for example, Illuminati actually means someone who is enlightened, with knowledge, which SHOULD mean something positive. But, what does the word mean today? it means a negative organization that is manipulating us. Thus, illuminati no longer carries a positive connotation.

Illuminati has the root word of illuminate - which means Light.

Many people (or beings) long to corrupt the "New Age" phenomena that is going on now. People are awakening, so it only makes sense they would try to divert or confuse, or mislead people.

That doesnt mean the Light is bad, of course not. its all about the situation, the factors, and your feelings- thats what it boils down to.

So, what do you think? Do you also have the feeling that "light" is being (mis)used as a trigger these days?

-digger

On the face of it light is good as it helps us see.

Light is frequently referred to in near-death experiences where people have seen some kind of spiritual realm. Beings there are often referred to as beings of light, and if someone sees what they consider to be Jesus then he is an especially bright and beautiful light.

I wonder if light is used as part of some control system - it certainly would be a good choice as most people upon dying would probably head straight for some bright light.

The only reference I could find on Jordan's website was this:
"The new reality they sought was radically secular and stridently simple. The ideal was not the balanced complexity of the new American federation, but the occult simplicity of its great seal: an all-seeing eye atop a pyramid over the words Novus Ordo Seclorum."

I may have overlooked something, though...
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From a different website (Masonic view):
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/ … nry02.html
The all-seeing eye of God is noted several times in the Christian Bible:
Psalm 32:8 I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.
Psalm 33:18 Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;
Ezekiel 20:17 Nevertheless mine eye spared them from destroying them, neither did I make an end of them in the wilderness.

That's a reference to the Eye of Providence as discussed above, not the same as the eye in the pyramid. There's no mentioning of a pyramid, not even the triangle.
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Then there are numerous interpretations, like this one from a Rev. Christine:
http://divinesciencecommunitycenter.org … hatis.html
"Then we have the pyramid with a capstone not yet lowered into place, and above it and within a triangle appears the ancient symbol of the all-seeing eye. This is the "Single Eye" of which Jesus Christ spoke. He said, "When the eye is single the whole body is full of light." This means that when we individually and on a national level put God first, everything else second, then the whole body, the whole life of that person and nation will be healthy, free and prosperous.

The triangle is the symbol of the human soul and Divine understanding of the principle of creation. The capstone of the pyramid is still removed to indicate that man cannot accomplish any real work of himself, but only as the instrument of God by having a Single Eye.

The pyramid is the geometrical form that symbolizes Spirit, as it is taken to be the permanent expression of a living flame – the fire principle. The pyramid also represents stability because of its solid shape and most difficult to overturn."
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After somewhat changing the search terms, I finally dug up from the NT what you may have had in mind:

Matthew:
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Mark:
10 And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:
11 This was the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Acts:
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

Ephesians:
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

That's how I understand the primary meaning of these verses:

(1) The stone (as corner stone) is indeed used as a symbol of Jesus Christ. The rejection of the stone in Mark and Matthew stands for the initial rejection of Jesus. Later on in his life, Jesus found his disciples and an increasing following - that's marvelous. Becoming the head of the corner refers to this "success" story. Jesus became the enlightened head of a group.

What's a 'head of the corner', or the 'chief corner stone'? I don't exactly know, but this is how I understand it:
a) it's an important stone, the chief, the leader, the head.
b) it's still part of the corner, not the roof or the top of the building. Not the capstone, and not of a pyramid at all. 'Corner' might mean that the movement that developed from Jesus' teachings was still relatively small those days, a minority within a mainly Roman dominated society.

(2) The 'building' stands for the church that is built on the foundation of Jesus Christ, the corner stone. The building is not referred to as a pyramid. Jesus Christ is not referred to as the capstone, the pinnacle, but the foundation that became, after it was accepted by so many, the leading stone of the corner.

My conclusions here:

* There is no direct reference of Christ (or Christ consciousness) being the capstone of a pyramid in the Bible. Later interpretations in this way are not rooted in the bible itself and may have a specific purpose.

* Moreover, a pyramid is undoubtedly a symbol of hierarchy. Even if we would accept the capstone as representing Jesus or the Eye of Providence, there is still the body of the pyramid. The body alone, with less stones in the higher layers and a broad base at the bottom, is a perfect analogy to a hierarchical structure where a few at the top rule over many at the bottom. It is quite different from Jesus, the Shepard, watching over his herd of (equal) sheep.

* It seems that every one and his brother just cites, interprets, and uses biblical allegories ad libitum. One quotes the other, things are twisted to make them fit their theories and so on. I don't claim that my view, which is not more than a working hypothesis, is the correct one, but I became very skeptical over time. Let's be ready to go back to the drawing board anytime. Let's be open to reconsider things if additional information becomes available, but let's also try to cut to the chase and double check what others have come up with.

Thank you,
-digger

Morningsun,

morningsun76 wrote:

Yes -- chief cornerstone / capstone -- same thing. Different Bible translations may use different words.  The idea being the tippity top triangle on top of a triangle.

But cornerstone and capstone are quite different things, no?

Yes, a cornerstone may be at the base, but the term "chief cornerstone" only refers to the pyramidion at the pinnacle, as in capstone.  Hope that answers your question.

If necessary I can dig out my Bible concordance and look up a few examples for you, though I don't have them handy myself.  Jordan Maxwell just recently did an hour and a half lecture on this exact point about a month ago which I'd recommend checking out.  He has dozens and dozens of references on this very subject.

I know it sounds crazy but I think this goes on more than we realize.  At my last temp job I had to transcribe all these economics speeches given at various conferences around the country and at about week 3, I began to wonder "Hey....I wonder if any of these guys are delivering encoded messages within these speeches???"  You know, to those in the audience with "ears to hear".  What made me finally think this was when one guy during his speech kept emphasizing the number "33".   33 something, I don't know what he was talking about, but he said it several times and emphasized it.  33 is an important number in esoteria, so I kind of wondered if there were any possible "double meanings" to what he was talking about, some kind of coded message he could be passing along.   (The job was really boring and I needed something interesting to think about.  Forgive me for the mind running amok with Hollywood movie type thoughts!  )  Then I wondered about the idea of "broad daylight codes", and if people are openly passing along information right out there in the open for those with the knowledge to see it.   Lot of "double meanings" possibly embedded in stuff we see in the media.    I have no doubt it's happening, and might even be happening with this particular magazine that digger posted.   I think there's more to the "2010" thing than just "PC's of 2010", as well as a meaning to the 16 pyramid steps versus the traditional 13.

That eye looks kinda greenish.  Was that an artifact of the scanning, or was it green on the cover?
Kathy

Hi Kathy,

excellent observation! I can assure you that the eye is as green as the back of a greenback. R U thinking lizzies?

Someone else suggested this magazine published at the hight of the dot com frenzy was a heads up, a  middle finger warning, for rather bad things to come. It might have been sinister Orwellian doublespeak. Just reverse everything, put the meaning upside down, and it all becomes clear. That would be at least one interpretation worth considering.

-digger

But cornerstone and capstone are quite different things, no? I see the capstone as the crown, the top, the highest. The cornerstone is usually part of the base, representing the foundation. Hence, the cornerstone would be a symbol of the (most important part of the) base of the work (the pyramid), or for a starting point of a journey, and the capstone would be the achievement, the goal, the end point of a journey. Well, "I'm the beginning and the end, the alpha and the omega" could be the idea that completes the circle, but would you be sure this was really meant this way?

I'm still looking for a specific verse in the Bible referring to that allegory and haven't found a thing. Would you care sharing your reference?

Same here. I would love to have a reference to eye in the pyramid symbolizing Jesus Christ. From what I know, the Christian Eye of Providence represents the all-seeing eye of God and the holy Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) which is not exactly the same as Christ consciousness. Hmmm...

Thanks for pointing out the connection between the eye in the pyramid and the Eye of Providence. I found this confirmed here:
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.c … Providence

-digger

Yes -- chief cornerstone / capstone -- same thing. Different Bible translations may use different words.  The idea being the tippity top triangle on top of a triangle.

As far as the all-seeing eye as used in the 18th century, the eye of Providence, I believe that to be the same idea as well, at least closely related, though my point was more to the effect that the use of the eye at the top of the pyramid (dollar bill) actually is a symbol described in the Bible as referring to Jesus Christ. 

Also, though I am not an expert, I would suggest that the Christ-consciousness is not a new concept, it's quite possible THE central theme .. get in touch, communion, with God (the infinite) through his Sun/Son (the consciousness of the Christ within you).  I know at the very least that was the Gnostic's idea.    Same idea as "Krishna consciousness," Christ and Krishna being the same word after all.

So Christ or the Christ conscious IS the chief cornerstone or capstone because He ties all our good deeds together with love by STO, which of course you don't broadcast to everybody. While you can be good and seen as being "in the light" all the while drawing attention to your good deeds (hence why people love you) all the while living as STS.

Sermon on the mount contrasts good and righteous quite well I think.

it just came to me that you might refer to the all-seeing-eye, the eye of God that was so popular in the 17th/18th hundreds. It was usually framed by a triangle and the rays came out behind it. The meaning was "God is watching us all the time", "God has an eye on us", "God sees everything, all the good and the bad we do". It's on numerous German, Austrian, Hungarian coins of this period, in many paintings and till today on many buildings, in Vienna for instance. It was a major symbol of the Roman Catholic church.

Is that what you mean? There's no pyramid though...
I think the very term Christ-consciousness is relatively new, indicating more or less that there's a eon-spanning consciousness that incarnates every once and so often and that is not specifically bound to the person of Jesus.

You say: "In the Bible Jesus is referred to in many places as "the chief cornerstone [pyramid peak] which the builders rejected."

Wouldn't that be the capstone?

Thanks for your thoughts, the Pentium MMX connection was brilliant. I think there was even a legal dispute with Intel over the use of "MMX".

-digger

For me this was indeed new:

Interesting. I just searched the NT KJ version and couldn't find one reference to 'cornerstone' or 'pyramid'. Would you mind giving the actual chapter/verse?

For me, a pyramid is a symbol of a hierarchical structure. The gap between the base and the cap stone might represent either a quantum leap or a disconnect. That in itself is neither bad nor good, it just is.

Thx,
-dig

This may be old news to some readers here, but love is symbolized by the separated peak of the pyramid which represents the "Christ-consciousness" -- the Spirit which leads the true followers of the Path.  In the Bible Jesus is referred to in many places as "the chief cornerstone [pyramid peak] which the builders rejected."   What I've always found interesting about this metaphor is that a lot of these people acknowledge that light is ranked second to love, but focus on the light while rejecting the love -- the capstone of the pyramid.

The MMX reference is also interesting.  Intel used that designation years ago for the "Pentium with MMX technology" series of microprocessors.  I wonder if there's some special occult significance to 2010.  It's two years before 2012.

just want to point out a relavent mark, about love being so important.

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but, this 2000 magazine is pretty interesting, doesnt really surprise me they would do something like that.whoever, whatever did it.

yes, this must strike almost everybody as odd who sees it.

Well, I'm just thinking that this came out in the year 2000. Now, 4 1/2 years later, we're right in the middle of the "light year"-period, if I take the 2010 number. So the first half brought us an economic recession, 9/11, more tension in the middle east, war with Afghanistan and Iraq... not exactly positive.

Well, I find your view refreshing. Sometimes I think that all the apocalyptic talk creates so much fear and really plays into the hands of those who live off it.

Thanks for your thoughts,
-digger