Noble Realms — Ann Coulter, Michael Moore - Right & Left....But no place for me!

Re: Ann Coulter, Michael Moore - Right & Left....But no place for me!

null@example.com (dreamosis) — Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:58:22 +0000

I can't add much more to the thread at this point, but I did form this connection: Ann Coulter's emotionality reveals her as a propagandist in my opinion.

Propaganda is said to have three ingredients: (1) high emotional charge (2) simplicity; and (3) sloganization.

Coulter strikes out on all three.

And the fact that she can't remember details from a book she wrote tells me that the viscerally simplisitic, emotional message of the book was more important to her (or her controllers) than the actual information.

...Which fits in as well with the raison d'etre of propaganda: it doesn't exist to make you believe or even think a certain way, but to get you swept up in emotion and to paralyze you from acting.

Re: Ann Coulter, Michael Moore - Right & Left....But no place for me!

null@example.com (Infinity_+_1) — Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:47:40 +0000

too funny!!!...please be carefull if your drinking hot coffee while listening to this one

Re: Ann Coulter, Michael Moore - Right & Left....But no place for me!

null@example.com (lyra) — Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:12:06 +0000

RonD wrote:

I am surprised to see Ann Coulter being read and discussed in this forum or by anyone. Oh well. No reason to comment any further till I'm willing to dance with her energy field. I wish her well.

Why would you be surprised? I guess you haven't taken a good look around NR to see the topics being discussed. Possibly might want to take a moment to peruse the "Current Events" "Conspiracy" and "General Discussion" threads to get an idea of the assorted myriad of material discussed at Noble Realms.

It seemed to me, and others, that the idea of a programmed person sent out into the world to spout a programmed recording in order to divide and distract the general public is definitely suitable for NR. It's exactly the sort of thing being discussed around here. Especially on a forum by Montalk, who writes articles on Matrix Agents, and all the rest.

(also, had you taken the time to actually read the thread from the beginning, you would have seen that I never claimed to "read" Ann Coulter. I came across her book at B&N, picked it up and began skimming it. I read enough to take some mental notes, then came back home and started this thread....like, a year ago. But I don't "read" Ann Coulter. And yet, I also don't live in a cave, so I am aware of what's out there...including Ann Coulter. Nothing wrong with that.)

Re: Ann Coulter, Michael Moore - Right & Left....But no place for me!

null@example.com (RonD) — Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:40:40 +0000

I am surprised to see Ann Coulter being read and discussed in this forum or by anyone. Oh well. No reason to comment any further till I'm willing to dance with her energy field. I wish her well.

Re: Ann Coulter, Michael Moore - Right & Left....But no place for me!

null@example.com (lyra) — Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:15:42 +0000

dreamosis wrote:

Weird how she avoided rebuttling, or owning up to clear problems in her arguments, by blanket-attacking liberals.
Weird how she mostly responded by getting indignant.
Most weird how she didn't even remember details of the books she had written when Alex Jones asked her about them.
Weird how she told Alex she was "bored" when she was clearly angry.
Weird how she knew about Bohemian Grove: "Oh, yeah, that frat boy party...they dress up as women, etc., etc." but played it off like it was nothing. Even if it's just a frat boy thing, it's still pretty weird.
Then when she figured out what kind of show she was on, it was all "nuts," "nutball," "black helicopters" this and that. It brought me back to labels. Labels are used to kill interest, stop investigation, stop debate.

You noticed all the things we noticed too....it was a bit unreal, wasn't it? Especially that trivial little detail about not remembering half of what she wrote in her books when presented with quotes by Alex!!

I think that's around the time that the lightbulb went off in my head that she was programmed. I can remember every detail of everything I've written. My writings are my babies. I can't imagine writing an actual mainstream published (best selling? I don't know) book like she did and then just, FORGETTING what I wrote. ?? How weird would that be.

Combining these specific details:

- The insults fly off her so easily, like a record spinning in her mind; the hateful rage is just always there with her, under the surface;

- She can't actually intelligently argue or back up her own points that just fly so easily out of her mouth;

- She can't remember what she's written in her books;

...And yes, I'd definitely say "programming."

I have an image of her being locked up in some room by government "thems" with electrodes stuck to her head, being barraged with brainwashing imagery and audio to match.

Then they stick her in what's supposed to be her trademark "hot" black leather dress or black leather skirt ensemble, make sure she has long blonde hair, and send her out into the world to be the programmed robotic tool of TPTB, spewing hate, discord, distraction and division among the masses.

It's so funny too that she had this knee jerk thing about "black helicopters." I mean, where did that come from? What a weird, obscure detail! I guess in her programming sessions she was taught all the mainstream conspiracy points....and programmed to use that as a knee-jerk weapon. I'd be like, C'mon Ann....the black helis! They match your dress! They're cool, c'mon, watcha talkin' about anyway??

Anyway, there's really nothing I could say here about it all that the audio clip from Alex Jones doesn't say!

Re: Ann Coulter, Michael Moore - Right & Left....But no place for me!

null@example.com (GibbleTronic) — Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:11:19 +0000

Heh,

On the subject of pie-throwing, back in the day there was a group of college kids who would bake several multi-level trays of pies, and for a small fee, they would pie a target of your choice, but there was a catch: Before unleashing their pies, they would first declare who it was who hired them, and if the intended target would double their fee on the spot, they would turn and pie their origional employer!

I'm no fan of Michael Moore, but at least his positions are consistent with what he believes is best for EVERYONE involved. This is something that Ann Coulter can NEVER claim. That's all.

Re: Ann Coulter, Michael Moore - Right & Left....But no place for me!

null@example.com (dreamosis) — Sat, 15 Apr 2006 05:52:37 +0000

I just listened to the Ann Coulter/Alex Jones interview and...weird!

Weird how she kept insisting that the president can only focus on three issues (Why? What is that about? It seems like the perspective of somebody working for a politician.)

Weird how she avoided rebuttling, or owning up to clear problems in her arguments, by blanket-attacking liberals.

Weird how she mostly responded by getting indignant.

Most weird how she didn't even remember details of the books she had written when Alex Jones asked her about them.

Weird how she told Alex she was "bored" when she was clearly angry.

Weird how she knew about Bohemian Grove: "Oh, yeah, that frat boy party...they dress up as women, etc., etc." but played it off like it was nothing. Even if it's just a frat boy thing, it's still pretty weird.

Then when she figured out what kind of show she was on, it was all "nuts," "nutball," "black helicopters" this and that. It brought me back to labels. Labels are used to kill interest, stop investigation, stop debate.

Re: Ann Coulter, Michael Moore - Right & Left....But no place for me!

null@example.com (SednaSphere) — Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:42:10 +0000

Not to mention the four and twenty blackbirds that were baked into the pie!

Re: Ann Coulter, Michael Moore - Right & Left....But no place for me!

null@example.com (lyra) — Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:08:59 +0000

Thanks for the info! And believe you me, I wouldn't waste a pie by throwing it at somebody either! End pie abuse! Eat 'em, don't throw 'em!

You know, Ann's going to have a field day with this, using it as an example of how immature and childish liberals can be. She's right though. A liberal at an Ann Coulter speech shouldn't be giving her ammunition, which is what they did. So in that sense they deserve whatever return criticism she hurls back at them. What they should have done is to tackle her - no pun intended! - with the same approach that Alex Jones uses in the clip that was posted by czyx earlier. THAT'S the to take somebody on, in any debate or disagreement, whether it be politics, or something else. Forget throwing pie at them.......throw the facts at them, like Alex did, and have ALL your sources memorized off the top of your head. You can never lose! And you will have saved a poor little pie!

Re: Ann Coulter, Michael Moore - Right & Left....But no place for me!

null@example.com (Auendove) — Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:51:34 +0000

Definition : Assault & Battery

An intentional and unjustified use of force on another person,
regardless of how slight, or

A willful, wanton and reckless act that causes personal injury
to another person.

Incarceration & Fines: 0 days, up to 2 1/2 years & $0.00, up to $500.00

And then I entered "Assault and Battery with a Cream Pie" in my search engine ... I LOVE the SFGate! Although this piece has a different background to it it does address the same grave pie maliciousness.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c … S13774.dtl

When the pie hits your eye, it's not amore
ROB MORSE, EXAMINER COLUMNIST
FUNNY HOW innocent baked goods can bring out the best and worst in people. I don't mean the smiling grandmothers who hold charity bake sales, or the rude yuppies who chaw on baguettes in supermarket lines. I mean pies in the face. In San Francisco, a pie in the mayor's face has led to stupid and seemingly endless political posing. A group of silly people, who probably would be streakers in another decade, jammed pies topped with tofu cream in the mayor's face. They were laughing, but on the TV news they looked ugly and dangerous. Most people were appalled. This is our mayor. He represents us. This was a pie in our faces. The mayor wrestled one of the twerps to the ground. That's good - downright Jesse Ventura-like, in fact. Next there was a demonstration by African American civic leaders protesting a demeaning assault on one of the most important black elected officials in the United States. The goal of throwing a pie in someone's face is humiliation, not humor, and it hardly qualifies as a political critique. The pie throwers said they wanted to bring attention to the homeless problem. As if a splattering of pie does the job better than a walk down Powell Street. Then came the trial, and real insults to our intelligence. A lawyer for the pie throwers told a Superior Court jury that, because of the higher purpose to the pieing, his clients should be acquitted of charges of misdemeanor battery and assault on a public official. "The purpose was to change the course of policy on homeless crimes through media attention and discussions afterward." And here we are in the media discussing the hazards of pies and the nature of racism. After the three pie throwers were convicted of battery, but not of assault on a public official, Brown was angry. "They were guilty of attacking me, but not attacking me as mayor," he told Channel 2. "I hope they're not just attacking me because I'm black." Wait a minute. Let's put the race card back in the deck. It's one thing for black community leaders to be offended by a humiliating pie attack on Mayor Brown. But it sounds like misplaced insecurity coming from a mayor who was elected overwhelmingly by a multiracial citizenry. The Simple Simon Brigade could have been attacking him because of his expensive clothes. They could have been attacking him because of his pointed wit. They could have been attacking him just because he's mayor. In the past that's been enough for attacks, physical and otherwise, on white mayors. They probably did it just to get on TV. If so, it really worked. Idiots do idiotic things for lots of idiotic reasons. In San Francisco, though, organized idiots feel the need to have high-sounding political excuses - like doing it for the homeless. There are enough racists in the city, state and nation - real racists, insidious racists, racists in positions of power - without the mayor suggesting he was hit by racially motivated pies. Just look at what's going on in Washington. A president who is very popular with black Americans is the defendant in an impeachment trial that smells like a musty Confederate uniform. Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott and the most rabid prosecutor, Bob Barr, give speeches at meetings of the Council of Conservative Citizens - a direct descendant of the old segregationist White Citizens Council. Leaders of the Council of Conservative Citizens have said things like "Demographics is destiny" and "The most critical thing is to preserve the genetic basis of our race." In 1992, Lott told a meeting of the group, "The people in this room stand for the right principles and the right philosophy." That kind of stuff is much scarier than pies. This year Rep. Barr, an impeachment manager, was a keynote speaker at a meeting of the council, where there was literature about the inferiority of blacks and pro-Confederacy tracts. Perhaps we should wonder why Clinton is in trouble for lying about sex, while it's all right for his tormentors to have strange bedsheet fellows. We live in a nation where there's real racism, although the Council of Conservative Citizens prefers to call it "racialism." Mayor Brown knows as much as anyone about racism. Yes, there's plenty of racism in supposedly tolerant San Francisco, and sometimes you can hear it in talk about Brown. One of the best politicians in America is sometimes called a "black politician." A television columnist once tossed off a line about a hat the mayor was wearing as looking like "a pimp hat." Lord knows, there are white pimps with hats, but it didn't sound good. Some folks say Brown looks out only for "his people." Look at the people who voted for him, and you'll see that's an awful lot of people, Asian and Latino, black and white, rich and poor. He has been serving the rich better than the homeless, that's for sure. It doesn't mean he should be hit by a pie. The pie people aren't racists. They're clowns. They committed a crime, but not a hate crime.
Let the punishment fit the crime. Let them bake pies for the homeless.

Imagine... encited Liberals baking pies for the extreme right, now that would be a little some-something to see!

I agree, throwing a pie at someone is not a very mature way to make a political statement.

But then again this person had a different take on it--

http://www.satyamag.com/jul00/rosenbeger.html

Vegetarian Advocate: How to Throw a Tofu Cream Pie
By Jack Rosenberger

Secretary of Agriculture Dan Glickman had just taken his position behind the podium at the opening session of the National Nutrition Summit and started to speak when 23-year-old Arathi Jayaram, a PETA member, jumped on the stage, called Glickman a "Meat pimp," and threw a tofu cream pie at him. Unfortunately for Jayaram (and the assembled press photographers), Glickman ducked–the pie hit only the back of his jacket.
Before being dragged off stage, Jayaram shouted, "Shame on you, Dan Glickman, for pushing meat and promoting animal cruelty." According to a PETA press release, Jayaram was inspired to pie Glickman because of his "refusal to acknowledge that a meat-based diet is killing people, despite proof of its links to obesity and nutritional problems."
To Pie or Not to Pie
Some social justice activists are opposed to pie-ing. The two main arguments against pie-throwing are that it’s violent and an inappropriate method of political expression. I disagree. As for the claim of violence, a person who gets a pie tossed in her or his face isn’t physically harmed. "A pie is not a gun," says one pie adherent. "A pie is not a knife. A pie is not a rock."
Being hit with a tofu cream pie is nothing compared to what millions of nonhuman animals are forced to endure every day. "On factory farms," PETA notes, "chickens have their beaks sliced off with a hot blade, pigs have their tails chopped off and their teeth removed with pliers, and male cows and pigs are castrated, all without anesthesia."
Besides, we’re engaged in a struggle for justice. This isn’t a badminton match. Some clothes are going to be soiled, some egos will be bruised, some people are going to be hurt.
As a means of political expression, hitting an opponent in the face with a tofu cream pie is merely one utensil in an animal-rights activist’s toolbox. Pie-throwing is an age-old tactic of political theater. Also, a properly aimed pie is a unique weapon–nothing else works quite so well at visually deflating a wrongdoer.
Pie Throwing 101
Internationally, pie-throwing may be enjoying a resurgence. Several organizations, such as Pastrymakers Without Borders, are dedicated to it. In San Francisco, the Biotic Baking Brigade has pied more than a half-dozen public figures, including economist Milton Friedman, Pacific Lumber Company CEO Charles Hurwitz, and San Francisco Mayor Willie L. Brown, Jr. In Europe, Belgian Noel Godin and his band of collaborators, called L’Entarteur, have done in more than 20 persons, including several French government officials, film director Jean-Luc Godard, various philosophers and historians, and, most famously, Microsoft chairman Bill Gates. In the past, PETA has garnered a substantial amount of publicity by pie-ing its foes, such as Procter & Gamble chairman John E. Pepper, to protest animal testing or other atrocities committed against nonhuman animals.
How to Throw a Tofu Cream Pie
The recipe for successfully pie-ing an animal abuser involves several key ingredients: careful planning, proximity, the element of surprise, and an abundance of pies.
When L’Entarteur creamed Bill Gates in Paris, the operation involved 32 persons, many of whom were carrying tarts hidden in camera bags or under their coats, while they waited for the Microsoft chairman in the street. "The secret is to have precise information," Godin has said. "Our friends in Paris knew how the visit was planned and gave us all the details the day before."
Godin and his followers try to confuse their intended victim, the police and any bodyguards by appearing as ridiculous as possible. They paste exaggerated smiles on their faces, utter nonsense poetry and chant "gloup, gloup, gloup" (an expression that derives from Godin’s pseudonym Georges le Gloupier) before descending on their target with whip cream tarts.
Jayaram’s assault was less than 100 percent successful because she lacked the element of surprise. Glickman saw Jayaram approach and managed to turn away in time. If she had been accompanied by an accomplice, Jayaram might have nailed Glickman in the kisser at the podium. Jayaram and her accomplice could have approached Glickman and when the accomplice, say, handed Glickman a piece of paper, Jayaram could have struck when Glickman leaned forward and his momentum prevented him from quickly moving away.
Lastly, when it comes to airborne pies, less isn’t more, for example, the Biotic Baking Brigade, which caught San Francisco mayor Brown in a cross-fire of cherry, tofu, and pumpkin pies.
Probation or Prison?
While pie-throwing is a mainstay of political theater, the pie-ed party may file charges against her or his assailant. Jayaram was charged with assault, which carries a recommended penalty of up to a year imprisonment. (Odds are she’ll get probation.) The three members of the Biotic Baking Brigade who hit Mayor Brown were arrested and charged with assault and battery. A jury found the trio not guilty of assault, but guilty of battery.
The prosecution had recommended a term of three-years probation, which the threesome rejected, saying probation would prevent them from further protests. Instead, they were sentenced to six months in county jail. Prior to the Biotic Baking Brigade’s trial last year, no pie-throwing case had gone to trial in America in 20 years.

So, there ya go!

I love pie, all kinds of pie, I have even won a Blue Ribbon for my Apple/Macadamia Nut Pie... I know pie, but you wouldn't catch me throwing one at somebody, no matter how offensive I think they are.

LOL! It's utter pie abuse if you ask me... and this is the real crime!

Re: Ann Coulter, Michael Moore - Right & Left....But no place for me!

null@example.com (lyra) — Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:21:18 +0000

This just in.........Two Men Arrested For Hurling Pies at Ann Coulter.......

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&a … peech_pies

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U.S. National - AP

Two Arrested for Hurling Pies at Columnist

Fri Oct 22, 6:04 AM ET U.S. National - AP

TUCSON, Ariz. - Two men ran onstage and threw custard pies at conservative columnist Ann Coulter as she was giving a speech at the University of Arizona, hitting her in the shoulder, police said.

University police arrested the men but did not release their identities.

In her half-hour speech Thursday night, Coulter trashed Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites) and derided liberals and Democrats while saluting conservative students who attended her speech.

Coulter writes a column for Universal Press Syndicate. Her appearance was sponsored by the UA College Republicans.

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Is that illegal to do that? I would assume / expect that any "pie hurlers" at any event would of course be escorted out by security, and if the recipient victim(s) of said pie hurling *choose* to press charges later on, they may do so, but is it legal to just automatically arrest the pie tossers??

Maybe pie tossing is now considered "terrorism" ? A threat to homeland security?

I don't know. But, anybody with a legal background or legal knowledge out there know this?

Re: Ann Coulter, Michael Moore - Right & Left....But no place for me!

null@example.com (SednaSphere) — Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:24:28 +0000

Having just listened to the interview as well, I must say that although she's as insufferable as ever, Coulter doesn't seem to be able to "have fun being a Neo-Con shill" like she did during the beginning of the war and before the 9-11 report window time period of public doubt. Sheesh. Now she sounds dull and tired and relentlessly
deadened in her mind control. This is what happens to these people. "What goes up must come down." I can't imagine a better proof that the shills on the extreme right and left in particular are some sort of psycho-agents. Big time. Listening to her on panels used to depress me, but this time she could not hold her own against a real conservative, even. Wow. Alex Jones really made her look "out of it." She couldn't handle his relentless facts, so her mind controlled autopilot went on with all the "that's ridiculous"'s and "this is crazy"'s. Huh huh. Really rich coming from a robot.

Re: Ann Coulter, Michael Moore - Right & Left....But no place for me!

null@example.com (Neomatrix) — Thu, 21 Oct 2004 05:30:29 +0000

OMFG, ROFLMAO! That Ann Coulter interview has got to be the single funniest damned thing I've heard all year!

Re: Ann Coulter, Michael Moore - Right & Left....But no place for me!

null@example.com (morningsun76) — Thu, 21 Oct 2004 05:16:05 +0000

Just finished listening to the show. AWESOME as always. Alex Jones is one of the few true patriots out there making some noise. If you haven't already be sure and help him out by getting some of his videos or subscribing to his website.

Two other extremely worthy people are Jeff Rense with his radio show, and especially Jordan Maxwell who exposes occult foundations of religions, fraternal orders and governments.

Re: Ann Coulter, Michael Moore - Right & Left....But no place for me!

null@example.com (lyra) — Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:44:20 +0000

czyx.............We just listened to the Alex Jones clip you provided.......oh my lord! I actually stood up and was *dancing around!* in some parts, going "YES!!!" People, you HAVE to listen to this. If you love Alex Jones, if you disagree with Ann Coulter, then this is a must-hear program. He nails her to the wall on EVERYTHING I mentioned in my opening post. He starts out nice, complimenting her up and down, emphasizing her extensive education and legal background and exposure to the political world, then begins grilling her with the questions. And let me tell you, this woman is PROGRAMMED. I suspected it beforehand, I wrote about it here, but after listening to this, there is NO doubt in my mind. You know how I know? Because Alex Jones directly confronts her on all the ways that Bush and his cabinet have lied or pulled the rug out under the American people and acted in the same identical ways as all the "liberals" she's always trashing, and he even cites article after article after source after source for all of his claims, everything ranging from 9/11 to Bohemian Grove to this to that, and what does she do?????

She repeatedly denies ALL of it. "Oh, that's just PURPOSTEROUS!" "THAT'S not true!" "That's a lie!" "Oh, that's just RIDICULOUS! That never happened! It's simply not true!" "Where do you GET this stuff from??" (to which he'd cite like 3 or 4 mainstream news articles off the top of his head....he's lightening fast and on the ball....) Then there'd be silence and she'd just laugh nervously and respond with, "That's not true."

!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Holy Shiii-ite!!!!

No matter how many sources Alex has, how much proof, she just repeatedly denies all of it.

She ADMITS in one breath that she has NEVER READ THE PATRIOT ACT, then turns around and claims, all self-assured like, that there's NOTHING wrong with the Act, there's NO civil liberties being broken, ETC. ETC. to which Alex and his call in listener both chimed in with "BUT YOU NEVER READ IT! So how can you know that??" Seriously, how can somebody claim something about something they haven't read?? Well, she does!!! Repeatedly!!!

I was ASTOUNDED. She repeatedly denied knowing ANYTHING about most of the crap that Alex Jones listeners / NR frequenters / conspiracy theorists take for granted. Stuff that's old hat for us she was just *completely* in the dark about. She claimed to know NOTHING about prisoners being tortured to death at U.S. dentention camps, even though it's been in the news. She had nothing to say about the fact that Rumsfeld lied about Patriot Act II, but now admits that yeah, it exists, here it is. No comment on THAT. (Remember, Republicans never lie! It's only those amoral liberals who lie! )

God, I could go on and on. You just have to listen to this yourself. It's BRILLIANT. All I can say is, Alex Jones kicks ass. If you had to sum him up in a nutshell, he's an old school conservative who believes in the country that the U.S. used to be, that it was originally intended to be. His parting comment to Ann Coulter? "Thanks for being a NeoCon Trojan Horse!" Gotta love it. He also accused her of worshipping Bush and of being a NeoCon shill. Then he told his listeners "not to buy her book about mindless topics that don't matter anymore", and called her book "side distractions." WOOHOO! Listen to it, it's better than ANYTHING on T.V. And thanks again to czyx for posting this.