From Globe A to Globe D is descent.  What we have, is a lot of hard wiring.  Our brain/mind is there to utilize in mulaprakriti.  A lot is left behind by the time we are on Globe D.  There is seperation.  Yet, it is not complete as there is interblending.  It is simply the fact of what we have as being dominant by the relative reality of this existence in dense matter.  I've only spoke of the four heavens and the seven Globes, and very poorly at that.  Due to the extreme brevity of it.  Also, I'm only a study myself.  I'm not close to having a mastery of a comprhensive understanding.

It seems that a lot of mention is given on this forum of our simply ascending to what it is, which is above and/or beyond all that I described.  I don't know...  perhaps some or many of us are worthy of bypassing our natural path of evolving.  Perhaps it is our tacit awareness or intuition of how easy it is to do things that are injurious, harmful to other living beings and go in that direction at length.  We always have rationalizations for these actions.  Inside each of us though, we know what is correct and what is false.  What I'm saying is that maybe we are aware of how easy it is to 'fuck-up', existing within temptation.  I'm unsure what is worse;  happening to be a human who has done harm to another living entity, or rather, the thought patterns developed and engrained into people who seem to find reasons for doing others harm. 

I'm entering into abstraction and really don't want to.  I'll leave that to Supreme Court Justices as they interpret the Constitution of the United States. 

To get back to your point;  I have read how it is that we perceive our environment, and in fact, possibly make it manifest within the limitations of our ability to realize.    The submission then, would be that this existence can swing toward the more or the less.  Some people make jokes at the expense of the 'you create your reality' position, on the grounds I can only assume, that there is more than just humanity involved in creating reality, and in fact, we are minor participants.  The Divine and the Spiritual are the real creationists.  We like to claim that our mostly Ego controlled existences create reality. 

Bottom line, I'm concerned about how easy it is for me, to do things based on selfish desires.  When someone makes me angry, and in fact, they did act very incorrectly and I'm very justified in being angry.  Still, it seems like I enjoy this anger and go beyond whatever it is they did, becoming the greater evil.  So I try to mitigate this by letting those around me realize that I'm extremely harmless.  This fails in that they stupidly perceive this harmlessness as weakness.  So I have to make an added correction of being fierce, which has nothing to do with anger or aggression, but my will is nothing less than unwavering.

but I was curious on one idea if we are living the D plane which is a count of 4 after A,B,C that mean we are living a 4d life and that might imply to our etheric existence but on more of a physicl realm aren't we still 3d..or is it that we are living on a 4D but can't precieve it..but end up precieving the wrold in a 3D due to our assemblage point and mind programming from birth...

If you check out any of Kahnsentrayshun's messages, you will see as his signature, a link to Montalk's article on the subject.  I had simply come across a different way of describing the 42 Principles.  When I was reading of loka's and tala's.  In the realm of manifestation there are seven Earth's.  In this case, I only speak of the seven.  Globe A is on a grade more ethereal than Globe B, as Globe B is more ethereal than Globe C.  We are on Globe D, the most material.  The next, Globe E, is on the same plane of ethereality as Globe C, as Globe F is with Globe B, and Globe G with Globe A.  What is beyond that, I'm not speaking of as it is very abstract, and even with what I am discussing now, I'm being concise to a fault.

This brings to mind how the Hindu's, or rather, since we are now to assume that Hindu is a generalizing term for what are really a lot of many different religions: I feel like I should now say, that which is written in Sanskrit describes that there are many different levels, grades, planes of existence.  In fact, the only reason they might be described as hells is that ANY existence that is not Devachan or Nirvana may accurately be described as a hell.  With this said, I can actually say that there are many so called hells which are quite a bit better than this existence you and I share right now.

It was when I was reading of how manifesting began, starting with Globe A, elemental group number one began, living out their cycle of lives and then becoming dormant.  As elemental group number two begins its cycles of lives on Globe A, the complete manifestation of elemental group number one is on Globe A, but somehow there is a surplus of elemental group number one that is pulled down to, attracted to Globe B to begin cycles of lives on it.  This is where the text made reference to the 42 Principles or 42 Fires, or 42 Sons of God.  Third description I added.  It was when explaining how there is something left over of the first elemental group, some sort of surplus that goes on to the next Globe.  All three elemental groups do this with all seven Globes.  Then minerals, plants, beasts, and humans.  There is a point where all seven Globes are peopled with humans.  We are not contemporaneous to each other, but we will be at some point in our evolution.  As it still does not explain the 42 Principles completely to me, and causes a nagging in my mind, it does lead to some idea's.  As to what it is of me, you, everyone here on Globe D that goes on to Globe E.  As time approaches for us to ascend to the next Globe, (Globe E) perhaps we simply finish our lives, conclude our lives here and when we manifest again on Globe E we will consist of a finer quality of being living on an Earth more ethereal.  I would say it would be a much more beautiful existence than even this currently magnificent Earth we now enjoy.

The term Middle Earth is probably familiar to most people from seeing the "Lord of the Rings" movie.   Four levels, four grades, four planes, four heavens.  It seems strange, three levels above our Earth, the fourth heaven, is Globe A.  We are more advanced than they are.  However, three levels up is also Globe G.  I wonder which Globe humans of Globe G would find more commonality with; Globe A or our Globe D?  If you were to draw a diagram of these Globes it would look sort of like the letter V.  Globe A top left; Globe D bottom; Globe G top right.  Note the distance between them?  This forth heaven is very ethereal, I would even say exalted by its very nature.  Do you understand how a human of this Globe D might judge angels?  We've already lived out lives on Globes A; B; C.  Our degree of sophistication is much greater, yet they possess whatever attributes, qualities, abilities, information that only a being existing in the higher heavens could possess.  Humans on Globes E; G; and F would have the above inherent in them as well, but add to that an even higher level of sophistication than we have on Globe D.  Especially so on Globe G.  I wonder what, if any, interactions go on among these different Globes.

It makes me wonder.  If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now.  It's just a spring-clean for the May Queen...

Yes, there are two paths you can go by,  but in the long run, there's still time to change the road your on...

When I first came here, I saw a person smoking a cigarette, so I tried one.  I didn't know that you do not inhale the whole cigarette with one inhalation

Hahhh, just trying to freak you out.  That's from an old science fiction movie I saw a long time ago.

What if everyone we met every new day in front of us was treated like a long lost friend or loved one by us?!...and I mean with the real energy we have and project when we meet up with a long lost friend or loved one! 

What if everywhere we went was a spiritual gathering place because we are gathering at that place...what if we saw and felt everyone and everything around us as an extension of our own within-ness!?

Beautiful, DanB, just beautiful.

Control I said it due to the fact that since my birth my family brought up in a way and my father played a bad guy's character who is lost in alcohol and gambling and sexual driven person but let me say i still love and respect him since I know him as my father and most of all the same part of the ONE. Now, all the mind programming and everything stressed on me to quit the idea of Father from my mind and believe in mother. Now, since am Muslim for my name sake and I believe I don't want to be catagorized by some concepts that don't represent the whole aspect of me but in Islam they always insist that the heaven is right under the mother's feet or they would say Allah holds the love of 70 mothers. Well said, I would agree to it but why is the name of the father is not their why is it I feel they are all one sided beings who act from their hearts oblivious of their true spirits. Now, my whole family is negatively charged they understand that am as of now blanced and respect both the mind and my soul and trying hard to make me a one sided.

But yeah...Brahma is Cit which is to say is the conciousness of everything that is bliss the pure conciousness that includes anything that plays on it wether generated artificially or generated thru us in our thoughts and it enters all. Therefore, I termed it as ONE MIND since we play on it and we learn from it but what sets ones state of conciousness is feeling and how we feel and how we recieve what we feel. So, to me the soul of the Brahma is Maya. Now, if we take that term in our own life we live as  concious beings but what makes our state of conciousness and feelings is our heart and soul. but soul is the energy of our conciousness only we are unaware of it and we are restricted to our conciousness to surrender unto the religious believes which what they do is you deposit the soul energy of yours under that depot that we surrender unto. Now, people become psychic using their soul energy. PSi in greek means soul. So, for our conciousness to get that pure conciousness we need to realize the oneness with everything around us and at the same time loving our heart and soul under the love of the ONE. Which for me is Brahma and Maya the great cosmic father and mother. When I say too much negatively charged it implies to both the ego driven minds and souls that are blinded thru emotions.  So, when entities are rejecting their souls and graduating as Father sided lizard like cold blooded beings they try and divide the new ones to follow their path and control the whole world. And when the entities are graduating as mother sided full of soul and love being and too much love with no direction and unconditional understanding hate towards the lizzies making and calling themselves angles for love and in love they are manipluation the very same new ones that are part of the system being born as complete entities.  So, basically saying too much negatively charged means not being able to understand and being blinded by the purpose and their believes.

To me Brahma is truely blissed because he loves his energy in every aspect of it and energy realizes it. But it cannot feel the pain and sufferings of us because we are reflected beings of him and anything that we do is ultimately an experience for him the whole conciousness and when these negatively charged entities have access to the whole conciousness and they try and manipulate our minds in our dreams and in our life. The love andlight beings do with their love and light and the dark side beings do with their mind programming and both of them are playing on the same ground not realizing that all we need to do is let go off what we cannot hold. Just rejoice our existence in love and grow as what ever we are and learn and respect every aspect of our cuz its ultimatley the same source that gave birth to the whole existence.

ANTAEUS: I would like to know all the 42 principles if its possible for you to post for me thanx...and I do agree with what you wrote. It explains me how my thoughts are always controlling me and making me do things that i don't intent or will too. Even in hindu scriptures they say when the universe dissolves everything that is here will not be vanished it will become a product for its next manifestaion of big bang and will come back.

Me speaking too much about Hinduisim please don't get the idea that I follow it. I have read few religous books and scriptures what resounded made me who I am and I have a long way to go its just that what i want is something too hard to achieve but I hope with all my love to make it. About British making hinduisim I doubt it but am not sure...In hinduisim they have lot of Gods and Deitys but just like Islam its a cover for the same mother force which is ofcourse not wrong if they can respect someone else's existence as a complete ONE entity and let everyone play their own part the way its being played. All and all we are praising ONE in his every aspect wether christanity or hinduisim its just our social behavioural patterns that make us and command us to fight for the rigteousness.

This helps me a bit with understanding the 42 Principles.  Nothing we create simply vanishes, it has to run its course, and this includes thoughts.  The course is forward, evolving, becoming more than what we currently are.  Now, there are those who are so completely intransigent in being of a nature non-conducive to becoming.  This ends up being grinded in Nature's furnace to simply become once more Nature's constituent base material.  What an individual is, becomes aware of concepts such as 'only those higher aspects of their being ascends' and may become a bit disturbed by this concept.  I think I can confidently say that in the case of most people, there is not so much of them after all is said and done, getting left behind and being a cause of sorrow.

EON, I would like to hear more of what you might say on your comment that I pasted at the top of this msg. 

So many people continue stressing their belief that material existence is maya, illusion.  Hey!  Have we not concluded that matter is light? energy?  So you are saying that energy and light are not real?  I would simply submit that the only reason we might consider this physical existence as illusion is because we know the physical body is mortal.  This makes us sad.  So we try to mitigate this sadness by saying it is not real anyway.  IT IS REAL, but we have beginnings and endings.  Periodicity, revolvings, evolvings.  We try to reach the very pinnacle of perfection and even that which we would name Perfection can at will go after another self portrait of Perfection.  We strive to emulate Perfection, that is why we are eternal.

So you are saying, to clarify perhaps if a reader is in doubt, that Brahma is among other things the male potency that in a spiritual sense inseminates Maya, really like energy that powers the machine of convention? Hmmmm personally I do not see Maya as anything more than a term, a sad instance, one of many that cannot seemingly be avoided, when in order to describe the nature of reality, it is necessarily to separate one thing into two separate things with labels, in order to describe the one thing in the first place.

I will post more later!

Well, according to hinduisim Brahma is all there is its undefinable and it enters everything that manifests from quarks to atoms or even artificial beings or crystals anything that will manifest Brahma will be a part of it but it only acts as a silent witness what acts is the power of Brahma that is Maya. And from Maya came the primal waters to everything so she is the great cosmic mother so to speak which gave birth to everything.  Brahma is cit which mean its bliss it cannot be modified its a conciousness of wholeness which is the highest attainment of spiritual evolution where ONE can experience himself as every particle to anything that is there. What we call Kundalini is the mother force its the love between the spirit of our minds and the soul that we carry and kundalini is all together shiv-shakti.... when a person is fully illumiated he becomes a seed of brahma who becomes one with all there is. shiv being the positive pole the three higher sacred chakras and shakti is the lower chakraz the negative pole(negative is not taken for its literal meaning but mere difference of masculine and feminine in terms of higher knowledge where forces can't be defined as man and woman). So, Maya is the working of all there is she is the cosmic mother force behind every force and laws of physics that we have for electromagnetic to nuclear energy its her working.

I more on a personal level for some reason convince and think in terms of Love between the brahma and Maya that resulted all the existence. it doesn't matter what we call them but there is a great cosmic father ONE MIND on who we all are subsets and when our spirits come to existence with the help of the Father the ONE MIND we make our instruments in this physical realm in the love and with the help of the mother that gives birth to our bodies. Now, if we see the working inside of an egg or even in any organism its the rule that its the feminty that gives brith which is explained in our physical realms that there is a cosmic mother that gives brith to all there is and father being the Mind and conciousness but I think even the force is concious. Now, I feel people who are highly negatively charged up in hate and all that play and manipulate the conciousness of the ONE MIND that results in jacking into our own minds or making us slaves thru their teachings from our birth.

DanB, I thank you for your reply. What you bring up is interesting, although I am not sure that we see it very similarly. For instance, of course I am part of everything, for I am not the entirety of existence. I do not know you personally, but I do know a thing or two about new-age spirituality and how divine inspiration is being instilled in humanity these days. Because of this I must be cautious, and not take words like yours to heart unless I have reason to believe that you treat yourself always as a long lost friend or loved one. For those who do not choose to be quite as discerning, then perhaps some of the positive trigger words in your reply will help to awaken something Divine in them.

Hi Transcix,
  One of the very first things that I share with those in my life that ask me about changes coming and what one person may do to help in a positive way is this:

Go to a place in your mind where you love to sit with nature, a personal place of peace;  the ocean beach, stream side, your own garden in your yard, the mountains...anyplace that is special for you.
See yourself walking towards yourself smiling with arms out...embrace yourself and tell yourself,
" I Love You! "  If need be, do it a number of occasions until you really feel a smile within. This is a very strong step in re-learning to trust your own self as your own counselor and adviser to help you co-create love and oneness. This one simple gesture is an empowering and gratitude based energizer of the wisdom we all are within. It begins to allow you to be the best you you can be.
Great talk by Dr. Woolf on the matter of what matters:
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/vwoolf.htm

Also, you may get to know me just a bit from my sharing in this thread last year.
http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 87&p=5

I am one of those people that have met a good number of people on the internet in the last seven years or so and have met many of them in person...including flying to the northwest from the northeast this summer to help build a couple custom townhomes, meeting the person I helped for the first time when I stepped off the plane. I have done this a dozen times or so...I am simply letting you know I am the exact same person on the net as I am in real life...I feel most of the people here at noble are that way too.

Sincerity is the backbone of the uprighting ethical period we are now in, imho.

I presume You have read the book and thus this thread, Transcix!
http://www.simulatedworlds.com/main.html

I will re-read the introduction and other sections on that site today.
It is a rainy friday...I will be at the 'puter this morn.

Hmmmm, interesting. You use many terms which I do not recognize, such as higher/lower. I wonder, why is your Spirit "your" Spirit, if "It" is not "you"?... would not you rather belong then to It? Personally I am more familiar with reference to the proverbial caboose as the place of control agency, as the person in the chariot directs the horses and not the other way around, and in this vein I am familiar with interpreting the horses as the mind or the ego and identifying yourself as the person directing the chariot, who must in some fashion first break the horses in.

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My study is a process still in progress.  I'm mainly devoted to Theosophy, but I find I have a group of books which are Hermetic and utilize Kabalah formulas and a study of Elementals among the involved context.  I find myself wanting to deny any personal favoring of Buddhism or Hinduism, and yet, find that I continue amassing knowledge from both sources.  I like to often study the Tree of Life of Judaism, its interesting.  I might even say that it is the most fascinating to me.  I like getting myself in over my head with regular old hard science as well.  To date, however, the format of looking at humanity, Earth, solar system and the universe, is through the eyes of the Theosophist.  Souls are vessels, the physical body can be called a soul.  There are points that are reached when a soul can become more than just a soul.  The lower mind is most closely aware to the material plane, and the main utilizer of the five senses.  The higher mind is what I might say, is the Spirit, this is immortal.  When the lower mind attains communion with the higher mind, a precious event has occurred.  However, what is our Inner God is the Monad which is an indestructable, immortal, intense intellegent piece of the Boundless All.  It is rarely alone as it uses Buddhi as its vessel, Buddhi is a Divine Soul which will itself become, in time, a Monad.  The Monad has to create a Earth-suit for manifestation in matter, and not only that, it also does not put itself entirely into the suit, so there is a sort of remote control involved.  A picture to use as a reference might be the Tree of Life: you notice that above Malchuth are several globes that appear to be seperate and ascending.

That is the way all hierarchies work, they may appear to be seperate, as that is what they are, but not completely, in that they are all interblending.  So if you are on the topic of awareness and I am operating from the regular ole part of the brain that is constantly vigilant of perceptions received by the five senses, I would say that I would want my awareness to be evolving, growing, unfolding 'that which I know' exists even within my lower mind, a ray from my Divine Monad.  At times, I might describe myself as being under the influence of elementals, as some event has provoked a passion within me.  You see?  I have to be ever vigilant if I want my lower mind to become that which the higher mind might find compatible.

Hmmmm, noble ideals, certainly, and noticing your sig as well, I have only one thing to say. If you wish to take charge of your life in a spiritual sort of sense, as you speak of, then is it best to strive first for an ideal state of awareness, taking into account for what it's worth what you know of and learn of how the Divine, the universe, and everything in general exists and works, or is it best to strive first for complete knowledge of how the Divine, the universe, and everything in general exists and works, taking into account for what it's worth your states of awareness as they come and go?

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I am not my Spirit, I'm the caboose pulled along by it.  When I review my previous thoughts, words and actions, It might evoke from me, "that there is no way I'm still connected to my Spirit."  To keep it kind of simple, I see myself as septenary.  (The seven can be described as a trinity however).  A ray branches into seven, each of the seven also have seven aspects.  So we might say we operate from our Ego which we call the upper and lower mind.  It still has seven aspects, Ego simply happens to have apparent dominance.  So even though my inner god is seperate from my Ego, it can be said that there does exist a ray within my Ego of the Inner God.  We each have seven aspects, and perhaps ten.  I'm only speaking of seven, I'm also saying each of the seven contain seven.  Let me use an example, one of our lower aspects is the astral body.  It contains all seven aspects within it, it's simply that the astral body is the dominant aspect.  I wonder if in all seven aspects which each in turn, possess seven aspects, if the Inner God of each, can be made the go-to guy.  The number seven represents physical completion; the number forty-nine is seven groups of seven.  The number fifty, therefore, represents a departure from the physical realm into the spiritual one, just as does the number eight.

Personally, I think the K.I.S.S (keep it simple Spirit) is best done by those who can also be intensely complex.  Existence is enormity, complexity.  That is what makes it so enjoyable to be simple, when being simple.  I can happen to come across a circumstance, where my taking an action can be an aid, or a hindrance to another.  I will naturally want to aid the other, but I'm not necessarily going to be effervescing bubbily foam of huggy love with my toes barely touching the Earth while meandering along my way on the path.  On the other hand, one never knows do one?

Transcix, sorry, I didn't touch upon the subject of awareness, did I?  Maybe it is a Freudian thing...

Good questions, thoughts!

What about applying the k. i. s. s. program to everything we are and everything we do and everything in front of us?!

Keep It Simple Spirit 

What if everyone we met every new day in front of us was treated like a long lost friend or loved one by us?!...and I mean with the real energy we have and project when we meet up with a long lost friend or loved one! 

What if everywhere we went was a spiritual gathering place because we are gathering at that place...what if we saw and felt everyone and everything around us as an extension of our own within-ness!?

Here is a kind of recent simple synchronistic post of mine from another forum I frequent:

Thanks Z!

"We Are The Ones We Have Been Waiting For!"

The More We Connect Within,
There Will Be No Thing In Our Lives Without!

Time to Re-awaken Love and Oneness with
Every Step We Take and Every Move We Make!

And a short clip from the movie "Powder":
"You're Part Of Everything!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ2Cg6koHPQ