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I loved this book.  I read it 20 years ago or so.  I still have it on my bookshelf.  What a great group of book readers this forum attracts.  I'm new here, but I love it!!!  Thanks!!

He has a web site  with many essays, poems  and a couple of his books in full.
http://home.netyou.jp/xx/hughcook/home.html

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/189044 … p;n=283155

i think you all will like it quite a lot.

The Children's Hour by James Clavell -- communist/militarly take over - this is an awesome book.

Alas, Babylon -- nuclear war in Florida - Pat Frank

Both are novels -- I wasn't exactly sure if you wanted fact type conspiracy books only because you included 1984 and Brave New World.

Novels are mainly what I wanted, yes.  Thanks a bunch, these both sounds exactly like what I'm looking for.  Thanks!  As for hogrot, I'm getting into Vonnegut now (reading Slaughterhouse Five now, Cat's Cradle sometime soon) and have always meant to read Hitchiker's Guide.  Have you seen the movie?

zonabi wrote:

The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot

Aya, how is this book, i am really interested in holographic theory. havent found a good book on it tho.

It's an excellent book, I highly recommend it.  I had it on my list too, and montalk had it on his list of book recommendations on his website.   For me, the reason I like it is because Talbot uses the holographic theory to explain away a lot of seemingly separate phenomenon.  Not to say it's a "one size fits all!" theory, but he does make you think about a lot of things, makes you see things in a whole new light.  It's easy to read, without being dumbed down, it's fun and informative, you'll learn something and have a good time doing it.   It's just a really good book....go get it!   

I'd have to say this is one of my all time favorites as well! 

Coming from a family imbedded in mainstream science (grandfather PhD in chemistry, father is PhD in electro-chemistry, various other family members in computer & systems theory), this book was a breath of fresh air.  It revitalized my in interest in the crazy/bizzare/unexplainable.  I think for the folks that feel that we've "figured it all out", this is one of the best books I can recommend. 

It was interesting how I fell upon this book.  Sometime last year I had stumbled onto the website montalk.net and was intrigued.  I browsed through the books listed on there and noticed one called Holographic Universe.  The title stuck in my mind.  A couple days later I was at the local library looking for books and I saw a book sticking out partway on the shelf in the science section.  I pulled it out and found the title to be Holographic Universe by Michael Tailbot.  I felt like something was drawing me to that book.  I couldn't put the book down for the next week. 

I agree that some might interpret the book as a "one size fits all" theory.  Actually, he seems to stray from the idea of the holographic theory later in the book and just presents one finding of supernatural occurance after another.  It is a fun book and - if you're like me - difficult to put down once you start!

Nonfiction- Them by John Ronson, and a book called Toxic Sludge is Good for You.

Alas, Babylon -- nuclear war in Florida - Pat Frank

Both are novels -- I wasn't exactly sure if you wanted fact type conspiracy books only because you included 1984 and Brave New World.

Christine B.

So I'd be most interested in something like that if anyone knows.  Preferrably something that is more or less in agreement with what we talk about here (as opposed to fake conspiracies! lol).  I'm also interested in books like "1984" or "Brave New World."  One that I discovered and liked was "It Can't Happen Here" by Sinclair Lewis, about a fascist takeover of the U.S. (written in 1935, no less).  Some like this I intend to read soon include "Fahrenheit 451" by Ray Bradbury, "The Handmaid's Tale" by (I think) Margaret Atwood.  "Jennifer Government" I forgot the author sounds awesome, it's about a future where corporations control our lives to the point that they own children from birth, who then take the company's name as their surname (Like Joe Nike, or the title character).

I'm also interested in reading more landmark sort of books, books that are widely acknowledged to have changed history, for better or worse.  Like "Uncle Tom's Cabin," "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair.  Or any extraordinarily controversial books, or those deemed dangerous to governments or religions and the like.  I also need to read biographies of Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr.  And of course one of these days I'm going to have to get around to reading "Mein Kampf."  It's one of those things that I know I'm going to have to do, but it's just not the sort of thing you take to the beach, you know?

So if anyone has recommendations along the lines of conspiracies, dystopias, manifestos for revolution or the like, let me know.  Hope some of the ones I listed are helpful to someone in exchange.  Most of my non-fiction/metaphysical favorites have already been mentioned in this thread many times.  Thanks!

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   Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:04:10 -0500
   From: "Jason Cook"

This may be off-topic, but talk of going through patterns reminds me so
strongly of the Chronicles of Amber series by my favorite author, Roger
Zelazny.  Amber was the prime reality, from which Shadow dimensions were
reflected, that produced more distorted realities the farther from Amber one
travelled.  The Pattern in that series was a two-dimensional reflection of
the creational pattern of the universe (Hyperdimensional Sacred Geometry?)
that members of the royal blood had to first walk to gain the ability to
"walk between worlds", to pass into dimensions that matched templates of
different realities that they held in their minds.  They weren't sure if
they were creating the realities they could walk to or just tuning their
energy to those realities.  The Pattern was large and complex, and
resistance grew the farther one walked into the pattern, until sparks flew
up from every step and gradually waves of fire and sparks flew in sheets as
one progressed and it was all one could muster to place one foot in front of
the other.  Leaving the pattern, going backwards, or even slowing down too
much or stopping as one approached the end was fatal.  Walking the pattern
would bring memories of one's life and one re-experienced one's life with
new perspective.  So the Pattern-walk was truly a trial by fire on many
levels.  When one completed the Pattern walk, one was rewarded with the
ability to instantly transport oneself to anywhere in the dimensions (one
transport per Pattern-walk).  Most would only walk the Pattern once, the
minimum necessary to gain the ability to walk the dimensions, but those who
chose to walk it more than once and examine their actions over and over
would gain more ability, and those who had conquered the Pattern many times
became god-like.

  I've lately come to the conclusions that artistic types suchs as writers,
artists, musicians (and now ORMUS users) are spiritually open enough to
sense the truth of reality perhaps a little more than those who aren't as
receptive to creative impulses (perhaps even being sent to us consciously by
more advanced beings), and Zelazny's work, especially on this series, is
literally saturated with iconic images and concepts that always fascinated
me, even at 12 years old when I first read the series.  I hope some others
here will be tempted to read and enjoy the series.  I've read thousands of
fiction books (probably over 6,000) and this series has to be in the top
two.

Jason

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There is even more to the Amber series than I described.  The opposite
"pole" to Amber was Chaos, which one moved closer to the farther from Amber
one journeyed.  True to the definition of chaos, things were more and more
unpredictable and chaotic the closer one moved to Chaos, to the point that
spiritually/psychically weaker explorers were no longer sure of their
reality/sanity/consciousness/sense of self.  Another parallel is that the
members of the "pure" bloodline of Amber considered the Shadow universes
reflected from Amber to be not as "real" as Amber, and in their opinion, had
no rights, not being "real" in their eyes.

YES, the "Zone" that musicians, writers, artists, athletes, , etc speak of
or where physical activity sublimates the ego-consciousness.  I used to live
in the Zone as a child and teenager as an artist.  The Amber series was one
of the strongest series of books that could put me in the Zone as I was
reading it, to the point where I was not conscious of reading at all, I was
just there in the story.  It seems to me there is a very strong chance that
Zelazny was tapping into some of the "cosmic truth" as he was writing the
series.

To understand the matrix, you must understand child development and the role that upbringing plays in how the matrix works.  No one does this better than Pearce.

His most recent "The Biology of Transcendance" is his best.  Awesome peice of work... by an author now well into his 80's.

So, that's my plug.

Thanks for shareing everyone.

Flinter

Starpeople : The Sirian Redemption by Linda Tuck-Jenkins
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de … mp;s=books

Getting There: A Novel by Michael Roads http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de … mp;s=books

The Shift: An Awakening by John English  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de … p;n=507846

Alright now my little children, in an hour montalk will be deleting these last few posts. montalk doesn't like it when people are mean to each other. people have feelings and it's not nice to hurt other people's feelings. Be good! .

HA HA Oh so funny!!!!