I have heard that there are elbit chips on a lot of the new motherboards that are powered by ambient juice in the motherboard, and when you have an RFID chip, the elbit can sense it and provide authorization for access...
...of course, magnets are a great way to deactivate the RFID chips, and there will be black market removals and chip-switching... but at least it will (?) reduce the number of viruses released onto the Internet.... maybe. Sort of.
Did you know the govt/universities/law enforcement people are already using I2 -- the new Internet? Now that is Deja Vu -- that's the way the current Internet started!!
]]>Also related was how the worlds "advanced" technology was bought and traded by this secret orginization, cell phones, CD's, supplied by advanced aliens.
It's amazing how much basic truth they will present in forms of "entertainment", and then use plot devices to "spin" or present that truth or data the way they want.
]]>I have one of the most highly polished Tin-Foil Hats around, but I am not terribly worried about RFID, not the commercially advertised incarnations anyway.
I work as the IT manager for the largest RFID company in the world. We are *the* supplier of RFID tags and devices to the DoD. With the tags and devices available from my company, Matrics, Alien etc.. you needent worry. These tags are too expensive, too big and too weak to be of concern to people. (Expensive being the primary gating item to ubiquity)
However - i would remind people that a cell phone is far more an unknown and exploitable device than the current commercially advertised and known RFID tags.
RFID is a phenomenon that has been known about for a long time. (as are cell phones which were first proofed in the 40s) and as mentioned falls into two categories. Active or Passive. Active tags have a battery which powers the antennae - passive tags merely respond to RF waves that pass throguh them and "reply" with a unique signature.
Passive tags hold very little data, usually just an ID - or serial number. Active tags have memory and can hold real data, such as the manifest of a shipping container.
The data still needs to be read and dealt with in a meaningful way. Passive IDs need to be correlated to a backend DB which equates the ID with some meaningful data, such as a record of what that ID actually represents.
Active tags are a bit more flexible in that they can provide info which does not necessarily require the backed DB to understand what the tag is identifying, or what that container holds.
My company, Savi Technologies, only produces Active tags. These tags are large, expensive and meant for tracking THINGS. Containers specifically - or large cost items, such as a vehicle. Our tags are used on shipping containers and trucks, and pose no threat to personal privacy, unless you dont want people (yourself) to know what you placed inside some container which is being shipped from one port to the next.
Active tags, backed by batteries, arent just capable of greater range, they are capable of TELLING the reader system about events that occur. For example - we have some tags which have sensors on them. Light, temp. humidity, shock etc. These sensors can be set to alert if they go off or above threshold. This is important when you are concerned about the viability/integrity of the property the tag is "watching". Some medications spoil if exposed to certain temperatures for extended periods of time. The sensor tag can monitor temp then alert if it gets too high for too long. Some munitions automatically ARM themselves if they receive a certain amount of shock. so the tags would warn if a munition is armed, important to know if your going to be moving a box of explosives via crane or forklift.
Active tags cost between 60 and 85 dollars per tag. Are roughly 4" long and 1" high and 1.5" wide. Active tags run at 433 megahertz and 123 kilhertz (the two frequencies are used for two different functions: reading data from the tag (433) or sending commands to the tag (123)).
There are some new active tags which are smaller, and run on 802.11 (wifi) frequencies, but there are a great number of challenges in that freq. range.
Passive tags are a losing proposition for most companies as the manufacturing cost is greater than what the tag can be sold for. Before tags can be ubiquitous in products - they need to be throw-away cheap. some person I dont know said that the magic number for passive tags was .05 (a nickel) - but one thing that hasnt been talked about with regards to the mass use of RFID is the backend databases and logic application required to actually do anything with the data read from tags. This obviously implies the reader infrastructure as well.
There is a lot of supporting infrastructure required to do anything of interest with RFID - its not jsut that you dfeploy a bunch of tags and all of a sudden you can track people.
You need to know what location each reader is at, you need to be able to tell tags where or who they are. What if people move tags around and put them on things that are not the original item tagged? Then you have false data.
anyway - if anyone has any other questions about RFID and how its used and what they should worry about - post it here...
since this thread was started, google maps has gone live and you can get a much better picture of denver airport on it.
In closing, one of the interesting things I read in this thread was montalks quoted posting of the transdimentional gate at the (denver) airport. What more perfect a place to put a thing like that than at an airport. Streams of people come out of the airport, and nobody would question them walking out of the airport as being anything other than one who arrived via plane.
It would be interesting to count the number of people leaving the airport and compare that with the number of flights (or terrestrial planes).
]]>But, still, it's interesting to note that the underground has been and continues to be explored on a regular basis, the key thing is to find the entrances when no one's watching and take a look. Generally speaking, no one can stop you, if you're a citizen of this country, these places are considered public. This is generally speaking, as there are plenty who will guard their underground territory with deadly force. So be warned.
Now the question is, how much of this am I making up? Not really sure, because I myself haven't explored many of them personally, but I have a great deal of faith in the information I have in this reguard, it helps to explain some of the more obvious inconsistancies of surface land based mathematical errors.
err.. and i forgot the original point that I was posting about. Basically, RFID tags.. are bogus. There are lenty of people who give of more radio signals than any of these tags ever will. Heck, heavy bass music would disrupt the readers in a heartbeat. I'm curious about what frequency they run on.
And i'll bet you money that these things have been available and hacked at hacker conventions all over the country already. Take a peak sometime and find out. I could care less. If I find one on my stuff, I tear it apart. Very simple.
]]>I thought I asked him if the passports could be read by sattelite and he said 'yes', but now I remember him saying 'I don't know...'.
I do tend to get a bit paranoid and sensational alot.
[edit: though much paranormal and supernatural and conspiracy research is sensational in many standard respects and it's not hard to get too carried away too easily as the subject matter is inherently 'sensational' and tends to make the seasoned researcher paranoid to some extent-- 'You're NOT paranoid if THEY really are out to get ya!']
I do know that they can track you by sattelite in certain ways (here I am refering to certain 'tagged' individuals who are being monitored closely via implants by the various high-tech human groups, and the alien/et groups-- whose tech may not be via sattelite but by some other high-tech means...)
Only certain individuals of interest would be closely followed (and occasionally picked up and/or abducted on regular intervals/timeframes).
I do think they can track people through their cell phones too (am I wrong on that?).
Yes, with the RFID tech, they could determine which customs/borders points you cross...
-Indigo
]]>Now, there ARE active tags that can transmit info on their own, BUT these need battery power, are very expensive, are quite a bit larger due to the need for a battery and thus can't be easily hidden, and still cannot transmit more than a few hundred feet on their own.
Remember, these are RADIO FREQUENCY identifiers. Radio waves are generally very weak. Consider how much power is needed to transmit an FM radio station and than compare that to the amount of power the battery in an active RFID chip could put out. You see my point? There are much better ways to track a person from afar than by RFID.
I think there's a lot of unwarranted paranoia about RFID because the technology itself and how it works are largely misunderstood. Read up on how RFID actually works. www.rfidjournal.com is a great place to start. RFID is not inherently malicious. Although it could be used to track your movements from place to place, carrying a passport around while having that passport checked along the way, there's no way in hell anyone's going to be able to read your passport RFID tag from thousands of feet away.
If I sound pro-RFID, this is not the case. I'm simply skeptical and anti-sensationalism, especially anti-sensationalism for topics which have little or no evidence.
]]>I talked to a U.S. Passport Agency representative last week and he said that the RFID chips are currently being placed into almost all new passports (there may be some without them). Already, since the early 90's or before, the barcode is also in use on all passports.
Instant computer info on any U.S.-American citizen...
I am probably sure that these chips are also in use in other countries worldwide...
The RFID chip tech can be tracked via sattelite and monitor each individual's international/national movements (if so targeted, and if carrying the passport physically, in addition to being scanned at each customs entry points).
-Indigo
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