Noble Realms — Out of body expereinces have been INDUCED!

Re: Out of body expereinces have been INDUCED!

null@example.com (Capitan) — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:16:21 +0000

What I noticed reading an article on this on Friday was that the scientist was passing his opinion of what was happening off as fact. For instant the proffesor creating the study said:

"what you regard as you is really a transient construct created by the brain from multiple sensory sources."

when the only thing that have proven is that they can make people feel as if they are not located in their actual body. I find it how often opinion is passed off as irrefutable fact from scientists.

Re: Out of body expereinces have been INDUCED!

null@example.com (Lono) — Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:51:57 +0000

LOL-- the strawberries comment hit the nail on the head. That's a perfect analogy for what they're doing. They're using the same techniques they used to "debunk" the near-death experience, and I've always thought it was ridiculous. Yes, the brain can be tricked into having false experiences through direct stimulation, but that does NOT mean it's the only pathway to those experiences. But as long as they have everything tied up neat and tidy, they don't have to think about it.

Re: Out of body expereinces have been INDUCED!

null@example.com (calpamu) — Sun, 26 Aug 2007 02:12:38 +0000

I am not beyond the notion of chemical or biological stimulation but please tell me were did you get ,

Let's hear it for the stupidity of intellectualism.<<<<------THIS

I'amStillLaughtingMyAssOff.

Re: Out of body expereinces have been INDUCED!

null@example.com (taoyoyo) — Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:46:35 +0000

i noticed this on the bbc site... was considering posting but got beaten to it.

seemed like an odd one to me too... tricking the brain into thinking it's experiencing something similar to an OBE but using a completely different method that has nothing to do with how people have experienced it?

i didn't know about this either: "One theory is that it is down to how people perceive their own body - those unhappy or less in touch with their body are more likely to have an OBE." ... is there any grain of truth to that statement?

i guess science and spirituality are always going to be awkward bedfellows i guess but the scientists can do better than this surely?

(the one good example i can think of that combines the two for me was ken cohen's book 'the way of qi-gong' book... where he attempted to explain and measure the effects of qi-gong scientifically as well as spiritually).

alan

Re: Out of body expereinces have been INDUCED!

null@example.com (Marcus) — Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:12:19 +0000

It's somewhat interesting watching these things unfold - and witnessing how they are hitting up against the current materialistic view of the world. As you point out Carissa, it looks like there will eventually be a time when all that stuff is accepted. But for the moment it has to get through all that "materialistic red tape".

Tom, I thought the same thing after reading the BBC piece - that they are merely rationalizing only a small aspect of it. But in the end I concluded that at least the very fact that such a piece of news even made the headlines - suggests a growing awareness of these subjects.

Re: Out of body expereinces have been INDUCED!

null@example.com (montalk) — Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:42:39 +0000

These articles try to rationalize OBEs away. So if they indicate something, it is that awareness of the paranormal is spreading and requiring some kind of damage control. Or maybe it's just scientists being scientists. And what ignorant scientists too, duplicating only a small subset of all the characteristics of something and then claiming to have "scientifically" explained the whole thing. There is more to OBEs than just feeling like you're elsewhere. There are also astral and etheric critters, animals that react to your presence, seeing physical objects or patterns you can verify after coming back, and more. You can use physiological tricks to make people feel like they are smelling strawberries (poking a spot on the brain) but that does not disprove the existence of strawberries. Let's hear it for the stupidity of intellectualism.

Re: Out of body expereinces have been INDUCED!

null@example.com (lyra) — Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:31:24 +0000

Marcus wrote:

I have noticed since the beginning of this year there has been more acceptance in the mainstream for the "unusual"...even though they do tend to take a slightly materialistic view on the subjects.
This induced OBE being one of those things. The sun making "music" being another. There have been a number of other things too - not sure what though as they don't come to mind right now...

Yup....in my Mary Summer Rain, Phoenix Rising thread ( http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=5423 ) one of the prophesies noted was:

"Wings Flexing/Spiritual Unrest and Awakening"

Questioning masses
Political church actions
Government interventions
Repression from certain religious sects
Increase UFO sightings [UFO sightings have gotten out of control over the past ten years.....]
Interaction with other intelligences [See above. Every bookstore has shelves and shelves of books on supposed alien encounters, whether real or otherwise....]
Acceptance of paranormal
Acceptance of ongoing spirit/afterlife
More religious sects going to court to force their personal restrictions on general public"

Matches what you're noting here......

Re: Out of body expereinces have been INDUCED!

null@example.com (Marcus) — Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:56:55 +0000

I have noticed since the beginning of this year there has been more acceptance in the mainstream for the "unusual"...even though they do tend to take a slightly materialistic view on the subjects.

This induced OBE being one of those things. The sun making "music" being another. There have been a number of other things too - not sure what though as they don't come to mind right now...

Out of body expereinces have been INDUCED!

null@example.com (SamIAm) — Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:24:48 +0000

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