Joseph at least you found positivity from a negative situation, which is the lesson to be learned.

cheers
z

First of all it taught me a lot about myself. Skillful and unskillful behaviour. Love and hatred. Hope and fear.

Second it taught me about my friends - their loyalty and hangups. I actually got very much closer, to some people, because of what happened on the Board.

Third it taught me about being positive about my Opponents. I looked at the work of this man called Henry. If you read his hyperlinks  - that deal with his writtings -they carry many profound and useful insights. Let me never be blind to a person's good qualities and attributes. Henry has a lot to offer people. That is what I found when I couldn't post anything and could only look.

Fourth it taught me to hold onto what is truly of "value". I am prepared to swallow my pride and pursue my studies of the Dharma. Is it worth giving up this "spiritual quest" in order to hate a man? No!

"Let me never forget that Henry is a human being like myself. Keep compassion". If I have to say this a hundred thousand times then so be it.

Joe

Regards,
WMHAOI

"The Sabbath serves Man . Man does not serve the Sabbath."

Joe

Neomatrix, I don't think someone is a closet fascist or mindless drone when one is a participant of a religion.

I'm not saying that all people who participate within religions are themselves closet fascists or mindless drones. What I said was that religions themselves, not the followers, are full of shit and promote conformity--not individuality. Religious institutions are group entities espousing one specific path or idea for its followers to achieve spiritual liberation (some are, however, much better than others). I have no problem with any one person sharing their beliefs or techniques that have worked for them, but I do have a problem with people building groups around such ideas. It denies the nature of spirit as a truly unique aspect of creation when one tries to follow too closely in the footsteps of another. I guess my views on religious structures are much the same as my views on political structures: I see both as totally unnecessary. It's that "closet anarchistic" thing in me again. Tear down those useless heirarchies; you are your own teacher and your own spiritual master. You need no other. Kiss no one else's ass.

Yes, I do. See above. They all teach a specific "right" way to spiritual salvation/liberation. The Church of the SubGenius is more of a parody of real religions than an actual religion itself--although some might dispute that.

Yes, and funnily enough the mindless drones are almost always the ones at the top of the heirarchy! The best thing anyone can do with religion is to use it as a springboard for spiritual awakening, and then transcend the need for it.

As always, I reserve my own opinion for myself and encourage others to do likewise :-D

I've said all I want to about Religion for the time being. Bet that makes you happy!?!

all the best  - Joseph

Can you see why I am so angry?

You appear to be angry because e-sangha moderator henry mentioned that you wouldn't be able understand the answers.

As you brought this to my attention I have looked at henry of e-sangha's and your remarks to offer my 2 cents:

JOSEPH: Could it be because you are a bit unapproachable? A bit proud?
henry: it is pretty difficult to deal with nasty people, believe me. one hand, you have compassion for that person, on the other hand, you need to sacrifice his membership for the sake of peaceful & harmony within this forum.
JOSEPH: He called me a "nasty person" and "proud"

bumblebee: henry didn't call you proud, you called henry proud.

henry: "wow~! you certainly ask lots of questions.
JOSEPH: i asked "to many questions"

bumblebee: lots does not necessarily equal "to many", which would be a value judgement

henry: "even they are explained, i don't think that you will able to understand the answers."
JOSEPH: even if I read up on many buddhist books I would still be too stupid to understand

bumblebee: perhaps henry meant (although he wrote poorly and perhaps should have inlcuded the words IF and NOW):
"even if I answered/explained your current questions now, i don't think you will able to understand the answers without adequate background. So I advise you to read books and the forum archives."

Perhaps you didn't consider that interpretation, but interpreted it immediately as an insult (whether it was one or not), perhaps there are just cultural differences, or both. From there it escalated, you were prevented from posting (temporarily?) at e-sangha and you posted your 5 out-of-context points on NR. Point 5, you mistakingly attribute to henry, but in reality it's by another observer called Dave from Germany:
"5)One thing is for sure, our Global Moderator is the opposite of what you mistakenly recognized, it is rather you own mind which mirrows back to you.
Hope you will learn to see your mistake"

Allahu Akbar, bumblebee

ps. Concerning all the wrongs in the name of God, the sucking of life by those pretending to foster it - who is not to think this a shame?

I went to E-Sangha with an open and sincere heart. I was snubbed on by a power freak called Henry. Apparently ,this bastard, is high up in the Buddhist world.A Lamma and an academic  - certainly a monk. He writes his books from a Sakapa monastry just outside of Singapore. Being part of a repressive Sakya Tradition, and an undemocratic country, Henry finds it difficult to allow orinary people to answer back at authority. 

http://www.sakyatenphelling.org/

Go to the links and you will see how it all started. I asked "too many questions". I was told that even if I read up on many buddhist books I would stoill be too stupid to understand. I told Henry to go away but he kept stalking me. Then I retaliated by telling him to "piss off".

Now according to the rules of the Forum I was to be given a warning. You are allowed five infringments before being banned. This was my first warning but he banned me all the same. Even when other longstanding members of E-Sangha complained that he was being unfair it still did not make any difference to this bastard. Many offered their support to me, in private, but are too afraid of this person to oppose him in public.

Apparently "Henry" (an assumed name ) has done these appaling character assainations to other well meaning people who where searching the dharma way.He called me a "nasty person" and "proud". All I did was stand up to his bullying ways.

People saw my resistance to this intimidation, on the Internet, before I got banned. I started getting e-mails from people all around  the world telling me about their abuse from religious leaders. One Lady told me how she was made to kiss her swami Master's feet every time he got angry with her. Whether she deserved it or not.

My hatred is for all religios leaders that try to enslave believers in Buddha, Jesus or Allah. They are parasites feeding on peoples devotion to their true God or Aspiration (as they are entitled to believe).

What are these religious leaders doing to people like you and me?

In Iran they are publicly hanging teenage girls from ropes attached to cranes. In Iraq they cutting peoples heads off. In Saudi it is a capital punishment. In religious America people are being electrocutied, shot and poisned. You have a Pope who condemns married women who choose contraception. Yet for so long the Pope denied that there was widespread child abuse being done by his catholic priesthood. Roman Catholic priests were moved to other parishes in Ireland to keep the abuse hidden.

Can you see why I am so angry?

Joe

avoid, avoid, avoid, avoid, avoid... drone-like one-liners.
mmm... that was a one-liner too.

Joe, I don't think you should conclude that buddhism is not about compassion based on your online experience of a moderator who happens to be buddhist. The only thing you can conclude is that "moderator is not compassionate according to your own mind". Perhaps you should take a deep breath and let Henry just be a bully if you think he is one. Meditate, read buddhist books, find a buddhist teacher... better then a webforum imo.

Some e-sangha forum topics pertaining to the issue JOE had (or has) with e-sangha moderator henry (reg. required):

A Brief Sketch On 6 Major Texts Of Buddhist......., by Aenpo Kyabgon Rinpoche
http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index. … topic=1441

Meditation question, White Tara
http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index. … topic=9043

***White Tara
http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index. … topic=9068

***Meditation Question, From Topic ID: 9043
http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index. … topic=9100

Allahu Akbar