"if painful things are just lessons, then aren't the PTB possibly the greatest teachers of all time?"

That's half making concessions, and maybe half true. I do follow your reasoning in that. And Cassini was launched 10 years ago, which means if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen.

Even at the risk of altering/destroying life beyond our solar system.  That's the part that makes me think the architects of this one are maybe not..... shall we say...human. In less than a year we'll know.                                           J

I have just been browsing and found more info at www.disclose.tv- from homepage scroll down to 'video tags', click on NASA, video is on page 1 under NASA.

Also on youtube, search for "lucifer project" you'll get over a dozen videos.

i checked out this video and it doesnt really offer anything new.. everything i've seen so far has all come from the same article on Rinf.com...   hmm...  i DO wonder what that hexagon thing is.. it wasnt exactly explained.

sometimes i cant help but wonder if TPTB are just helping us along the evolutionary path.  what if they are being guided by benevolent forces to test us?  i mean... how stupid and drool faced would I be without the turmoil i've lived through?  pretty stupid, "momma, where're my ninja turtle shoelaces?"   i mean, if painful things are just lessons, then arent the PTB possibly the greatest teachers of all time?  what is it that we are getting out of this i wonder?

and why would we worry if things are out of balance or not?  isnt this all just an experiment in learning and consciousness?  maybe the lesson is to love and laugh and not take things so seriously, but damnit i cant help it!

later birds
~R~

it DOES sound bizarre...  but depending on what one thinks is possible, many things we all know that are happening can sound bizarre...  i wouldnt put it past them to try it...  im not sure if it's just a hit piece though...  i havent concluded in my own mind how powerful and intelligent they are, but usually im in disagreement when people call them stupid and thoughtless... they are anything but and in many ways are much more advanced and evolved (if in a negative way) than most human beings...  just think of all the technology that they have squirrelled away outside the public eye...  who's to say they dont know very well what would happen if Saturn was ignited?  if they have any connections to higher forces, then they could know a lot of things. 

but then again, they could be retards with just a little bit more information than us and could be scrambling to keep us in enough fear of their power so that they can stay just a half step ahead...  i doubt it though.

to be totally honest, there's a part of me that hopes they are successful...  all of this talk for thousands of years about Armaggedon...  bring it i say!  what are we waiting for?  if it's inevitable, why wait?  but maybe it's not... either way, i look forward to whatever outcome ;]

peace

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Maybe turning Saturn into a star will disrupt a naturally occurring stargate through which Planet X (Nibiru) suddenly appears through, as this stargate is in the orbital path of Planet X.  Soloflex posted something about a Pleaides stargate, and it is about how a man is doing the math on the Cydonian mounds which quite possibly represent a hyper calender.  He is doing a lot of number crunching which looks pretty valid at first glance.  That may possibly end a recurring cycle of global wide castrophe from this planets sudden appearance.  Just imagine, a planet arriving, and you dont even have any early warning, as it just shows up suddenly, as if entering through an open door.  Turning Saturn into a star may be a cure that almost kills us all.

Also on youtube, search for "lucifer project" you'll get over a dozen videos.

                                                                J

Seems like they're starting a new earth somewhere else since this one's almost used up.

from: Birthing a New Sun, Jupiter   http://abundanthope.net/pages/article_308.shtml

the biggest reason i wanted to share it is this:  i think it's good to know that a probe packing 72 lbs. of plutonium is orbiting saturn...  that way, if anything does happen to it, no one can tell you it was god.  you can make more level headed decisions when forewarned/forearmed...

based on the thread though, i sense a lot of fear (not that saying that when i read it i wont have the same response) just remember no matter how "bad" something is that they do, the fear it can cause (even before its done) is the biggest danger to you. remember we're the ones (or maybe it's better put that we're the heroes and they're the zeros), you can just smile and say "go ahead, make my-." you know...

remember, this is all happening for your good, cause thats what you chose when you joined this whole mess. smile and wait patiently and when they drop the bomb on you and the smoke clears, you'll be standing there when the smoke clears, still smiling, and then BAM! SUPER SAIYAN lv2! (lv 2 is my favorite super saiyan "mode", it starts getting kinda weird after that...)

sorry,,, I haven't even read it yet, and for all I know ill be back and acting irrationally... I know at the least ill be back here giving my two cents. i just wanted to remind everyone that everything's gonna be ok.

This taught me a lesson, though. If the whole thing is true--and after really objectively thinking about it for a day now, I really hope not, but I just don't know--then that's really bad news, and I still hold to how thoughtless and stupid it would be. The thing, though, was my reaction to it. The whole idea apparently really pushed my buttons, and I let my emotions run away with me. And that's how TPTB get us.

Whether this Project is true or false, sometimes it's the way these things are presented that borders on disinformation. A grain of truth, couched in fearful language, can still be used to distract us from the real issue. As Montalk always says in his writings, we have to be able to use our discernment--our common sense--to keep our stance and stay calm. It's when we can stay calm and grounded in the face of all the horrors we see that we overcome them.

When we can stand our ground, we can stay focused on doing what we're here to do.

So I'm sorry for flipping out yesterday. Stay strong, y'all.

Cheers

but then again, they could be retards with just a little bit more information than us and could be scrambling to keep us in enough fear of their power so that they can stay just a half step ahead...  i doubt it though.

to be totally honest, there's a part of me that hopes they are successful...  all of this talk for thousands of years about Armaggedon...  bring it i say!  what are we waiting for?  if it's inevitable, why wait?  but maybe it's not... either way, i look forward to whatever outcome ;]

peace

That one's got me reeling, truly bizarre

"Wouldn't that throw off not just our own path of orbit but those of the rest of the planets nearby"

RIGHT!

Things are held in place by a delicate balance, add or subtract the smallest proportion, something will change.
Not necessarily for the better.

Also it occurred to me, NASA watches too much Star Trek, anyone remember "Project Genesis" from Star Trek 2? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Genesis

This is just an 'indirect' version of terraforming not the 'planet' itself, but altering an adjacent Body.

And the symbolism surrounding this endeavor is just scary. The astrological implications seem to outweigh the astronomical predictions substantially.

It's a long shot (the longest!) and I feel so much better knowing the JASON Group are probably the original proposers of it.

These "atomic" minds seem to have no regard for cause and effect logic... incredible.                                             J

I mean, really. When are we going to learn that everything is alive in some form or other? Just because a thing, a person or even a planet doesn't fit our arbitrary assumptions of what a living, aware--and maybe even intelligent--being should be, doesn't mean we have the right to interfere with it or change it to suit us. Yet we do so continually with only the shallowest thought given to what the consequences might be, if any.

I'm no scientist, so I really don't know if igniting Saturn is actually possible. If it's not, then we're tampering with and damaging another whole planet just to entertain our curiosity, which is childish and foolish.

But if it is possible... The article at http://www.rinf.com/news/nov05/lucifer-project.html listed above noted some of the scenarios that NASA and others had considered to be fallout from the mission, including a rain of material ejected from Saturn when the plutonium on Cassini implodes. This will wreak havoc with the atmosphere and a large number of people won't survive it. (Well, duh. Run for the bunkers, Illuminati, run!) Yet as dire as this is on the surface, it seems far too simplistic to me--it's just a little piece of a much bigger picture.

Turning Saturn into a sun is supposed to warm Titan up so that we can terraform it with the intention of future colonization. This is another very simplistic and naive assumption, that this is all that would occur. Yet how can anybody reasonably predict what the real effects of such an ignition would be?

It seems to my unscientific eyes that suddenly gaining a star where Saturn used to be would change the entire solar system forever, with ramifications we can't begin to consider. Doesn't a star mean heat and light? Isn't Saturn is a lot closer to us than the sun? We're at the optimal distance from the sun we already have to continue life as we know it. Put another one in Saturn's place--albeit a much smaller one--and that means another source of heat, light and electromagnetism. Wouldn't that throw off not just our own path of orbit but those of the rest of the planets nearby? How do we know our little neighborhood (the solar system) wouldn't be largely incinerated, or changed so much that none of us would recognize it?

I know it sounds like I'm Chicken Little screaming "The sky is falling!" I'm sorry about that, and my intention isn't to instill any more fear in people, but I just wish TPTB would have a responsible and unselfish thought once in a while.

We know that there are many extraterrestrial civilizations watching us right now, as Marshall Summers says, to see what is about to happen. We know that mystics throughout the ages and in all of our own civilizations have spoken of "the end times" and cataclysms and points of ascenson or bifurcation of realities.

Maybe this Lucifer Project is the big show, the trigger point. I don't know, but it makes me wonder...

Cheers