's safe to assume they're operating under programming, versus naivete and gullibility.

Yes, the programming idea makes sense.  In the Dolores Cannon book "The Custodians", abduction after abduction is described, often in great detail, and often they are clearly not pleasant experiences.

After all those indications, to still say that the abductions are 100% benevolent - something seems out of place.