. Educate me!

That will be very hard, when I see what you already know ;-)

Actually I've spent most of my time in Mali (West Africa), living in the biggest city Bamako...

It's really hard for me to speak about that country because each time I go there I see things very differently...

But the more I go deep into that culture, the more I feel humans are always dealing with EXACTLY the same things but using a different point of view. But for me (that's my experience) it always comes back to one point: dealing with parasites (it's funny there is a lot about that right now on NR).

Staying months in Mali and coming back home is like coming with a different point of view on the same thing I've known since childhood, so I'm really shocked by what I see when I go into a mall here: sex, sex, sex ,sex.

Not that sex is not a huge thing in Africa (it is!), but you will never see it with your eyes in the street in a conservative place as Mali (it's not the same in other countries like Ivory Coast for example). You have to date African girls and have close friends to feel it...

So it's always the same song but the rythm is different, and moving back and forth from home to there is always discovering something that was there but that I had never noticed before. Actually it's like moving the assemblage point from one point to the other...

As I said it's hard for me to speak about this country, if you have specific questions, just ask ;-)

I'd love to hear more about your time in Afrika -- do you mean South Africa, or somewhere else on the continent?  What sort of town did you live in, what cultures did you connect with, and what did you see there that stands in stark contrast to what's going on in the US?  There must be some interesting stuff you can share with us!  Please share!

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

PS Also, I welcome more input from others outside the US who may be observing completely different things going on in relation to families, family structures, whether people are having kids or not and how that is working out for the average person, etc.  I know that the US is NOT the center of the universe, even though we often think we are! There's so little I know about other parts of the world and the situations there. Educate me!

About the idea of family....

So the flip side of the breakdown of the old notions of family is that is allows us to find a truer, more compatible family that we create through the heart instead of the DNA.  And I think that can be a very very very good thing, ending thousands of years of lifetimes where we've been trapped and limited by those who might share our genetics but who don't share our soul's goals.

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

Great idea!

I was shopping this afternoon in a big city mall, and I was seeing all women and girls being so sexy, even mothers with child, and all men being dressed as if they were on tv, shining and too clean....It is all about being a sexual mate for each others, being attractive or not. After all the time I've spent in Afrika, this was so shocking and obvious I wanted to throw up every minute!
And I really think building a real happy family based on true feelings can "channel" all these sexual energies we are dealing with, making us responsible and stable,and seeing other people as they are, not just predators and preys.

I think one thing that's going on right now is that the more "aware" folk are gravitating away from any blood ties with toxic family members, even if they share genetics with these people. 

And there are more and more people creating families in different ways -- with friends, like-minded spirits, and so forth -- who feel that these people are truly "family."

My "family" has always been very eclectic.  Fortunately I'm close to my parents, but they don't "get" any of the stuff I'm really living or doing.  So it's my mate, and my friends, and my circle of like-minded folks from the Net who are my true companions in energy.

So......I'm wondering these days if the tribal structure we lived under for so long doesn't also have its DARK side that is now getting untangled. For the first time ever, we have a chance NOT to be forcibly tied to our genetic family of origin from life until death, living in the same town.

We have a chance to bond with people who share the same energy as us.

Too often, the genetic family is NOT the soul tribe. Your soul tribe is often completely different than the family you were born into.

The unique mobility that our current era offers us, where we can choose not to have kids and not to be dependent on grandma and sisters and aunts to help us with childrearing, (again, that ties you heavily to your genetic family of origin,) means that we have tremendous freedom to go on a quest and live with like-minded folks. And sometimes that takes a little searching, and it's not going to happen in your hometown or with your genetic family.

So, while the breakdown of the old notions of family can be bad in some ways, I see it as very, very, very good in other ways. People are free to bond with others who truly honor and love their essential nature instead of becoming victim of an arranged marriage concocted by the genetic family, usually as an excuse to keep you close by.  If you come from a really dysfunctional genetic family, you  have the real option to get away and to support yourself in the world apart from those dark, bad vibe, people.

This option, if you think about it, did not exist for most people until the latter part of the 1900's.  It still doesn't in much of the world.

So the flip side of the breakdown of the old notions of family is that is allows us to find a truer, more compatible family that we create through the heart instead of the DNA.  And I think that can be a very very very good thing, ending thousands of years of lifetimes where we've been trapped and limited by those who might share our genetics but who don't share our soul's goals.

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

There's something to what you're saying, Adama, but I don't agree with most of it.  What about people who've chosen not to have children, or people who are sterile and have to adopt?  Following your logic would doom them to a life without sex, which I feel serves a larger purpose than procreation.  If breeding were the only purpose for human sexuality, women wouldn't have "hidden ovulation."  You see, most animals have a breeding season or a heat, which makes it obvious to males that they're fertile.  With women, you never know (unless you're REALLY sensitive, LOL)!

I'm not dooming people who choose to live without sex, but I'm telling that we shouldn't let go our common sense when talking about human matters like sexuality.
Things are really easy actually when you see things as they are...

I agree that TPTB have perverted, repressed and generally twisted our concept of sex and sexual energy, but I think there is a lot to be said about Toaist and other practices that teach how to tap into this energy - retraining the body and mind so to speak.  This kind of knowledge is available for any who seek it out, though it has also most likely been tampered with, (as with many teachings) our intuition can help us sort through it.    I stumbled across it a few years ago and some of the most basic concepts took me a long long time to wrap me head around due to all the imprinting and skewed values I have been taught by society, TPTB, etc.

  I don't think that is all about family.  I am in a committed long term relationship and netiher myself or my partner want to have children... contrary to the pressures/hopes of our families.  We just don't feel like that is why we are here in this lifetime.  So am I supporting the NWO becuase of this?  No...   I believe that tapping into this energy for what it truly is, is part of our path of spiritual evolution as a species.

Anyways... that's what came to mind after reading all of this... just lost my flow here but wanted to add my two cents.  Great thread btw!!

Anthropologists have theorized that the evolution of hidden ovulation served the purpose of binding men and women more closely, because the male never knew when his seed will take.  This encouraged him to stick around, thus helping with child-rearing.  This allowed children to take longer to mature, which in turn allowed higher brain function.

Their theory sounds well and good, but......what about birds, for instance, who have their specific mating times, and where the male has to court the female and it's all quite obvious and set.  Male birds stick around with the females and help to jointly raise the young after the eggs are laid...despite there not being "hidden ovulation" to sort of bait/trick them into hanging around.  So I don't necessarily buy anthropologist's theory about "hidden ovulation" helping to ensure that the human male will stay.   Which leads to this point:

Yup!  I think human's have been tinkered with in a massive way and maybe it explains why we're different from the rest of the animal kingdom.   I'm wondering how many other creatures on this planet have "hidden ovulation" cycles, like humans?   And, are up for doing the deed, every day of the month the way many humans are?  Does anybody out there know?   Humans are supposed to be relatively unique in the sense that we'll have sex despite it not being that time of the month to get pregnant.   Humans do it purely out of horniness, which isn't the norm within the animal kingdom.  With the exception of some other primate species, the bonobo being one, which you mentioned.

Bonobos are also the closest primate to humans out of the whole primate family.   So I'm wondering if humans were created with the base genetics of the bonobo?  (Going on the assumption that we were tinkered with in the first place, which I think we were.  Our genetics are apparently pretty corrupted in a big way, and our body is designed all wrong, and riddled with thousands of genetic defects and prone to massive hereditary diseases, unlike how it is for animals in the natural world.  It can only be explained if we were artifically bred and tinkered with on the genetic level.....)   Thinking out loud here, so who knows.  Gettin' into Lloyd Pye territory here!    http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3596

So anyway, that led me to think of any higher purposes to the idea of procreating despite it not being during ovulation, which you also mentioned.  You know, bonding, expression of love, and all that good stuff.  And that could very well be the case, either as a planned thing for our species, (by "God", aliens, who knows who at this point....) or just a natural by-product outcome of the fact that we do have hidden ovulation.

I don't know if anybody here has read the "Anastasia" book series from Russia (translated into English), but this is one of the many Big Subjects covered in the books.  The idea of what happens when a man and woman pair up with procreation being the ultimate goal...and not just lust.  There's attraction and desire, but it's being fueled by "I want a baby...I want a baby..." In the first book in the series, (called "Anastasia") this happens between Vladmir and Anastasia.  Afterwards he notes that he's been with a lot of women in life, women who were skilled in the art of love, leading to enjoyable experiences, but NOTHING compared to whatever he experienced with her.  He was basically left wondering, what in the flip HAPPENED there when we were together???  It was unlike anything he'd ever experienced.  Well, it turns out that both of them went into the union desiring a child.  She'd been wishing for a baby, and he in turn wanted one as well, and both had that on their minds.   He was viewing her body not as a lust object but as a baby vehicle, and envisioned a baby at her breast, nursing, versus the way they're often seen in our modern world.  But this basically created a WHOLE other vibrational level when they paired up, leading to the highest form of sex one can have...pairing up for the purpose of creation and life, based on love and caring, versus lust and objectification and degradation, which is how it's become for so many people nowadays, (tying back to Daisy's original opening comments about what she's witnessed of the kids her age around her). 

Anyway, just some thouughts...

Anthropologists have theorized that the evolution of hidden ovulation served the purpose of binding men and women more closely, because the male never knew when his seed will take.  This encouraged him to stick around, thus helping with child-rearing.  This allowed children to take longer to mature, which in turn allowed higher brain function.

This is assuming, of course, that people were allowed to evolve naturally, which I'm very dubious about.  I suspect we were tinkered with.  However, there are other primate societies which use sex as a form of bonding, the bonobo  being the most obvious of them.  But your football analogy still holds up under this model.  Get people to forget that sex is about bonding and closeness, and drive them apart.  The result is alienated people distracted by sex and yearning for love they never get.  Perfect fodder for TPTB.

This guy will look so "unfashion"... :-)

IT IS ALL ABOUT FAMILY!!!

Family is the cement of EVERYTHING in this world!
A child without good love and caring around him will reproduce exactly the same thing.

Use your sexual thrive to do anything else than a happy and growing family and you have, guess what: THE NWO DREAM SOCIETY!

Happiness come from a happy family, there is no secret about that!

Most of us never knew that, our parents being too occupied building their non sense career or struggling to have enough money to raise us!

Destroy family and you have an entire population of slaves addicted to sex and entertainement.

I had always partially rejected Wilhelm Reich, thinking "who could ever think sex for children is a good thing?"  But sociology bears his theory out.  Cultures in this world (there are not many left) that have no violence and no sexual perversion allow children to have sex.  They do not have sex with adults, they have sex with other children.  There are no overpopulation issues for these cultures, because they know how to use herbal contraceptives.  Adults naturally pair off and marry.  Children are free to run their own lives, and spend a great deal of time together as a group without adult supervision.  Hmmm, why didn't I learn about this in school?

Our dysfunctional system depends a great deal on women's lack of control of contraceptives.  Even today, even though it is much better here in the states, contraceptives are issues by big business, and people do not know how to mix their own. 

So anyway, the deal with sex today as far as TPTB is 1) repress it, 2) create confusion about it by redirecting it in perverse ways, and 3) cause people to feel guilty about their "yicky" perverse sexual thoughts and drives, and 4) use this to control them.

Please don't feel guilty about any uncomfortable sexual feelings you find yourself with.  Work through them, but consider the possibility that you have been robbed of your normal physiological functioning.  It's been quite liberating, psychologically, for me.

Heads up, if you have epilepsy DON'T click on Millenium's link!

Crap, heads up only works BEFORE the post....damn linear internet forum stylings!

BTW, this thread is fascinating, hear ye!

Rebuttal of "Dispersion of Nonlinear Elements as a Source of Electromagnetic Shock Structure" (Sex)

lt is pointed out that if the classical method of weak solution is to be used for the solution of the problem, then it is necessary to include a resistive element of a sufficient magnitude. The solution so obtained is accurate under well-defined conditions, and among others, it can be shown that energy losses associated with the shock front can be accounted for by that resistance. However, it is inconsequential to assume that as the value of the resistive element is reduced to zero, the energy balance continues to hold. This requires a separate proof. An exact analysis based on a series of experimental results and computer modeling shows that the classical discrepancy can be accounted for in a different way.

To value linear writing over all other types of writing, to suggest that writing which isn’t linear isn’t worth reading or engaging with betrays a lack of familiarity with any writing that occurs outside of a White, western, mostly male framework. How's that for a we vs.them mentality of "assailing your betters" arrogance. Slant thinking Lives! BTW, I'm sure Henry Makow is a fine upstanding fellow or maybe another PORNO FREAK moral majority leader whose name is in the D.C. madams' little black book. I must go..time for cookies and my linear melt down nappie.

Moon Phase: http://blingworld.co.uk/swf/MoonPhase.swf

http://www.lightworker.com/beacons/2007 … Energy.php

Crap, heads up only works BEFORE the post....damn linear internet forum stylings!

BTW, this thread is fascinating, hear ye!