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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Science Fires Broadside at Creationism]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Breathtaking, Nexus. Thank you.</p><p>And with irony. Nexus magazine... perfect.</p><p>It&#039;s true. Classic Machiavelli, divide and conquer. In fact, it&#039;s all they know.</p><br /><p>I tend to agree. The truth is a mixture of all three.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[LightningEye]]></name>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Science Fires Broadside at Creationism]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Most of us here have been very interested in the questions &quot;who am i and why am i here&quot;.?&nbsp; &nbsp;Given that we know we are not merely flesh and blood, our questions are directed also to the cause of our consciousness and it&#039;s creative purpose.&nbsp; Genetic interference (perhaps by ETs) cannot begin to answer these questions but it may account for the current physical form of human beings and other lifeforms.&nbsp; Having lost their spiritual integration, and therefore their superior creative powers, those genetic scientists have had to use nature&#039;s basic templates to genetically recombine lifeforms according to their own designs.&nbsp; It is highly likely that many lifeforms found on earth are distortions of the greater scheme and / or even non- indigenous to earth.&nbsp; Having lost their spiritual integration, the interference by alien and terrestrial beings is distorting nature&#039;s intelligent creative plan and is limiting that plan in many ways by running counter to it. </p><p>The bible cannot be swallowed whole as a perfect record of the Creator, the Creation and the interactions between both.&nbsp; &nbsp;Mundane tribal stories and interactions with a false god have been scooped up with the spiritually genuine books and have been presented in an amalgum called &quot;The Holy Bible&quot;.&nbsp; Like anything presented as the &quot;ultimate truth&quot; our own discernment must adjudicate.&nbsp; &nbsp;Only schemers and controllers demand blind faith in books and talismans as if they were actually the source of truth and spiritual power.&nbsp; We know where that source is now and we can no longer be convinced that it is outside of ourselves, athough we can find it&#039;s reflections in books and other places.&nbsp; These can be very profitable in our search for spiritual re- integration. </p><p>That said, the bible is not simply a &quot;partial history of the world&quot;, and, while the creation story is obviously not the most perfect scientific treatise, it is an important allegory and perhaps one imperfectly copied, recopied and translated down the ages.&nbsp; &nbsp;Nevertheless, it still reveals scientific knowlege and other allegorical pointers to cosmic truth.&nbsp; The 7 days, for example, are allegorical and account for vast periods of time in which creation came into being.&nbsp; &nbsp;Also, in the genesis account, the creative power of sound is given expression in the creative act by God speaking,&nbsp; &quot;Let there be... &quot; repeatedly as a creative fiat.&nbsp; &nbsp; So although much of the bible is allegorical, including the story of Adam and Eve and many others,&nbsp; there&#039;s enough left to reveal a self- conscious intelligence (the Mind of God) as the causative agent in creation and IT&#039;S interaction with IT&#039;S own creations... ourselves situated in nature.&nbsp; </p><p>Most of us accept that FORM is the result of MIND, but, because the ONE MIND created MANY individual minds in it&#039;s own IMAGE, individuals are empowered also to create in order to participate in the fulfillment of the divine plan.&nbsp; It just so happens that the loss of our spiritual faculties and it&#039;s attendent creative powers has resulted in a distortion of the greater plan.&nbsp; We are not fulfilling our potential to participate at a spiritual level.&nbsp; That&#039;s what the best of the myths and legends are telling us.&nbsp; The greater cosmic purpose is reliant on the restoration of our spiritual identity and faculties, and our freewill participation in the plan.&nbsp; Being made in the image of our Creator we each are endowed with creative power just like our Creator.&nbsp; By the power of love (the &quot;soundless sound&quot; called &quot;Nada&quot;) we are meant to be creative agents of cosmic will and purpose.&nbsp; We have a transcendent &#039;place&#039; in the divine scheme if we will rise to the occasion.&nbsp; </p><p>But the bible and some of it&#039;s seed stories in older legends, speaks of a &quot;fall&quot; in consciousness, into a lower state and realm (3d) by many beings who previously enjoyed conscious oneness with the Creator and who participated in the Creator&#039;s plan.&nbsp; &nbsp;There are several references to a &quot;fall&quot; and they do not deal simply with the landing of aliens in UFOs.&nbsp; They speak also of a fall in consciousness.&nbsp; &quot;Duality consciousness&quot; resulted from that &quot;fall&quot; and became a &quot;contraction&quot; of mind... a distortion of mind which now results in the production of distorted forms by those caught in it.&nbsp; Like a disease it can be &quot;contracted&quot; more and more until total insanity is the end result.&nbsp; In our long sojourn in materiality we&#039;ve all been there to some extent, but..... </p><p>.... there is a huge difference between individuals who are just trying to find truth as a way into a higher way of STO living, and those who actively oppose that.&nbsp; The ancient book of Enoch (purged from the &quot;accepted canon&quot;) exposes the elements of that conflict as does the bible itself.&nbsp; It doesn&#039;t merely concern itself with relative good and evil within ourselves but speaks of the truth of absolute evil and absolute good incarnate.&nbsp; That is, that there are beings who totally embody absolute evil and who do not want to accept the spirit and be changed... ever.&nbsp; &nbsp;They would rather set up their outposts of darkness and control and be &quot;kings for a day&quot; than Suns forever.&nbsp; They &quot;love&quot; evil and they oppose God&#039;s plan by opposing those who strive to spiritually re- integrate with the AllGod.&nbsp; &nbsp;It is an ancient war that rages to this day and it is one in which God <em>is</em> active in human affairs but (as everywhere in which God is in the active state) but only through the <em>agency</em> of individuals.&nbsp; ie... You and me and, those paragons of &quot;absolute gOod&quot;, the spiritual Adepts (ascended and unascended) who guide where they can but who must respect the freewill of all beings according to law and cosmic cycles.&nbsp; It so happens that a cycle is over for some beings on earth and elsewhere and it is now the &quot;dividing of the way&quot; for all souls on earth.&nbsp; The truth of these things can be found in the bible and various other places and they can account for the situation we find ourselves in.&nbsp; &nbsp;The theory of evolution is partly true and can also account for some of life&#039;s questions.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><p>But it has got it&#039;s problems.&nbsp; The theory of evolution has at least as many holes in it as the bible.&nbsp; TPTB just love to totally polarise all the main issues into either / or debates in order to obfuscate truth and maintain control.&nbsp; On that point it is worth googling &quot;Nexus&quot; magazine and searching their archive for some very good articles on the theory of evolution and it&#039;s fabrications / errors. </p><p>It is basic commonsense to keep an open mind for where reflections of truth can be found and to not get caught up in phony debates which broadsweep the issues into unreconcileable opposing camps.&nbsp; Obviously, truth cannot be reconciled with lies, so we&nbsp; must decide the issues with a keen eye for where truth (and it&#039;s reflections) can be found... wherever that might be.&nbsp; The reconciliation of this whole question (creation by God, or aliens or evolution) is simply in the truth.&nbsp; And it includes all three.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[nexus]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-01-04T05:51:19Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Science Fires Broadside at Creationism]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Where did you get the 61% statistic? If that is true, then master politicians really know how to work the system. I just saw a documentary called Jesus Camp. They are truly using proven propaganda techniques to indoctrinate young children; no different from any other cult in my opinion. It is disgusting. They end up parroting every detail like good little robots.&nbsp; These kids really believe the earth is only 6000 years old and anything else is only there to test their beliefs. Wait until these kids become older and they do exactly what their church leaders tell them, who by the way are surely on some presidential candidate&#039;s payroll.</p><p>Edward Bernays probably died laughing...</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-01-04T04:39:07Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>We were PLANTED here.&nbsp; We didn&#039;t evolve from apes.<br />Whether we are the result of some evolutionary process on some other<br />planet it&#039;s hard to say.&nbsp; But apes ain&#039;t it.&nbsp; More likely we&#039;re the product<br />of breeding and experimetation by extra-terrestrials.<br />But where THEY came from...who knows?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Tom Paine]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-01-04T01:49:36Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Scientists know shit.&nbsp; Why can&#039;t it be both we were created and evolved.&nbsp; Something had to create us , how does the universe exist if god doesn&#039;t exist that is a paradox.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Piece_ofnothing]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-01-04T01:30:36Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Science Fires Broadside at Creationism]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Science Fires Broadside at Creationism<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>The National Academy of Sciences <a href="http://www.national-academies.org/">http://www.national-academies.org/</a> has released a book called &quot;Science, Evolution and Creationism&quot; -- a strongly-worded answer to the Creationist movement and the doubts about Darwin that many people express in polls and elsewhere. </p><p>&quot;Evolution is both a fact and a process that accounts for the diversity of life on Earth,&quot; it says. </p><p>&quot;Scientists treat the occurrence of evolution as one of the most securely established of scientific facts,&quot; says an opening letter.&nbsp; Later: &quot;The scientific evidence supporting biological evolution continues to grow at a rapid pace.&quot;</p><p>As for the Intelligent Design movement,<a href="http://www.discovery.org/">http://www.discovery.org/</a>which lost a court battle in Pennsylvania and is now part of a debate in Florida...<br /><a href="http://tinyurl.com/ywes6c">http://tinyurl.com/ywes6c</a>over the use of the world &quot;evolution&quot; in school standards, the report says &quot;the pressure to downplay evolution or emphasize nonscientific alternatives in public schools compromises science education.&quot;</p><p>The Academy is offering the book as a PDF for free; click HERE for the full 86-page file. <br /><a href="http://tinyurl.com/ywm4u4">http://tinyurl.com/ywm4u4</a></p></blockquote></div><p>This should finally put to rest the fact that GOD did not create the universe in 6 days only, as told by the Bible and believed by a whopping 61% of Americans, despite evidence to the contrary. I love it! In Kentucky, the Museum of Creation<br /><a href="http://www.creationmuseum.org/">http://www.creationmuseum.org/</a> sports Adam and Eve standing beside a Dinasuor, even though Dino isn&#039;t mentioned once in the Bible, and mankind did not live on this planet in those times. There are other such museums too, here is one on Bokchito, OK.<br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.museumofcreationtruth.com/building.jpg" alt="http://www.museumofcreationtruth.com/building.jpg" /></span><br />and this one in Santee, California<br /><a href="http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/CASANcreation.html">http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/ … ation.html</a><br />There are many others, as a simple internet search will reveal. When are the Christians going to give it up, one wonders?<br />For myself, I learned long ago that the Holy Bible is not the true &quot;word of God,&quot; as people will tell you it is, but more like a history book, with a lot of parts left out. And yet, it just happened two days ago, a couple of nicely dressed guys tried to convert me. (again) I began to speak to them, and after a half hour of so, they would have done anything to get away without hurting my feelings. I love to do this, perhaps it&#039;s wrong of me, but it is fun to use their own book to prove them wrong. I am not against any religion, as long as the person does not try to convert me to it! To me, religion is like a glove, it fits me, no one else, and keeps me warm. I have not one thing against the Christian Movement, in fact a lot of them are Patriots, I just wish they would practice what they preach, and actually follow the words of Jesus, and stop saying everything is the will of God, and realize that God does not get involved in the affairs of mankind.<br />Thoughts and comments welcome, Magickman</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-01-04T00:36:16Z</updated>
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