i would like to add on to the discussion surround good/evil and polarity; some of my own views;
I agree with Neo in the respects of us living in an illusory world, and to a certain degree i think Moralman also can concur on some points. At the same time, i support Moralman's view that people can be "good" or "bad" - EXCEPT, i would much rather use the term Positive and Negative, or STO,STS- instead. why? because "good" and "evil" carry emotional and subjective connotations, and thus they are by themselves showing a bias. I believe positive and negative is a much better way to view things, simply because the terms show you that there is a unique balance or complimentary union between the two, unlike "good" and "evil" which create vast seperation.

Another thing i think Neomatrix is also trying to point out is the controversial question:
"is God the author of evil as well as good ?"

If you believe and place the Almighty at the top of all existance, then it should follow that everything beneath God is part of him- including "negative" forces or "evil". This is the FLAW of religions who molded "GOD" into a person, when he/she is not. Making God seem like a person is what has created this Judgemental Mentality in my opinion. God to me is the Creational Forces of the universe, a spiritual energy that encompasses all.

Things work in a balance, i like to use A/C Electricity Current as an example (microcosm);

Electricity is a Wave much like anything else. the Wave has 2 parts, the positive part (where the peak is located etc) and it has the negative part(where the voltage goes negative, the 'trench') It flows up and down to create electricity current to power things up. For the most part these two portions will be equal. but on occasion or on special circuits it will not, and sometimes there are "spikes" which means the current jumps up extremely high (anomaly).

Anyways, i guess what im trying to say is that there's always (at least) two sides to a coin. maybe thats obvious to some of you already.

The TRICK is that we aren't shown the coin-- only the two sides.

I'd like to add some thoughts I have on this matter, the creation of souls.  In thinking of this, I look to nature to see how it creates.  If God created nature, then surely its processes would closely mirror the processes that God utilizes.   

Sometimes a small piece of a tree or plant will fall to the ground.  Occasionally, this tiny piece of a larger entity (tree or plant) will take root in the ground and transform into a mirror image of the mother tree/plant.  I think the same can be said for the creation of souls.  God takes a little part of His energy, let's it fall to the earth, and OCCASIONALLY, this energy will find its way back to the Source.  Just as most pieces that fall from a tree or plant never take root and flourish, so too do most souls.  Though they have been given the opportunity, they do not take advantage of it.  They allow the energy they were so graciously given to fizzle while on the path of materialistic pursuit.  However, a few take the intial energy that was given to them and allow it to grow; while others realize that their soul's energy has evaporated and seek to regain it. 

Regards,
WMHAOI

I just thought this was really good.  Didn't want it to get overlooked.  I'd never thought of it all this way before, and it made me stop and think and I have to say that it all sounds so right on.  What a great way of putting it.

If we are defining love as a creative, flowing, binding energy--then, yes. If we are defining love in some sappy, greeting card way--then, no.

No, love merely *is*.

Okay, but without having an accurate baseline as to what love is, then that statement is wildly open to interpretation.

You are still caught within the illusion of thinking of time in a purely linear fashion.

You're trying to pull cosmic truths down to the level of third density illusion, then disprove them because they don't agree with the mechanics of the illusion. This reality is built upon duality, separation, and limitation. If you want to understand what that poem is saying, you need to move your perspective firmly outside of the illusion first. And, it's not actually my poem

Alright, here's a couple of questions: How do you define good? and how do you define evil? Well, when people think of "good" they think of positive things: They think of happiness, of sharing, of union, of creation, of pleasure, and of freedom. Evil would generate the opposite response: Thoughts of despair, greed, isolation, destruction, suffering, and control. Correct me if you have a different interpretation of these.

When you are existing within this third density illusion, as we are, it is very easy to see this polarity game at work. It is natural to have emotional responses to these forces, especially the negative ones. Now, I'm in NO WAY implying that you shouldn't be upset or angry when you see something going on in the world that you view as unjust or unfair. The problem comes into being only when you try and invalidate the negative forces as somehow irrelevant or unnecessary to the evolutionary processes that are at work here.

Okay, now that we have those definitions as a point of reference, let's take a trip. Let's pull ourselves up out of third density, at least in our mind's eye for now. So, we are moving away from physical reality towards nonphysical reality, a realm of pure consciousness that exists at various higher vibrational states than this low vibrational one. Moving away, and physical sensory input disappears. Moving away, and linear concepts of time and space begin to fade. Moving away, and life and death no longer have any meaning.

So, you find yourself a singular point of consciousness existing within a flowing sea of energy. You are no longer bound by space and time considerations, and you no longer have a physical body to attend to and protect. So, from this perspective do you still see good and evil as objectively existing, or do they just appear as nothing more than colors which were painted onto time-space reality in order to yield the widest possible spectrum of experiences for its denizens?

Correct. I might not be happy about a lot of the things I see going on, and I might even be angry or upset about them; however, as long as I maintain the ability to put things into their proper perspective, I will reserve making such pointless judgments and simply trust in the process. Why? Because only the eyes of fear see separation, and I refuse to submit to such limited thinking.

I am not buying into this baloney and I say this with the greatest respect.
yours thankfully
John

No one is trying to force you into "buying" anything here. Believe whatever you want to believe; it makes no difference to me or to anyone else here. You are caught in the flytrap of third-density polarity thinking, and good/evil judgmentalism, and that's fine. In time you may realize that God is truly INFINITE, and therefore encompasses your limited definitions of both "good" and "evil". Only then will you find peace in yourself, rather than waiting to be "saved" by your judgmental Messiah. I've said all I have to say about this particular topic.

Oh, hell--one last push, and only because I can't help it:

There is no beginning, there is no end,
   There is only change.
There is no teacher, there is no student,
   There is only remembering.
There is no good, there is no evil,
   There is only expression.
There is no union, there is no sharing,
   There is only one.
There is no joy, there is no sadness,
   There is only love.
There is no greater, there is no lesser,
   There is only balance.
There is no stasis, there is no entropy,
   There is only motion.
There is no wakefulness, there is no sleep,
   There is only being.
There is no limit, there is no chance,
   There is only a plan.

Sometimes a small piece of a tree or plant will fall to the ground.  Occasionally, this tiny piece of a larger entity (tree or plant) will take root in the ground and transform into a mirror image of the mother tree/plant.  I think the same can be said for the creation of souls.  God takes a little part of His energy, let's it fall to the earth, and OCCASIONALLY, this energy will find its way back to the Source.  Just as most pieces that fall from a tree or plant never take root and flourish, so too do most souls.  Though they have been given the opportunity, they do not take advantage of it.  They allow the energy they were so graciously given to fizzle while on the path of materialistic pursuit.  However, a few take the intial energy that was given to them and allow it to grow; while others realize that their soul's energy has evaporated and seek to regain it. 

Regards,
WMHAOI

I'm with Moralman on this one.

Okay. Just for the record, I'm not with anyone other than myself

No "sense"? In what regard? An intellectual sense? An intuitive sense? I'm confused about what you mean about that one. Do you simply have issues with the idea of being part of a greater whole; that this somehow lessons your own importance in the grand scheme of things?

But, were they specifically created unique, or is the uniqueness arrived at only through the incarnational process? If I were to strip away your physical senses--sight, sound, touch, smell, and taste--what is left? Your mind and personality, right? And if I were to strip away even that, what then is left of *you*?

Hmmmn. You are thinking very black and white here. Why can't it be both the fraction AND the whole?

"A reflection of the one Infinite Mind"? Well, if there is only ONE INFINITE MIND, then there can be nothing else. Correct?

On the contrary: Why do you assume that the intellect (left brain consciousness) has any such limitations? Do you assume that spiritual reality is purely the domain of right brained modes of consciousness?

In what regard? Physically? Mentally? Emotionally? Spiritually? He is both like me and not like me in ALL of those areas. He has a human body, but it doesn't look exactly like mine (lucky for him!). He thinks, but he doesn't have the same thoughts that I do (albeit there is some commonality). He experiences emotions in the same way I do, but not in response to the same external stimulus. He has a conscious self-awareness through which he experiences all of these other things, but it is not my awareness.

You are downplaying the importance of the personality and "animal nature" of the human. But what is it that makes us unique? You are arguing that we were created unique, and I am sure that there may be some truth in that. But I am also arguing that our true uniqueness arises only much later in the process, after hundreds or thousands of lifetimes in many systems of reality including this one. It is the sum of all of those experiences which are our true gifts, and is what makes us REALLY unique from any other aspect of that one Infinite Mind which you already mentioned.

We are all individual to a degree-David Icke even states that in his books.

No one is saying that souls are not individual. Let's take a look at that word, though: Individual. The root of the word "Individual" being the word "Divide". We are all ultimately one Soul, one Whole, one Source, one Prime Creator, one God, one One that divided into fragments. After that division, those fragments were free to explore their own individuated nature as they saw fit, which is what we are all doing here. So, although we are separate, we are also irrevocably a part of a Whole. We are one, and we are many. This is the paradox of being.

I sense here that you are confusing the term "soul" with the term "personality" or "ego". They are not the same thing. The soul is the energetic essence that contains all memories of the current incarnation's lifespan. The ego/personality is a temporary construct used only whilst here in physical reality. Much of this personality is so colored over by genetic commands and material desires that it is impossible to identify the essence living within. Don't confuse the role with the actor.

Righteous souls? But, who gets to pick who is righteous and who is not?

Absolutely not. Consider the following phrase: "There is no good. There is no evil. There is only expression." It might lead to a real awakening within you.

I think only God would know the answer to that question. You guessed at 12 billion. I think that number leaves an awful lot of animals without a soul, if we are describing the word "soul" as meaning "energetic essence". Then there's the rest of the universe to consider. And what about parallel dimensions and higher densities? I'm sure there are plenty of other life forms out there with a soul. Let's just take a guess and say there are an infinite amount, give or take a googleplex.

thats what i was trying to tell Moralman, that he is being too literal, too concerned with numbers (data)

his numerical posts with questions lined up time and time again point to some kind of automation.

no hard feelings though Moralman, i dont mean to impose on you or your ways at all.

all the best
z

Perhaps someone at Noble realms might know how many souls are in existance but seeing as though every living source apparently has a soul that is unanswerable.

I've got a question for you. Why does it matter how many souls there are? What's your reason for asking? Maybe there are 7 billion souls, maybe there's 60 billion souls, or a billion billion souls, or maybe there's an infinite number of souls. But what difference does it make anyway?

You're asking the unanswerable....and seriously expecting answers.

Or he could just be taking the piss, which is what I'm starting to suspect most of the time.