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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Collective vs. Individual]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><em>1. Why then do we become &#039;enlightened&#039;?</em></p><p>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessary to use labels.&nbsp; I&#039;m not enlightened.&nbsp; I&#039;ve just never felt the world as being all-inclusive.&nbsp; I never fit in.&nbsp; I had to force myself to fit in just to have friends.&nbsp; Nothing ever entralled me.&nbsp; Everything bored me to tears and still does.&nbsp; This is not something I just decided one day.&nbsp; It is who I am.&nbsp; Like the James Bond movie;&nbsp; The World is Not Enough.</p><br /><p><em>2. What is the higher concept behind the whole &#039;enlightenment&#039; phenomenon?</em></p><p>I don&#039;t call it enlightenment.&nbsp; I call it learning about existence.&nbsp; Of course, that&#039;s not so easy on Earth because most things are bass akwards here to keep the population dumbed down.&nbsp; But when I&#039;m no longer here I will be learning about how to create, not just manipulate what has already been created.&nbsp; I will also probably go where ever I&#039;m needed to assist in whatever capacity I can.&nbsp; The whole object according to many areas of information is that the creator created unique individualized thought forms and a creation to interact with.&nbsp; Then those thought forms grow and learn until they finally learned all they need to know to properly be full creators themselves.&nbsp; Then they return to Oneness and are then free to create their own universe to have their own children that they send out to learn about the nature of existence.</p><p>It&#039;s like the story of the prodigal son, sort of.&nbsp; The son goes out to do what the son wishes to do (free-will) but the son has always had claim to the inheritance.&nbsp; The inheritance is to be a creator just like the Father.&nbsp; Oneness in 7d is absolute freedom of creation.&nbsp; It&#039;s been said that only when All souls are ready together will the union with One occur.&nbsp; Until then we do as we will.&nbsp; For some that means to help, assist, learn and grow.&nbsp; For others that means enslave, seek pleasure, feed the ego, and maintain self at the expense of others.</p><br /><p><em>3. How do we as &#039;enlightened&#039; individuals guard ourselves against the &#039;collective&#039;?</em></p><p>We are all created as unique individuals.&nbsp; Why would we be created unique if we are meant to all adhere to one set expression?&nbsp; What makes sense to me is individuals working together to help each other grow in their uniqueness.&nbsp; Realizing that we each are unique valuable expressions within One Infinity of creative expression.&nbsp; The problem right now is we don&#039;t have the conscious knowledge on what trully is.&nbsp; And those that wish to control us will do everything to ensure we don&#039;t find out.&nbsp; The separation is a divide and conquer strategy.&nbsp; It&#039;s actually meant to stiffle our own individuality and get everyone to adhere to the lowest common denominator.&nbsp; I say we take the word &quot;collective&quot; back from those that wish to turn it for their own ends and realize that individuality need not be threatened by everyone working together.&nbsp; If we all consciously knew the absolute truth of &#039;what is&#039; then in that sense we would be One.&nbsp; But knowing the absolute truth in no way takes away our unique individual creative expressions within that truth of how things actually work in existence.</p><p>For me, everything fits very nicely.&nbsp; And it&#039;s all rather simple.&nbsp; The hints are given in the creation.</p><p>Jesus said, &quot;Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you.&quot;</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[z3n3rg]]></name>
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			<updated>2007-09-14T07:47:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Collective vs. Individual]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Who here has claimed enlightenment?<br />What is enlightenment?</p><p>Maybe it&#039;s what seems the only alternative to scripted servitude.</p><p>Speaking for myself, knowing there are civilizations billions of years old, (infinite years old is probably closer) I have no problem with the idea that this holy book fell out of the sky.</p><p>But who dropped it? </p><p>Was it Yahweh?</p><p>Or was an Orion resident just bored, and decided to write the Slave&#039;s Handbook... </p><p>The burden of proof is on noone, and everyone.</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;J</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ape-x]]></name>
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			<updated>2007-09-14T02:58:37Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Collective vs. Individual]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: brown">1. Why then do we become &#039;enlightened&#039;?&nbsp; <br /></span><br />I don&#039;t know. Maybe because somebody wants to feel &quot;special&quot; or &quot;wise&quot; or &quot;knowledgable.&quot; It&#039;s all bullshit, isn&#039;t it?</p><p><span style="color: brown">2. What is the higher concept behind the whole &#039;enlightenment&#039; phenomenon?</span></p><p>Separation. &quot;I have attained &quot;enlightenment&quot; but you are outside standing in ignorance of the wise, spiritual knowledge.&quot; This Spirituality &quot;Members Only&quot; snobbery is also reflected in the &quot;Ascension&quot; mythos where the &quot;Masters&quot; get to meet Christ before the rest of us. </p><p><span style="color: brown">3. How do we as &#039;enlightened&#039; individuals guard ourselves against the &#039;collective&#039;?</span></p><p>What makes you think you&#039;re enlightened?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[kid mongo]]></name>
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			<updated>2007-09-14T02:20:24Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Collective vs. Individual]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi...</p><p>Would you agree that everything that is being grouped together becomes a collective?&nbsp; There has been a variety of discussions on different philosophies, religions, beliefs and ideologies on the forum which form like minded groups in particular thought trains or ideas.&nbsp; </p><p>Take religions for example:&nbsp; there are many people on this forum that are very much &#039;enlightened&#039; as to religions being nothing more than deceptive forms of systems used to control &#039;individuals&#039; with similiar &#039;programming&#039;.&nbsp; Recently, I&#039;ve brainstormed ideas and came across a thought that raised a red flag.</p><p>Try this for a thought:</p><p><strong>What if the supposed &#039;enlightenment&#039; is one of the systems?</strong></p><p>I believe that we as individuals being &#039;enlightened&#039; but still functioning within the world at the same level as before the &#039;enlightenment&#039; is quite impossible.&nbsp; I&#039;m sure that many of you will agree with me on this one.</p><p><strong>1. Why then do we become &#039;enlightened&#039;?&nbsp; <br />2. What is the higher concept behind the whole &#039;enlightenment&#039; phenomenon?<br />3. How do we as &#039;enlightened&#039; individuals guard ourselves against the &#039;collective&#039;?</strong></p><p>Peace, PhiConcept.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[PhiConcept]]></name>
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			<updated>2007-09-14T01:33:31Z</updated>
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