freeme wrote:

On Heirarchies: From my studies, they are rigid, inflexible structures that don't adapt well to change and are extremely vulnerable to manipulation, targeting a few leaders is all it takes.  It seems like heirarchies are all people know these days.  It's either rigid heirarchies or chaos.

That's because people don't really know how to be responsible for themselves: they need some external father figure to do it for them. People never really grow up, never really mature, because they just end up replacing one parental authority for another. "Be good, do as you are told, and you won't get in trouble." So, naturally they think that if the parents leave, then the kids are just going to go nuts. The sad thing is, that is probably what would happen, due to our inability to take responsibility for ourselves and letting other people do likewise. People don't really want freedom, the just want the illusion of freedom and a few new toys to keep them pacified and distracted.

God, all of this is so true, both freeme and Neomatrix.  I once made mention of this in an old writing I did, how we trade our parents and teacher authority figures from our childhood for our new adult authority figures.  But we never stop having hierarchal authority figures, somebody we have to report to, answer to, obey, appease, please, get permission from, submit and cowtow to.     Usually and most notably at work.  Unless you're your own boss or the owner of your own private business, (lucky you!) you have authority figures that you need to answer to and "obey."  Oh, I did my little project that you assigned to me, here you go.....(where's my gold star??)  I inputted this for you, took this message for you, proofread this for you, changed any mistakes.......do I get the red pen smiley face???   ???   Do people even realize the conditioning that this does to us???  I'm only just now really starting to analyze how having bosses and a submissive work position can affect a person on a greater, spiritual scale.   It's such a conditioning tool.   There are SO many people out there who don't want to have to THINK anymore.  They want to be told what to do, they want to be led, they want their hands held.   They want a boss hovering over them supervising them. They don't make decisions on their own, they're not "self starters".  (corporate lingo for those rare individuals who like to kick themselves in the ass instead of somebody else doing it, thank you....)   I've worked with people like this.  They couldn't/wouldn't THINK.  You know, people who were like "What should I do now?  What about now?  What about now?  What should I do now?? What should I do here?  What about here?  What about here? What do you mean make a judgement call decision??  What's that??   What is thinking??  What is that word??   Okay so what should I do now??....what about now??......"     Oh lordy lord.  That's extreme, but I have seen these people. It just makes me wonder.   

It's scary what our authoritarian hierarchial does to us all over the long haul, chip chip chipping away at our sense of sovereignty, power, confidence and independence.  Yikes.  It affects all of us in some way, even if we can't see it right away, nobody is immune.

On Heirarchies: From my studies, they are rigid, inflexible structures that don't adapt well to change and are extremely vulnerable to manipulation, targeting a few leaders is all it takes.  It seems like heirarchies are all people know these days.  It's either rigid heirarchies or chaos.

That's because people don't really know how to be responsible for themselves: they need some external father figure to do it for them. People never really grow up, never really mature, because they just end up replacing one parental authority for another. "Be good, do as you are told, and you won't get in trouble." So, naturally they think that if the parents leave, then the kids are just going to go nuts. The sad thing is, that is probably what would happen, due to our inability to take responsibility for ourselves and letting other people do likewise. People don't really want freedom, the just want the illusion of freedom and a few new toys to keep them pacified and distracted.

On Heirarchies: From my studies, they are rigid, inflexible structures that don't adapt well to change and are extremely vulnerable to manipulation, targeting a few leaders is all it takes.  It seems like heirarchies are all people know these days.  It's either rigid heirarchies or chaos. 

Kathy

Terror Wrist

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sorry guys just had to throw that in here

ermolai wrote:

It's easy for them to infiltrate hierarchical organizations, no matter how pure the initial intention behind these organizations.

I have little doubt that these major organizations have been infiltrated in some way. However I think there's a lot of difference between being infiltrated by the Illuminati and being a front for the Illuminati.

There is no difference as for the end results.

Well, we live in a STS world. What do you expect? Sorry to burst anyone's bubble. The word "Illuminati" is over-used I agree, but I think you know what it means. Basically such organizations serve the Matrix, and are absolutely no threat for it. Furthermore countless people pour energy into them, rather than finding ways to really do positive changes. For me they are yet another trap.

Well I disagree. Hierarchies are pyramids, with people at the top having the most of knowledge / power while those at the bottom having few to say. This is true for all of them. This is extremely dangerous in the STS world we live in. Circular / horizontal "structures" are much better at circulating energy and fixing problems before they become traps for Matrix attacks, since everyone has an input. Maybe that a few decades ago it was still possible to do positive things with hierarchical organizations but in my opinion this time is gone, and now we really have to push things further. Of course I know the downsides of non-hierarchical structures, nothing is "safe" in any way (all there is is lessons) but at least I feel there is a real potential with them, while pyramids are hopelessly useless.

Which you quoted back at me, but with an ammendment thus:

This may seem a pedantic point, but words are all we have to communicate with, so it is important to be as crystal clear as possible to avoid confusion, and misunderstanding.

It is your use of the phrase "dialectic astral energies (StS)" that I am not clear on. Please explain what you mean.

mimi

Yes, excuse me, I wrote SLS instead of STS (I've corrected the term)..

I follow the terminology of STS because Montalk has written a lot about this.

I prefer the terminology dialectic astral energies and lower astral entities.

Astral entities must be feeded with astral energies to be led to materialize things.

The direction can be devided in "good" and "wrong".

That's why I use the term dialectic.

Polarization leads to the end of unity. So to stay alive: astral entities need a situation where every statement has it's contra-statement, to keep the rotating circle going on in the astral realms, continuing tapping energies from innocent unprotected people's astral bodies.

The first way the Illuminati are promoting this on a large scale, is using Television and creating fear to open the astral bodies of the TV-watchers.

I do see that individual people can forget the responsibilities in their own local communities or societies by being distracted to much by what Amnesty International is suggesting them to do, or that raising international awareness might somehow disable spontanuous local action (I don't think so)... but I think that's to a large degree the responsibility of individuals themselves.
Have you studied all the people involved in Amnesty International and Greenpeace, what scales did you use to measure their indivual contribution to STS energies in order to brand those organisations STS? How do you know I am contributing to STS energies by trying to raise awareness?

One can say that all in 3rd density lives, turns and revolves because of MIND, but to me being aware of this it doesn't automatically mean that one stops taking action in whatever form.

Greenpeace doesn't comment on chemtrails. One could argue that they do so strategically so other parties on which they in part depend would take them seriously.

the great riddle, greenpeace and the chemtrail question

You must understand how the dialectic astral energies (SLS) are working.

Montalk wrote a lot of articles about these SLS-energies on this website, look at the articles on "how the matrix is operating", and look at the parts on organic portals, matrix agencies and the SLS-concept.

If there is a statement they (SLS-entities) create an anti-statement, to tap all these fresh dialectic energies from our MINDS.

Stop helping Amnesty International blocks this SLS energy stream, so there is less evil energy available for them (SLS-entities) to hurt more people, or to get more people being hurted.

Please clarify what you mean by the "SLS" concept. I understand how everything is vibrational in nature and how the STS Matrix Control System continues to make incisions for more bloodletting and feeding, including thier use of people's STO intnentions like giving to charities and supporting greenpeace etc. I also understand your saying Amnesty International, Greenpeace and other large campaigning organisations, could be part of a counter intelligence operation of global/Illumunati proportions.

It is your use of the phrase "dialectic astral energies (SLS)" that I am not clear on. Please explain what you mean.

mimi

i.e. the best way to stop Earth's abuse, is to stop with promoting Greenpeace and regain your own mind instead of Greenpeace is commanding you what to do.

Commanding? Greenpeace is a volunteer organisation.

Yes, and the US-voters were volunteer voters thsi month, isn't ?

Who is changing the climate ?
Global activity: problem-reaction-solution
Thanks to Mr. Henry Kissinger

Global activity: problem-reaction-solution

Global activity: problem-reaction-solution

A clue (to neutralize our free will) to Gen. Engineering

These-Antithese-Synthese

Again: what does Greenpeace say about chemtrails ?

global thing

The bio-sphere is made by our MINDS.
Chemicals, climate change , GE and even the movements of our planets in our solar system behave the way our MINDS has allowed them to do so.

That's why MIND-CONTROL is so important for the Illuminati.

Neither human rights organisation.

You must understand how the dialectic astral energies (STS) are working.

Montalk wrote a lot of articles about these SLS-energies on this website, look at the articles on "how the matrix is operating", and look at the parts on organic portals, matrix agencies and the STS-concept.

If there is a statement they (STS-entities) create an anti-statement, to tap all these fresh dialectic energies from our MINDS.

Stop helping Amnesty International blocks this STS energy stream, so there is less evil energy available for them (STS-entities) to hurt more people, or to get more people being hurted

It's easy for them to infiltrate hierarchical organizations, no matter how pure the initial intention behind these organizations. They only need a few people in key positions, all the others will follow along unquestioningly. As for the Greenpeace website, well, did you look at the one of BP? Words don't mean much.

Whether an organisation is hierarchical, flat doesn't matter, both can be infiltrated, by investigative journalists, government agents, corporate espionage or even aliens.
I think there is nothing wrong with hierarchies or heterarchies. They are essential for society and life to function. They are natural, your body is a hierarchy, the family unit is, in some ways this board is a hierarchy... when a dynamic or structure becomes constricting, live sucking, non-integrative you have a disease. The whole anti-hierarchy idea shared by old school feminists, marxists is in my opinion slightly flawed and has done some damage. They correctly recognized the disease within hierarchies, society or relationships but proceeded to cure them by eroding the structures all together.

Yes, greenpeace itself can be infiltrated, like for example Manfred Schlickenrieder did.
It's very easy to suggest that greenpeace doesn't act along their publicly stated goals, that the organisation is lying, is a front for illuminati or otherwise. If you think that Greenpeace publicly stated goals on the website are essentially corrupt, a lie, and a front - on a public forum - you might also want to state why. For me simply stating that all hierarchies are by definition illuminati fronts doesn't suffice.

brief history of greenpeace

A friend of mine who is a strong greenpeace activist and worked for them for some time, recently told me that greenpeace has been classified as a C grade terrorist organisation. This means that nearly all of my friends are C grade terrorists, and I myself am an ex C grade terrorist, seeing as I worked for them myself for a short period of time.

Well, we may see this trend continue and grow even more scary.  Basically, this sounds like part of the agenda to scare and isolate people from gathering with like minded individuals -- to isolate people from hope, a future of peace, and more divine sources.  Don't have faith, whatever you do.  And whatever you're doing right now that you have faith in, will surely be next on the chopping block.

We see this in many areas.  Whatever the cause (noble or not) the mechanics of what some are calling the Matrix Control System work on quite defined engineering principles.  The themes I see around me suggest in a subtle way, yet sometimes obvious, that there is a very real Ideal scenario being introduced into society -- more accurately, one that has been continually introduced and honed over the centuries.  Complexity does dictate the suitable action for manipulating an average individual into conformity with this Ideal, however the rules follow very real limitations to the programming of the MCS.  This is wise to note by the spiritual mature -- and will also be the downfall for the mechanically over-atrophied aspect of humanity.  Not a coincidence.

The point is clear that any group or organization who gather with overt goals aimed at helping any mass of humanity, will inevitably face a great challenge and even destruction as the Ideal begins to surface overtly.  The cookie cutter will come down and test everyone in this times, and it will be more and more challenging -- read: potentially rewarding -- for those who transcend.  Greenepeace, Food for the Poor, the Church, the School, your Job, your Family, your Health -- will all be challenged as a direct assault on the average individual and their ability to transcend.  Again, anything you believe in, or have faith in -- look closely for the attack will come.

This is not to say Greenpeace must fight back and try to beat the ones who label them terrorists.  We can all agree this is not wise.  They may loose some supporters due to this new label, and may have to rethink aspects of their organization.  But there's no reason to give up.  There are many ways Greenpeace could affect change that don't have to do with tying yourself to an oil barge.  I would say educating people is the number one chance for positive change.  Haven't seen any Greenpeace sponsored specials on the Discovery channel lately.  Maybe there are ways to get in the media and in public education more with positive messages backed with innovative solutions.  Maybe we need to focus on the people we come in contact with everyday and ask are we doing what we can to help them and when we need it, ask for help from them?  Greenpeace could do well to bring in a non-hierarchical structure where the community is each created equal, where each is rewarded by the whole for educating it's particular local community.  Each of these groups will be forced to adapt to a service-oriented structure or be crushed under the weight of yet another structure 'above' it.

Anyway I lay out the cards, I see a pretty clear period of challenge in our future.  The kind that demands working towards sustainable survival, working together with other people in groups, and the kind that will allow only those with a spiritual grounding through the gauntlet.  Just as there is a surfacing Ideal created by the MCS, there is also a plan for transcendence, that's been an equally long time coming.

It's easy for them to infiltrate hierarchical organizations, no matter how pure the initial intention behind these organizations.

I have little doubt that these major organizations have been infiltrated in some way. However I think there's a lot of difference between being infiltrated by the Illuminati and being a front for the Illuminati.

Anyway I think we're getting a little too silly here. Using Atlantis' reasoning then just about every large organization in the world must be a front for the Illuminati. How many fronts do they need? Greedy bunch these Illuminati aren't they

Lets not turn this forum into a lunatic conspiracy theory forum, where EVERYTHING is an Illuminati conspiracy. I think a little more discernment is needed sometimes.

If you're going to make outlandish statements then at least provide a few sources to back up what you're saying, and don't say "Do your own homework" when somebody questions you on something. That says to me that you don't have any sources and all you're putting forward is a theory. Theories are fine, but at least state it's a theory rather than trying to present theory as hard facts. Because they're not.

It's easy for them to infiltrate hierarchical organizations, no matter how pure the initial intention behind these organizations. They only need a few people in key positions, all the others will follow along unquestioningly. As for the Greenpeace website, well, did you look at the one of BP? Words don't mean much.

Yes! Yes! Yes!  Avoid heirarchies! 

Financing is also a means to control these organizations:  Ooooooh! You want some grant money?  Sure!!!  We'd love to finance you!  Well, there are a few changes we'd like you to make....

Kathy