Hull looks pretty nice, decent place to raise a family.  River's a bit brown....

Yes, the River Hull is quite polluted and disgusting. I remember once looking at it, when I was there, and thinking it looked for all the world like a river of milky coffee. It is really bad; you can't see beneath the surface at all. I don't think anything could live in it. That river spills out into the North Sea which is also quite polluted around the mainland of Britain (though not as nearly as badly as that river). With the amount of money that the City of Hull is currently spending to try and update its image and make it more attractive, for businesses and families alike, you'd think that they'd have a program for cleaning it up in effect by now. I think perhaps I'll take a look into that, and see if anything is being done about it. Other than that, it is a nice, reasonably friendly town, although the crime rate has shot up in recent years.

At the moment, I'd have to answer "yes". America is very likely going to be directly used to bring about the creation of the NWO, primarily through its continuing campaign of terror mongering and the invasion of sovereign nations. How much longer will this go on before the rest of the world screams, "something must be done"? We all know more destruction is coming. Bush has recently asked for another $70 billion or so to keep fighting his f*cking wars. And who's paying for that? The American taxpaying public. It is a good thing most Americans don't know just how far in debt this nation is to the global bankers. It recently reached its borrowing limit of $7 trillion, which means that the bankers are right now pulling the plug on the US economy. Within the next five years, it'll be like the Great Depression again, only ten times worse. Why do you think they are building all those prison camps?

Sure, but there are still fundamental differences between European culture and American culture. I've said before how shocked and surprised I was, when I first came to this country, upon realizing just how tightly everything here is legislated, regulated, and controlled. The Government here knows absolutely no limits (see number 12 on your original list), and almost everyone is afraid of its power. They can pretty much do what they want with people here. There is no real accountability at all.

Neo, you know I'm kidding about the castles, but do you really think England or Europe would be any safer than the US?  I would think it would just be a matter of time at best.  The Illuminati might have a few surprises too. 

Kathy

Well ya know, there are those Castles.....

Yeah, but only the wealthy Illuminati sympathizers get to live in those castles. For the rest of us, it's usually something not so grandiose. For the benefit of those NR folks who live in the US (or anywhere other than UK), here are two websites giving virtual tours of both my home town (Hull) and Andy's hometown (Leeds). Just for the hell of it!

http://www.vrhull.co.uk/
http://www.vrleeds.co.uk/

So ... Kathy. Ever thought about moving to England?

Well ya know, there are those Castles.....  
There was that plan for people to meet in northern Canada, too.  I could do the blueberry pancake stand.  Thanx Neo.  I needed that after reading about Iraq today grrrrrrrrrrrr.  I feel better now, though.

Kathy

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The 14 Characteristics of Fascism 
by Lawrence Britt 
Spring 2003 
Free Inquiry magazine 

Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy.

The 14 characteristics are:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

6. Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

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