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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Neomatrix wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It is becoming more apparent that people don&#039;t want to know the truth. Isn&#039;t that a pathetic indictment of the level of maturity of our species?</p></blockquote></div><p>Tyranny by a small minority of whiners has always been a problem, especially when the moderator/editor/government is weak and ignorant. In that case, one person&#039;s loud and pathetic complaint against the truth outweighs its silent support by many. And the control system knows where to place its hired booers and clappers.&nbsp; So I wouldn&#039;t say this is a reflection of our species so much as a reflection of the sectors of our species actively subservient to the control system. All the more reason for realm mitosis, the splitting of ways between those who choose coma and those who choose awareness. In the above example you posted it is disheartening how strongly people can defend their ignorance, but that&#039;s just one side of this polarization phenomenon. The other side is truthseekers finding hope in each other.</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Interesting!</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>From today&#039;s Icke headlines page. This kind of thing is happening more and more. Here we have an individual with close family connections into the Illuminati clearly showing his knowledge of their existence and trying to warn others of their sick agenda, only to be subjected to censorship. It is becoming more apparent that people don&#039;t want to know the truth. Isn&#039;t that a pathetic indictment of the level of maturity of our species?</p><p>====================================================</p><br /><p>The official version of the war on terror is OK, <br />but have another view and you are banned</p><p>The International Association of Emergency Managers<br />bars alternative explanations of 9/11</p><br /><p>The International Association of Emergency Managers (IAEM) is a non-profit educational organization with the aim of saving lives and protecting property during emergencies and disasters. One of its members, Justin Walker, has been banned from its Internet discussion group for pointing out the flaws in the official story of 9/11. One guy said he wasn’t interested in who was responsible for 9/11, only in responding to disasters. He appears unable to grasp that if people understood who was really behind attacks like September 11th and removed them from power there would be far fewer terrorist disasters to respond to. </p><p>The simple sequence of events that led to the barring of Mr. Walker is another example of the general censorship that prevents free discussion of these matters unless the official version is being supported.</p><p>Firstly, the following was posted to the IAEM Discussion Group site that parroted the official line:</p><br /><p>IAEM Discussion Group: <br />Etgar Lefkovits, THE JERUSALEM POST&nbsp; Nov. 29, 2004</p><p>-------------------------------------------------------</p><p>An al-Qaida attack on the US with non-conventional <br />weapons is virtually &quot;inevitable,&quot; and the organization <br />is likely &quot;tying up the knots&quot; for such an attack, <br />Yossef Bodansky, former director of the US <br />Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and <br />Unconventional Warfare, told The Jerusalem Post on <br />Sunday.</p><p>&quot;All of the warnings we have today indicate that a <br />major strike - something more horrible than anything <br />we&#039;ve seen before - is all but inevitable,&quot; he said.</p><p>Bodansky, here for the second annual Jerusalem Summit, <br />an international gathering of conservative thinkers, <br />added that &quot;the primary option&quot; for the next al-Qaida <br />attack on US soil would be one that would use weapons <br />of mass destruction.</p><p>&quot;I do not have a crystal ball, but this is what all the <br />available evidence tells us, we will have a bang,&quot; <br />Bodansky said.</p><p>He said that al-Qaida has not carried out a second <br />major attack on the US until now for internal <br />psychological and ideological reasons, but after the <br />reelection of President George W. Bush, it has gotten <br />&quot;the green light&quot; to do so from leading Islamic <br />religious luminaries, as well as from &quot;the elites of <br />the Arab world.&quot;</p><p>According to Bodansky&#039;s reading of Osama bin Laden&#039;s <br />mind-set, after the elaborate attacks of 9/11 there was <br />no need for the &quot;bin Ladens of the world&quot; to carry out <br />a second major attack in the US, both because the <br />target audience of the attacks - the Arab and Islamic <br />world - had gotten the message that America could be <br />penetrated, and because a second attack would <br />necessarily have to be more grandiose.</p><p>Following the attacks and the US-led war on terror, a <br />debate started within the operational arm of the <br />organization over the potential use of weapons of mass <br />destruction, Bodansky said.</p><p>If, in pre-9/11 days, the theme used by bin Laden was <br />that perpetual confrontation and jihad against the US <br />was the only way to protect Islam, the argument now <br />used is the ability to punish American society, <br />Bodansky said.</p><p>&quot;Just as the West was challenging the quintessence of <br />Islam by means of the globalization era, there was a <br />parallel need by Islamic extremists to strike at - and <br />hurt - the core of American society, this time with <br />weapons of mass destruction,&quot; Bodansky said.</p><p>A subsequent theological debate emerged within the <br />organization, and its supporters in the Arab world, he <br />said, over whether the mass killing of innocents is <br />permissible.</p><p>While bin Laden and his associates argued that by <br />virtue of their participation in US democracy, US <br />citizens were enabling their rulers to fight, other <br />Islamic luminaries contended that this does not permit <br />such massive attacks, Bodansky said. The reelection of <br />Bush in November, he said, was viewed by bin Laden and <br />his cohorts as a decisive answer to this deliberation, <br />with Americans now &quot;choosing&quot; to be the enemies of <br />Islam. In bin Laden&#039;s mind-set, he said, the stage was <br />set for a non-conventional attack.</p><p>Bodansky said that while there may still be some <br />vestiges of debate and doubt within Islamic circles, he <br />believes that planing for such an attack is finished. <br />&quot;They got the kosher stamp from the Islamic world to <br />use nuclear weapons,&quot; he said.</p><p>Moreover, Bodansky said that America is losing the war <br />against terrorism, noting the number of recruits bin <br />Laden is able to count on, as his call to arms gains <br />widespread support throughout the Muslim world.</p><p>In the pre-9/11 world, Bodansky said, jihadists could <br />count on 250,000 individuals trained and willing to <br />die, and 2.5 million-5 million people willing to help <br />them in one way or another. He cited intelligence <br />estimates from this summer that suggest that as many as <br />500,000-750,000 people are willing and trained to die, <br />10 million are willing to actively support them, short <br />of killing, while another 50 million are willing to <br />support such a movement financially.<br />……………………..</p><p>No problem with posting the official version of the War <br />on Terror, then. Justin Walker responded thus:</p><br /><p>Dear Friends,</p><p>I am afraid this ridiculous press release about Yossef <br />Bodansky&#039;s so-called warning is just feeding America&#039;s <br />increasing paranoia of terrorism - there are now <br />hundreds of valid inconsistencies to the official story <br />of 9/11.&nbsp; I am afraid the blunt truth is that Americans <br />killed Americans on the 11th September 2001.&nbsp; Osama bin <br />Laden and Al Qaida are creations of the so-called &#039;neo-<br />cons&#039;/CIA intelligence community and you have to look <br />there for the perpetrators of 9/11.&nbsp; If you still have <br />an open mind, go to:&nbsp; 911inplanesite.com</p><p>If a dirty bomb or worse goes off, the White House will <br />know about it well in advance.</p><p>Justin Walker</p><p>……………………</p><p>This view was met with considerable anger from many <br />other emergency managers and Mr. Walker replied:</p><p>Steve,</p><p>I realise that what I posted the other day has angered <br />a lot of my fellow emergency managers but what I am <br />talking about is vital to all of us.&nbsp; Nearly all of the <br />people who use this List are in the front line against <br />terrorism and are involved in implementing Homeland <br />Security and the Patriot Act which, by their very <br />nature, have taken away a considerable number of civil <br />liberties from the American people.&nbsp; Civil liberties in <br />Britain are also now being threatened because of this <br />perceived threat of international terrorism. </p><p>However, there is a whole raft of known information and <br />facts which clearly show that we need to worry about <br />highly placed elements within our own societies rather <br />than crazed Islamic fundamentalists from overseas.</p><p>If I&#039;m wrong, how come Stanley Hilton (former Chief of <br />Staff to Bob Dole) is representing over 400 9/11 <br />victims&#039; families in an eight billion dollar courtcase <br />which states quite clearly that the White House not <br />only knew about the 9/11 attacks but implemented <br />them.&nbsp; William Rodriguez, a hero who saved single-<br />handedly fifteen people on the day at the World Trade <br />Centre, is doing the same. And what about David Ray <br />Griffin, a highly respected American theologian who <br />believes that the visual evidence proves that no <br />aircraft the size of a Boeing 757 hit the <br />Pentagon.&nbsp; Incidentally, his recent book &#039;The New Pearl <br />Harbor&#039; has its UK foreword written by Michal Meacher <br />MP, a former British Cabinet Minister.</p><p>I&#039;ve known about there being an orchestrated <br />international elite above our democratically elected <br />representatives for a long time now. Because of their <br />enormous power and wealth they have been manipulating <br />their own global agendas for decades, if not <br />centuries.&nbsp; My late Uncle was The Lord Pilkington, head <br />of Pilkington Glass, Director of the Bank of England <br />and a member of a bloodline family that goes back over <br />a thousand years.&nbsp; He warned me about what he termed <br />the &#039;Illuminati&#039;and how they can invisibly shape world <br />events; and in fact an associate of his, the late <br />Aurelio Peccei, President of Fiat, invited me to join <br />one of their front organisations, The Club of Rome. If <br />you still doubt what I am saying is true, find out <br />about the Bilderberg Group.</p><p>I&#039;m afraid the evidence is coming out fast and furious, <br />thanks to the internet (the mainstream media being <br />largely controlled at an editorial level by these <br />highly placed individuals), that the enemy is within <br />our own gates - and that, I&#039;m afraid, is extremely <br />relevant to what we do.</p><p>With best wishes</p><p>Justin Walker </p><p>…………………</p><p>But such views are not allowed by this &quot;educational&quot; <br />organisation and Mr. Walker was barred from the group. <br />For &quot;off topic&quot; read &quot;off message&quot;. </p><p>Justin:</p><p>You must stop posting to this list.&nbsp; I have received <br />numerous complaints over the past several days from <br />active IAEM members regarding your posts.&nbsp; Given the <br />complaints and the fact that you posted an off-topic <br />message on the same day that the monthly reminder about <br />list rules was posted, you have been removed from the <br />list.&nbsp; </p><p>I am sure that you will be able to find a more <br />appropriate list for your posts.</p><p>Dawn M. Shiley<br />Marketing &amp; Communications Director<br />IAEM<br />List Serv Moderator</p>]]></content>
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