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It is apparent that the line above is all you read of my post.  I should be allowed to question anything put forth to me that does not appear to have any basis that even approaches the vicinity of irrefutable proof.  And whenever I talk to Christians they ask me, do I believe Jesus died for our sins? do I believe his physical body arose from the dead? and then, do I believe his physical body ascended into heaven?

There is a certain gravity, somberness, even intent that I feel when these questions are put to me, and also they have the flavor of being rhetorical questions.  Also the feeling that an imminent judgement is about to be made pertaining to me.

That is what they turned the word dogma into.  Believe what I believe without question or you are being perniscious and wicked.

Would you like a group of people believing that you are perniscious and wicked?  I can question what I will.

- But you need to be able sift through B.S and extract the gems and what is a gem to me - may not appear to be for you.

Since we are on the verge of a new understanding/paradigm shift - all of what we think we know will fall away - and we will see ourselves in a new light.

In the words of a Chinese sage, "A partial education is as bad as none at all."

     What is dogma? Dogma is a Greek word.  It was originally a Greek political term, which became, through its adoption by the Christian church, a religious word, Christianly religious, having a Christian atmosphere about it and Christian meanings and consequent Christian implications, which in its original sense and usage this word dogma never had.
     The word itself comes from the Greek verb dokein, 'to seem to be,' 'to appear to be.'  A dogma, therefore, was something which appeared to be, or which seemed to be, a truth: an opinion about truth, if you like; and hence this term 'dogma' was frequently employed in certain ones of the Greek states as signifying the decision, the considered opinion, and therfore the final vote, arrived at and taken in a state council or assembly.  It was thus used as a public ordinance or decree passed by the constituted authority in the Greek state.  In Athens, however, these considered votes were called psephismata.
     'It appeared to the council,' i.e., to the gathering, to the assembly, --was the usual form in which such votes were recorded and quoted.
     From this word ecclesia we have the modern word, ecclesiastical, at present meaning churchly, with an altered meaning, however, running from and through mediaeval to modern times -- an entirely different meaning from its original sense, for Ecclesia in Greece meant a political convention or assembly of all the voting citizens of a Greek state.
     Thus this word 'dogma' changed from its original significance, meaning a vote or the considered opinion of an assembly of Greek citizens voting in formal council upon a measure brought before them; for it came, through its adoption by the Christian Church, to mean a certain religious doctrine, a certain dogmatic tenet, supposed to represent the mere opinion of the best minds in a Christian community.  Nothing more.
     Having thus this first significance in Christian history, especially in the Greek Christianity of the middle East, this word retained this significance for a number of centuries during the early part of the Christian era, and only in later and early mediaeval times did the word 'dogma' acquire the meaning which it now commonly has, as signifying a doctrine based upon the declaration of an oecumenical council or upon an authoritative popular pronouncement, or mayhap deriving from some other widely recognised churchly or religious authority; and such authority and dogmatic sense it was finally considered by faithful Christians to be pernicious and wicked even to question.
     The "E T" G de Purucker. pp 2-3

             Yeah i used to have a copy of "The Mayan Oracle"and was pleased to find a link to that site. I just feel a resonance with some material...     The excerpts on that site are a shortened version of what's in the Oracle Handbook but i have a link to the poetry which accompanys each of the twenty glyphs. Plus further links on that page should you want to look any further...

http://www.clearwhitelight.org/mayan/ma … poetry.htm

Yes, now that you mention it, someone suggested to me a few weeks ago to say the affirmtation 3x out loud: "I am the transforming Violet Flame, in action." Do you have a link for these prayers and so forth nexus. I find that when I am in trauma and crisis state that that is the time when meditation is almost impossible for me, but needed the most. The spoken word does activate optimism and hope when centered in the heart, also even cognating words, as in reading inspiring spiritual writings such as on this forum can do the same thing, which is why this forum has been so helpful to me. Thanks, much appreciated.

Also nexus, M5 did give a link:

http:www.astrodreamadvisor.com/free_m...dings.html

hmmm... I don't know how to cut and paste an active hyperlink on this forum so you'll have to go to M5's original code or cut and paste into the address bar, sorry

I followed it and it goes to a dreamspell calculator page with the Yellow Sun on it and so forth. There are many opinions about this work, so I shared my own from experience.-lala

I hadn't heard of 'Yellow Sun" before i read M5's post or anything about the 'Mayan Glyphs'.  The 'cosmic portal' affirmation sounds off to me because it sounds like an open invitation for anything to enter you.  Just maybe that is the whole point.  It might be deliberately ambiguous so that you are left open and vulnerable to... whatever.  Your description of an 'abduction' or possession experience doesn't sound much like what you might have been hoping for.   Sounds like it's better left in the past.

I guess the only way we can begin to love unconditionally is to begin to see the 'conditions' which prevent the experience of love within ourselves.  What beliefs, attitudes, states of mind and emotion, harden us against loving ourselves and others?   Probably a lot of the stuff we're already thinking about if we've taken a few steps on the spiritual path.  As each veil of the 'not- self' is parted [seen through and surrendered] the real Self can express with just a little less conditioning than before. 

The path of unconditional love involves finding the inner source of love.  In that love we are able to meet all the elements of self and separate the wheat from the chaff.  As we do this we also become less conditioned by the opposition we might meet in others and more able to act in accord with divine Will.  That is, we can progressively unconditionally love others too.

But as i wrote on the 'Wilde" thread in agreement with you lala,  i don't believe "unconditional love" means the blind tolerance and acceptance of all conditions 'as is'.  [And i gave Jesus' definition of "unconditional love" there too.]  It means more the willingness to act on the divine impulse regardless of any conditions.  [The Christ Self is not limited by any such conditions except those we still harbor and believe in.]   You could even say that we must develop  a 'divine intolerance' for limiting conditions... most especially in self.  As Catherine of Sienna wrote to a sister : "thou wilt not let a fault go without passing sentence on it"... referring to the interior work of the soul in sifting the real from the unreal in consciousness.  As the higher Self engages the soul in this process and vice- versa and as we become more willing to consciously self correct we recieve grace.  To some degree, the presence of spirit appears to our conscious awareness.

This conscious awareness of inner spirit provides a vibratory point of reference against which all elements of self can be measured in the sifting process. ie.  they can be seen for what they are vibrationally because when they arise from the subconscious they obscure the spiritual presence like a cloud obscures the sun.  While clear seeing won't guarrantee that we will never make the same mistakes,  clear seeing provides a degree of separation between the observer and the observed so that the revolving again of the same mistake is easier seen and sooner noticed than before.  If seen,  it can be dropped like a hot potato and spiritual perception re- established.  We are making progress.  That is, we are no longer spiritually blind to some subtle lower element of self which formerly seemed a real and valid part of ourself.   Hopefully, we're also maintaining a divine indifference to what we see so that we don't fall into the trap of self condemnation.

All of this inner work is "building the interior castle" as St Clare put it.  Several of the saints of the past spoke about a perfect "loathing" of the self in this process.  It shouldn't cross the line into self- condemnation but it should be a "strong aversion" to entertaining lower elements of self that we've already seen through.  I hope that's what they meant anyway although they would have made plenty of their own mistakes.  Many of them weren't perfected in that incarnation anyway and have re- incarnated since.  I sometimes fall into the trap of self condemnation too so i suppose it's a casualty of war at times. [ie. in the battle of armaggedon which outplays on all levels within and without as we engage it]

Hi M5... There's no link in M5's post above to the "Yellow Sun" quote.  I agree with almost everything in the above quote and i have read the same concepts in virtually the same terms in several other places.  It's fairly un-typical of a lot of the new age stuff in that if 'yellow sun' is the 'inner Self' as it appears to me then every word of it appears to be true.  That is unusual in itself going by what i've seen on the internet.  But if "Yellow Sun" is a new organisation i'd like to see a link to the above article to see if they can offer any more essential insights into the SELF and into HOW to just "do" all the things they suggest.  It has a lot of potential if it is more than just a pep talk.  On the other hand has it come from the same place as the affirmations which lala describes above?  If so i'd like to see what else they have to say and where else they depart from safety and truth.   It's been my observation that even the deliberately false teachings sometimes have a high degree of truth mixed in with the barbs but the barbs are usually real clangers.   Any links?

The Great Central Sun [GCS] is a concept [true i believe] that to my knowledge has been in use since the 1930s in the "I AM Activity" founded by Guy Ballard.   Apparantly the GCS is a Self conscious spiritual intelligence and is the origin of our I AM Presence [out of which we have our soul awareness].  So our Christ Self does have it's origin in the Great Central Sun.  Not only that but the I AM and Christ self is the Omega polarity and the Great Central Sun is the Alpha polarity.  We are one.  That is, each of the billions of I AM Presences and Christ Selves are individualisations of that Great central Sun. ie. Replicas of it and linked as one at the level of Spirit.  It's a beautiful concept.  We are individuals at the level of soul and Christ Selfhood but we are One and linked in vibrational harmony with the Great Central Sun.  Our divine identity is individual and immortal.

Lala, in answer to your question about specific methods for transmutation i can recommend a few things.  For about 21 years i've used prayer, a little silent meditation and much contemplation as i go about my day.  But the thing i find most effective is the spoken word in giving Violet Flame decrees and rosaries and eastern mantras and singing songs.  The spoken word, if centered in the heart, is a great power for alchemical change because it also engages the throat chakra.  If actived [by Christ] in devotion, the throat chakra, and other chakra's releases the light of the inner Christ for purification where needed. 

I think it was my first "nexus" topic posted at NR called "Science of the Spoken Word [SOUND]" that deals a little bit with this subject.  It's halfway down the  2nd page of my nexus posts [sorry i dont know how to link yet].  Apart my my own intro to the topic in that thread it's a broad topic which i'd be very happy to discuss and provide you with further links to websites.  I will say also that i have never seen a true teaching that hasn't attracted "hit pieces" against it which includes associating it with various nefarious forces.  Consequently, you will need the open mind that you have and a very high dose of discernment to make your way through the minefield which this topic presents.   Don't be surprised to find opposition against the knowledge of the greatest creative power we have for change.  There's much to say about it all lala but for now thankyou for your warm interest.

M5, I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but I am pretty sure after recent reflections that I had an attempted abduction experience about 11 years ago after meditating on the dreamspell glyphs for a number of weeks and doing the affirmations that come with them for the day, some of which are like: "I am a cosmic portal, enter me." This was a very unbalanced meditation for me to be doing and I did have an astral experience where my soul energy was being sucked into a portal and I demanded it to stop. So, I am no longer into being taken into a dreamworld, or operating under any sort of spell. My experience only, of course.
As to:

How can we express unconditional love before we are unconditional love or know unconditional love? Is this possible merely by practicing trying to feel it?

Since this is the jesus thread, I am curious to know if people who really are on the Christ path feel that the Great Central Sun is the Light of Christ. Are they even the same thing? Are they related?

-lala

Yellow Sun is your Conscious Self - who you are and who you are becoming.

"I Am that I Am...I Am that I Am...I Am that I Am." This mantra of Yellow Sun is a meditation for accessing the I Am presence that contains great power and universal truth. Yellow Sun is the mystery unveiled, the simplicity of unconditional love and limitless bliss. Known by many names, Yellow Sun is the Solar Lord, the Mind of Light, the Center that is also your center. Yellow Sun is your solar home, the Great Central Sun.

Yellow Sun is a reminder that you are, at every moment, in the center of All That Is. In your journey of remembrance, you are crafting a light body to return to a home in the stars that you never really left. Return as a child of the sacred to the Great Central Sun! You are the crown of creation, infused with the blueprint of solar mind. You are a Godseed, the reflection of cosmic consciousness. You are love made visible!

Discover the simple secret encoded in Yellow Sun's star-glyph: you are unconditional love, the stone of indestructible liberation. Radiate that knowing in all your thoughts and actions. Love all of creation. Join the dance of light, the fundamental constant of nature, and shine forth the clarity of your true essence. There is great power in simply identifying with the light:"As above, so below." You are in God, and God is in you.

As you express unconditional love, you become more than you previously perceived yourself to be. You become illumined, the full manifestation of your divinity. In the embrace of your humanity, accept yourself and others unconditionally. Magnify your full presence. Yellow Sun will come in myriad forms to assist you. Be limitless. Accept and understand the nature of judgement, fear, light and dark within yourself and others. Love and accept yourself and others as you are, freed from previous boundaries. You are the dawning of the solar age.
As you move toward your core of light, you will find a clear-light awareness that is innately innocent. In this place, the mind is restored to it's original state of receptivity. Clarity and freedom become expressions of being, and bliss becomes the body. At this core of light, a new reality is born. From the union of the divine masculine and feminine is birthed the solar androgyny of cosmic consciousness.

Now we find ourselves in a great awakening. We have the opportunity to retrace our steps, to return to union with Original Cause. We who have deepened the illusion of seperation are now poised to retrieve what seemed to be lost forever. Through the gift of rebirth and ascension, we are reclaiming our original state of union with God. We are going home.
The process of rebirth and ascension can be viewed simply as the raising of the vibratory rate of the Earth and her children. It is embodied in the state of consciousness that knows the self as divine. The circlet, or crown, is a symbol of recognizing and knowing that divine self. So the crown as a sacred tool is a universal symbol of the completion of a circle of self-empowerment and self-authority. Full ascension is the freedom to take your physical form with you to other planes and dimensions. In preparation for the ascension, there is an opening and clearing of your light seals and chakras. If you choose to walk this path, know that in the embodiment of your "I Am" self, you will learn to accept all things unconditionally, forgiving and releasing all judgements of yourself and others. The activation of solar mind and ascension is already in progress. In divine fusion, you are becoming the one body of the ascension.

Open your heart as a flower to the Sun, and become the same love that holds universes together!

also the shadow aspects - for balance 

In the shadow of Yellow Sun, you may be unaware of or feel disconnected from your own true nature. Thus, the light of Yellow Sun reflects your shadow's potential. On this journey, you are being offered release from all past identities, lifetimes, and karma. This process retrieves any separated parts of self, restoring all potential into the union of wholeness. By facing and integrating your shadows, you can free yourself into the greater constellation of being.

The shadow of Yellow Sun also reflects your limiting views of self in relation to your concept of God. It is important to remember tha thow you see divinity is how you see yourself! If you do not see yourself as an integral part of the Divine you are functioning in th shadow of Yellow Sun.

Another shadow of Yellow Sun is conditional love, which is really part of the process of learning how to express unconditional love. Conditionality often implies fear, separation, and issues of self worth. Unconditionality expresses without judgement, limitation or expectation. Unconditional love is your original state of being, that which you naturally are.

You are the model of what it means to be fully human. In Yellow Sun's shadow are the ideals of society. Look at your personal ideals. You are being asked to release them and to embody the limitless principles of the light. As you become a model of loving acceptance, shadow and light embrace as one, and the world is lifted. You become the new myth emerging. Through the embodiment of unconditional love, one person at a time, the new world is born.

As you express unconditional love, you become more than you previously perceived yourself to be. You become illumined, the full manifestation of your divinity. In the embrace of your humanity, accept yourself and others unconditionally. Magnify your full presence. Yellow Sun will come in myriad forms to assist you. Be limitless. Accept and understand the nature of judgement, fear, light and dark within yourself and others. Love and accept yourself and others as you are, freed from previous boundaries. You are the dawning of the solar age.

Are there any specific ways in which you are working on this transmutation that you can share on this thread, or maybe you already have on another thread and you can provide the link. Thanks nexus, I am appreciating all of the posting that you've been doing, I've been mostly off the forum this summer, until lately-lala

The Universal Christ is individualised for all.  Each person's inner Christ Self is the "image and likeness" of the universal Christ consciousness.   Like Jesus' Christ Self , our own christ Self is also far more than our human form can show.  Although Jesus has proven that every person's individual Christ Self can manifest in us in a more than ordinary way most people have not yet "gone and done likewise".

Also, at the resurrection ~ 2000 yrs ago Jesus' body was transformed from the 'terrestrial' flesh body into the 'celestial' light body.  His etheric body [as is ours] is far more beautiful in symmetry and form than the flesh.  That is why his friends and disciples barely recognised him after the resurrection.  I guess all that seems like science fiction but Jesus' attainment of Christhood both concealed AND revealed more than a 'sweet guy' to the world then and since.  The Christ of Jesus [and our own] is a great light being that is barely contained by the flesh form because it is so much more.  Jesus proved it.

Here is my understanding of the true esoteric meaning of "resurrection". 
Although Jesus was physically resurrected the event has allegorical meaning for us.  To explain...

Each person has a quantity of negative energy in our personal energy field which spans the 4 lower bodies... physical, emotional, mental and etheric.  Each of the 4 bodies and all of the 7 chakras are 'dulled' by the weight of all this negative energy.  We have accumulated this karmic weight by every distorted expression ever expressed in all incarnations.   This energy was originally recieved from the higher spiritual Self but was distorted into a dense, lower matrix [pattern] of selfhood. 

Another way to describe it is that we ourselves "crucified" this energy on the "cross" of the 4 lower bodies in the 4 planes of matter by imprisoning it in a false pattern of lower identity. + + + + This energy has become our psuedo-self  ++++  and it is stuck in materiality until it is "raised from the dead" [vibrations] back into the light [vibrations] of the inner Christ.

In reality it is the Christ Self which is "crucified" on the "cross" of matter in each of us because the lower- ego is actually constructed from the Christ light.  That lower construction of ego- identity will continue to maintain it's "crucified" form by feeding on the Christ light. 

But the inner Christ consciousness has the alchemical power to "raise from the dead" all lower vibrations of lower selfhood through a process of inner surrender.  None of this has got anything to do with physical resurrection.  It is the transmutation of energy and consciousness we are talking about.  But any person who surrenders to the resurrecting power of the inner Christ Self and endures the inner alchemical process to the end [of karmic selfhood] is empowered in stupendous ways.  To transmute the lower self allows the Christ Self to fuse to the soul and allows Christ unfettered access to the 4 lower bodies.  That opens possibilities undreamt of.  The power and might of that innerSpirit has not been left totally to our imagination. 

Jesus proved his full self- mastery by raising his physical body from physical death because he had already raised [the vibration] of all elements of lower selfhood.   His soul was already alchemically wed to his Christ Self before his body was crucified.  That is why he had power to raise the physical body.  In part Jesus' divine plan in doing so was to publically demonstrate the supremacy of spirit over matter.

Over many lifetimes Jesus had devoted his life to awaken humanity to these truths and the need to awaken from the sleep of sense consciousness.  He made karma during his many incarnations but he engaged the process of changing the 'water' of his human consciousness into the 'wine' of Christ consciousness.  Then he demonstrated what that really means.  We are not likely to be called to demonstrate a physical resurrection,  but we do have to resurrect the dead body of the crucified Christ... which is the lower-ego identity within us.  Ironically that means ego- death.  If we are willing to so"die" in Christ we will live in the Christ identity eternally.   

Most people cannot believe that bodily ressurection is possible.  For another publically recorded example see "The Autobiography of a Yogi"  by Paramahansa Yogananda.  See chapter 43 titled  "The resurrection of Sri Yukteswar"
For the free e-book see  www.ananda.org       I've read it several times over about 20 years so i'd recommend it to anyone.

this is from http://www.mythandmagick.bravehost.com/ … hrist.html

and curiously, in talking to Lipstick Mystic one time about healing, and JC, who she had seen and worked with, in her OBE's and such, told me he did look very much like a teddy bear.  was short, very dark, lots of hairy little body, swarthy and sweeter than all get out.  that he was so nonjudgemental and so sweet and caring and so approachable that she was totally amazed.  very very friendly.  and when i ran across this i thot, well, thats interesting and connects.  she said he healed by a/the "divine blueprint" method. and that no past lives were involved anymore, and all that came with living earthlives and all that.  that, that he, like many good healers, apparently real ones, see ppl they way they would be without any intereference, the way they were designed to be, from the original blueprint.  simply remarkable and fascinating.  i believe that.  all is pristine and efficiently working when done.  its a big basket of energy there, thats needed for that, but plugs in nicely when ur into it and know how to let that thru.  i really dig that. 

she said he's very disappointed that ppl dont really "get" him, and the last thing he wants or expects is ppl to whore (whOREship) him.  and that he loathes ppl and religions speaking for him.  he's very gentle and only cares about PEOPLE.  thats his job.  he takes it seriously.  there's a big difference in that and KRISTOS, and all that.  thats actually completely different and almost completely misunderstood, as that power has always been around and lives in the universe as a strong enlightened energy force that we operate with locally and farther.  all that can be looked up and researched.  wont get into that here.  but look at this writer's whole section on this.  she is interesting and does her homework.  he packs a punch though.  in the old manuscripts i have, when everybody dies, he comes to each and every one after they get settled and approaches and is very hospitable.  from the reading i did with those, id suspect he takes on the look they think he has.  from what theyve seen and been told.  what they believe.  he comes and then goes, and its all very sweet.  and meaningful.  the ppl tell him they didnt expect theyd be important enough for him to show up.  theyre amazed he did so.  and he tells them that he always does it, after a few days or weeks, after theyre settled.  ive read similar to that, in many disconnected sources.  he comes when theyre in a comfortable environment, when theyre more ready or like that to accept "more."  anyway.  here he is almost looking like he needs help himself.  theres a couple of lines in there with ancient writers almost calling him deformed.   hmmmm.  makes him very very human.  i have also read the C's say his father was Tonatha, an angel.  VS alien, off world spiritual being, et al.   and i also saw somewhere (where i dont save these things for whatever reason), another source, has him fathered too by a being with a very similar moniker, with a similar spelling and pronounciation.  just more stuff that blends and reveals how we dont know hardly anything about hardly anything like we think we do.  i take it all in and mess around with it.  it doesnt matter really, but its is unreal info.  prob why i dont save it and argue it.  i skip over lots of "facts" and such.  like "AMEN" after prayers.  when one gets into looking that up and going round--big surprises for the average sheep/le.  again, a very DEEP rabbit hole.

http://www.keithlaney.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=7324

People got around a lot more than they're given credit for apparently, so there may have been a good number of "great teachers" traveling the world.

Look at this from the post about Hopi legends:

In one breath David Icke and others say that Jesus never walked the earth, that it is a myth, that Constantine brought scolars together who brought many religions together ,took the best bits/fables, to establish a one world religion that all could accept, ergo, Catholisim=Universal.

That the "Messiah, Virgin birth" fable , appears in many ancient civilisations and it was just copied by those who wished to decieve.
Putting forth apparent facts of historians at the time of Christs ministry making no mention of such a man in the Middle-Eastern region at the supposed time.

Then in the next breath, that a man called Jesus did walk the earth but as an enlightened being, in touch with the true source, his crucifiction was staged and he lived for many years after this event and had wives and children.

So, do we accept that he was not the son of the biblical God, who would forgive the world it's sins because an entity died on a cross, that the God of the Old Testament traveled around in space-ships and that others have contorted and twisted his life into what they want the world to believe, that he and his followers knew this and left the clues for us to discover of the true nature of what actually occured, who he was, a voluteer helper soul in touch with the true source trying to help us see throught the illusion and cover-ups?

I suppose what I should realise is, while one story, the main, may be debunked somewhat, it does not make the sub-plot infeasible.

Did I just answer my own question? *Slaps Forehead*

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bigge … %20Stories

I read this in it's entirety.
Very interesting.
Many here have probably read this too.
I've read a bit about Stiener and there are  many references here.
There are many great statements and philosophies by the author and Steiner.
I do not accept it all as truth but I have drawn much wisdom and food for thought from it,
just like I drew love and  forgiveness from the Christ entity, real or not.
The problem with all this truth-seeking is trying to get the big picture.
There are so many ideas and postualtions and philosophies and statements of fact
that need to be contemplated but it is all , ultimately, about your personal search for the truth.
Eventually you don't know what to think.
As stated in passages from the above link, this can be dangerous as the mind begins to soak up all the information and quickly glances over information after information and can become susceptible to negative influences and be lead in the wrong direction.

Some help I recieved can be found in the following quotes:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bibli … %20Science

I have been aware of the dangers of over-load and am going to take it easier from now on.
I am going to change my life, drastically and allow the forces which first brought me to the awareness of higher conciousness to bring me to other , further conclusions, that can only be found through life- experiences and personal soul-searching.

See also "Additional information:"

This Awareness indicates that all of this searching hither and thither, looking here then looking there, searching for the answer, finding an answer, giving an answer to someone who refuses that answer, searching for a still greater answer that will be accepted by all, looking for truths here and there, sharing your new-found truths...all of this effort is in essence the effort to discover who, in fact, you really are.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio … llyare.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio … smyth2.htm

So whether Christ exisited or not, whether you believe in him, or not,
whoever you are, best wishes and intents in discovering your truth, in discovering who you really are.

PS: The advocation of amalgamation of the flesh, (flesh and bone) body with the spiritual essence, (along with the restriction  flesh and bone will bring ) should start the warning bells ringing.
It is a walking nightmare, even horrific concept ,to me at least, to imagine for a moment ,being caught in a physical form forever that is only capable of existing in 3D.
The progression is retarded.
We must therefore think carefully before accepting "any" concept/s pertaining to physicallity.
This does not rule out the possibility of "other" bodies that may be capable of existing in "other" dimensions but we must not forget the possibility that the end goal may be bodiless.
If the end goal does not refer to this or makes no mention and perhaps hints at physicallity as the end goal, you must take a step back and investigate the ramifications of this.

Added:

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/relig … lonius.htm

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/religion/religion.htm