I have encountered a lot of people who seem to just become "activated" when they are around me to behave like complete idiots.  They don't seem to be aware of what they are doing, and they will usually back off if I don't instantly connect with their behavior.  They are trying to provoke a certain response, and if they don't get it from me they seem to just deflate instantly.  I don't doubt that there is some external force influencing them, but I also notice that my own level of paranoia or irritation has a lot to do with triggering them.  In other words if I shift my own energy and my perceptions of the situation, it seems to help them shake off whatever is trying to influence their behavior.  Sometimes I even sense a feeling of relief in the person that they didn't have to attack me!  The pros are different because they will always fall back on using the same tactics no matter how you try to shift things.

Oh, there are agents on this site, alright. That's been a given since day one, and then some. Interesting that
you should mention The Matrix movies and the school shootings link. I noticed that with the Virginia Tech shoot-
ing, Chris Mathews of MSNBC was all "don't these pictures remind you of The Matrix movie" and on and on...
well, it turns out that he based his poses on another film. But they always make a point to mention it. So
it's become a way for the MCS to label truth seekers, to paint them as gun crazed maniacs. It's an easy card
to pull out, and it's rather cheap and unfair, I think. Some people blame cartoons for kids jumping off of cliffs,
yet most kids don't think that they can do these things. Likewise, most young people don't think they can
emulate Neo by taking a gun and blowing away innocent people. It's all a part of the game, all the images, etc.
They showed the shooter's pics, then pulled them down and took the moral high ground.

However, it's good to be hep to that game. I don't think anyone who has been on this board for awhile needs
that lesson.

The woman I spoke of was mentally ill, no doubt about it. The question is when this is vectored by the MCS to
make the ill person into a puppet. What the MCS considers "the mentally ill" is anyone who attempts to get free
of its clutches, anyone with a heart, anyone who rebels . And, of course, if an assumed connection can be made between seekers/researchers, The Matrix, "the mentally ill", and school shootings, then that is all the sheeple need to unconsciously enforce the MCS out of reactionary fear, ignorance, and blindness to the harsh truth. You know, it's all those "woo woo" people who are the problem. Never mind that MILABS is a part of
"the government" and "national security."

There is no way to delve deeply into this material without an excellent intuition. What with the rabbit hole
going so deep, there is no way intellect can carry the day alone.

Well, it has crossed my mind several times on this forum that there are no doubt all kinds of agents and agent provacateurs on the site. Why wouldn't there be? This is a public forum, so in addition to psycho-hyperdimensional handpuppets, there are other agencies trying to make sure that it is not a potential national security threat because the Matrix movies have been linked to high school violence and so forth (I live in Colorado, where Columbine took place) so you know that government agencies are going to be monitoring, if not infiltrating this site.
Then there is also the mentally ill, the possessed by the dark side and the psychopaths who may or may not be mind controlled, and if they are don't know it (Yes, I know this all works together in some horrible way which I am beginning to connection the dots). So, I think, like several people have pointed out, you have to relate by intuition to what people are saying, not just intellectually to the content of their theories and so forth.

Shoogie wrote:

montalk:

Though relatively new to these concepts, I would have to say that this does not seem farfetched to me at this point, considering some things I've experienced. The hive mentality is real I have seen it activated and engaged and there is no other explanation for how several seemingly disparate people can all key in to the exact same negative energy, complete with synchronistic phrases, topics, mannerisms and "insights." It is too uncanny- the psychic output that is exerted in order take one individual down.

Also: my recent observation is that once a powerful programmed agent, OP, robot or whatever permeates a building or organization then that energy is enough to influence others whether they are full-blown STS or just unconscious.
Shoogie:

This is part of the intention to "eat your light" and obscure your connection to other light sources. Don't let 'em do it!-lala

Holy Schmoly, Montalk! You too, huh? Yeah, that's what I'm talkin' bout! There's not really another good explanation for this. I would have to
say that your list of characteristics matches those of this woman. I think I'll take a closer look at some of the
transcripts that deal with these FRV robots. When I first met her I thought she was just a regular crazy person,
which alone can get one off balance. This was an eek! moment, and it really creeped me out. I mean, how on
earth did she get my email address? To top it off, I'd moved to a different location.

Montalk wrote:

Yes, they do seem mass produced. It is really a strange feeling to read these descriptions and see how
closely they match. Heck, they probably grow them underground. As far as mistaking a genuine soul for one
of these things, I think you're right on there too, because if anything, I should have been more paranoid.
I gave this woman many chances to stop with the 180 degree turnarounds, and it never ceased during the
time I had personal contact, and then with they "hey I wanna be friends again" email. And at the time all
this went down in person, I hadn't done any research about abduction/mind control, or any alternative
subjects. I was interested and my intuition told me they could be true, but I thought that she was just a
lost, confused kid, and I felt sorry for her, so I let her take me for a ride. It's good to get this feedback.
It was strange; at the time I got the email, I'd been reading about and studying these things here, on the
board (and it was really humming) and elsewhere, and out of the blue, it's "hey, how ya doing!" I was already
going over those past events in light of my new knowledge, so it was, to put it bluntly, shocking. By then I
was clued in, and it was too late for her to affect me, so I took the smart approach and jettisoned the loon.
Well, okay, not loon...that's insulting to lake birds. The...FRV robot!

These things alone wouldn't be enouph for me, but in combination with abuse, sabotage, probable solicitation of a felony , coercion, manipulation, betrayal and financial trickery, these traits which she displayed made my
hesitation scant. Plus, it was like a living display of the very things we've talked about here.

Shoogie wrote:

Yeah, I can relate. That seemed to be what egged her on: I was nice,  sweet, sympathetic (and I was dealing
with my own problems at the time which made me more vulnerable, easy prey), and that was so easy to take
advantage of! In my case, the person was nice, but sometimes I got the feeling of jealousy or hate, or even
nothing, underneath. It varied, but it was as if the weakened soul's personality was barely there, and she was
easily hijacked for use by the MCS. Now it is my belief that by the time the email came, the takover was
complete for practical purposes, and the idea was to distract me from NR and research into the nature of
the grand conspiracy. They bet that I would be nice, sweet, sympathetic again, that my heartstrings would
be plucked, despite all she did to me (which believe me, I haven't gotten into here, and even if I did, it would
barely scratch the surface). But they bet wrong!

I've had friends who I have had fallings out with, betrayals, extreme hurt, and so on, and in some cases I've
never seen them again. But this was inhuman behavior, combined with these complete 180 turns where she
be so sweet and nice all of a sudden, and oh please forgive me, and blah blah blah. So, it is mighty, mighty
strange.

Shoogie wrote:

Yeah , I know, it sucks. I think most of us here have agents in our lives, due to the activities we are
involved in. Eventually you will come to regard them as pesky gnats. Big, human gnats, but still, gnats.
Kind of like FRV pollution, and we need smog control. The thing that's so touph to deal with is that they are
geared towards the weaknesses of each individual. They can't cope with creative "not-doing."

Lyra wrote

Yeah, , so far, so good. Keepin' my fingers crossed and my sword sharpened!

Agreed. Unless she's really Dick Cheney in disguise, but I don't sense a match.

Regarding a woman who sent her a strange series of emails, Lyra wrote:

That's funny, because I remember this woman as having these characteristics, and in addition, she thought
my description of my dad as a basically great guy with some problems, was a good description of her dad,
as well. And when I met him, some of the things he said to me indicated not only that she had lied to him
about me, but that he was nothing like my dad. He was, in fact, a shallow jerk, and seemed himself to be
hijacked by something. And he went on and on about how wonderful his daughter was! And I tried to tell him,
yeah, but she needs serious help, XYZ, he just repeated the same things over and over. I never saw him
do a thing to help her, though. No guidance. Nothing. Just " I am your scripted 'great dad' and on and on.
And he had that same literal quality, with no sense of humor. She would laugh at inappropriate things,
at other people's suffering, and he wouldn't laugh at all! It was unbelievable.

And each time she would try to start up with me again, it's like you said, a different topic, oh, well, everything's
just peachy now. Eeeg.

Exactly.

Anything come to mind as apropos, to flesh it out? Now that I'm at peace about
these events, I can share them, and look at as if it happened to someone else. I no longer get any attacks
I can't basically lauph off, but I'd like  comments about it, feedback, any similar experiences, to
help myself and others fill in some blanks. It's gotten to the point where it's kind of entertaining, but to
claim to have found me through this site, I mean, that's bozo. (Not sayin' it ain't so, but it's still a bozo thing
to do.)

Wow, that is pretty crazy Sedna.  It's good that you've gotten to a point where you can talk about it nonchalantly, be emotionally detached and have some humor about it all, that's the best way to ideally be, imo.  That means they didn't win.    From what you describe, it sounds like an FRV robot all the way.  There's no other way to describe how she found you again via NR.   

I really dig Montalk's summary list of traits for what to look for.  This is something we were recently discussing after some emails that I'd received from a particular woman, who then started emailing Tom.  Here's my account of what happened, copying and pasting from an email I sent to an NR buddy of ours.  I sent him this since he runs several websites concerning abductions/UFO/MILABs, etc. and is heavily involved in the research and does get emails from people about it all, some of which he's forwarded to me (with these people's permission, from what I understand.)  Figured I'd tell him about our encounter to illustrate FRV robot/time and energy drainers who do 180 personality flip flops.   

_____

....Several months ago both Tom and I got these emails from this woman named K___ who seems to be a MILAB.  K___ found me via my book and then emailed me, all enthusiastic, giving me the basic run down on her family.  Dad was in Naval intelligence, mom was "off" and had issues....exactly like my mom! she told me
excitedly.   Family was screwy in general.  So at first I was thinking, Wow, cool, you know, that's
great that my book helped somebody make some connections.  That's always neat to hear.  So I wrote
her back.  I didn't feel that "tug" toward her though, like an instant sort of affection or liking that I
will get with certain people who contact me, but she had high energy and did buy my book and I always
respond to people in those situations.  So after I responded to K___, she immediately emailed me back, so,
I emailed her again.  And she emailed me back, and so on.  She really wanted to be back and forth email pals
and wanted a connection.  She was wound up about her newfound realization that she might have stuff
happening to her based on her family's screwiness and Dad's intelligence work.   

But soon I realized - her emails basically keep saying the same two things over and over.  Dad was in
intelligence, mom had issues (and was "exactly" like my mom) mom had issues and Dad was in intelligence.
Dad was in intelligence and mom had issues, mom had issues and Dad was......you know, over and over.   
The emails were amped up and hyper, going in circles with the same two points about her mom and dad,
telling me family history stuff, talking *AT* me, using me as a sounding board for her hyper, going in
circles repetitive points, and coming at me like gangbusters to convince me that our moms were sooooo
much alike, EXACTLY alike.  Really desparate to establish a connection with me in that regard. 

In the 4 1/2 years I've been getting emails from people since I first submitted guest articles on Montalk,
I've never encountered somebody like her. 

Soon she was also emailing Tom in the same hyper amped up way, to challenge him on his stance about alien/UFO researcher Steven Greer and the Disclosure Project.  Tom has his ideas about the real agenda going on with that, which he's talked about on his site, but she didn't agree with him AT all and wanted to drag him into this back and forth, back and forth email debate discussion about it.   She began cc'ing me all the
emails she was sending him, so now I was getting like, three and four emails at a time from her.   I told her
Okay, you don't need to cc me on every email you send to Tom.  Honestly, I'm not interested in that subject,
so I'm not even going to read them.  So she stopped doing that and instead stuck to just firing off
emails to me about her mom and dad and family, etc.

No sooner would I email her back and she'd pound out another long one within like, half an hour.  I
realized....this woman must seriously be typing like 90 words a minute to crank these out so fast!   But
the kicker is, she wasn't really responding to the points I was making in my emails to her. She was just
talking *AT* me, basically pounding out these emails to have a conversation with herself.

And then it finally emerged that her mom was actually nothing like my mom.  After establishing that they were "exactly alike!" she did a 180 one day....in mid-email, **mid-paragraph** no less.....and changed her mind.  The paragraph starts out by talking about how both our moms are alike and have issues.  Then by mid paragraph (she's basically talking to herself in this paragraph, like having an internal debate) she starts to get a little tense, then the switch happens as she begins talking about all the good points her mom had, and then by the end of the pargraph she's concluded that her mom was a wonderful homemaker, a good wife, beautiful, talented, smart, amazing, (those words) and that our moms are NOTHING alike.  Then she was off and running in the next paragraph about something else, hyper.

I read that and was left staring at the computer screen going "hanh?" After all those emails reiterating that our moms were exactly alike, and that her mom was troubled and crazy and had issues, now this??

That's when I decided to drop the whole thing.

Something was WAAAY off with this chick.   Unstable personality switching, self absorbed, hyper and amped up, and most importantly.....energy feeding.  Trying to suck both me and Tom's energy and time in all these repetitive pointless emails that go in circles.   I sent one last email, (not telling her I was dropping her, still trying to avoid a negative confrontation) but I did say that in my opinion, I thought I painted a pretty clear picture of who my mom was in the "Appendix" section...so I'm not really sure how this misunderstanding occurred, but I'll go back and re-read my Appendix.  Maybe something isn't clear, maybe some re-writes need to be done.  (truthfully I knew the issue was K___, not me.  She's very self absorbed and only pays attention if the topic of convo revolves around her in some way. If it doesn't, then she doesn't pay attention and only sees what she wants to see.  That much I could tell from our back and forth exchange.)  But I figured it was best to act as if the fault was on my end before walking away.  Leave on a positive note.  Try a new tactic, versus my old way of handling things which is to just bluntly go off and tell people how it is.

At this point Tom had also dropped her as well.  After he ignored one of her emails there was about a week's lag time.  Then she emailed him again....doing a 180, now agreeing with him about Greer, (!!! amazing!  Kind of like "something" decided to change its tactics   ) but now disagreeing about something else, I can't remember.  Another bait lure, spinning off onto a different topic since the first one didn't work. He just ignored it  and never wrote her back again.   

I figured she'd never email me again, realizing that we were both ignoring her, but lo and behold after two
months I got not one, but two emails from her last week, back to back.  (can't ever just send one. )

[I won't publish the email excerpts here on a public forum, but the gist of the email was that she said, "Remember we wrote back and forth about our mothers?" and then within that paragraph mentioned the crazy mom...and the dad in intelligence.  Same two subjects, again.  But "remember we wrote" ??  How could I forget.  But it just goes to show that the fact Tom and I didn't write her back escaped her.  The nuances of the whole crazy exchange, whooosh, right over head.  Oblivious.  Self absorbed.]

Both her emails were more of that amped up, talking at me craziness, going on and on about all the abduction memory weirdness she just *happened* to remember since the last time we talked. Wanting to take me along for the ride, I guess.  Phase 2.  Not interested though, thank you.     

[She went on to talk about how she contacted Budd Hopkins of all people (!! holy schmoly) and then *MUFON.*  Out of everybody out there she went to MUFON for help, who I wouldn't trust any further than I could throw.  But, that's an FRV thing. She says she spent almost six hours on the phone with a MUFON woman who gave her a "quiz" and determined to her "absolute horor" that yup, she's an abductee....and which left her "shaking and crying" and all worked up.  More low, unstable FRV.   I'm sorry, but I would never tell anybody "who they are" or make definitive conclusions about what their situation is...and based on a quiz, no less.  At best I would offer theories.  Everybody's responsible for figuring out what their personal situation is.  You can't be told by somebody else.   *Even my higher self won't tell me who I am and what my situation is.*   To me that says something about the nature of somebody else, even our own higher selves, telling us what our deal is.  I'm getting that we need to figure it out for ourselves...for whatever reason.  She also said she checked into therapy with her husband for all this...which is good, imo.  That's a step in the right direction.  Maybe it'll be of use.)

When I wrote her back I also bluntly laid it on the line and told her that I couldn't fulfill the role for her that she was looking for with me, that she's self absorbed and only talks *at* me, has no interest in me and who I am at all, and that it's good that she's now going to a therapist, because therapists get paid get talked at. I don't!

It didn't go over well, and her response was nutty and hyper. She was now denying the way the past email
exchanges had gone, twisting things around and claiming a very different version of events regarding the moms being exactly alike misunderstanding.   And I wasn't even going to bother to argue it, going back and cutting and pasting email clips to fight back and prove myself.  That's what the energy feeders want, after all.  And it's pointless.  It's not like she would have acknowledged it anyway.  Then she ended the email with the big dramatic declaration that she wasn't going to recommend my book to people anymore!!   Kind of like, how dare you decide you don't like me and have a falling out with me!  I'm gonna get you back and manipulate you by threatening to not recommend your book top people!     I read that and just shook my head and thought Whatever, dumb ass!  **I give the book away for free.**  Like I give a crap.   Just shows where she's at in her emotional maturity.

_____

After that I blocked her email address the way Sedna did with hers.  I have no interest in dealing with troubled people and will block and address in a blink.   What these people/FRV robots/whatever they are fail to realize is that their nutty responses only go to further prove the points that the other person was originally saying in the first place.

Whether she was an FRV robot or just a troubled real person, I don't know, but it's highly suspect.  We have the time and energy drain, the amped up desparation to connect, and using a bait and switch tactic, (the subject of our moms), the 180 flip flopping in personality, the unstable amped up, emotionally nutty FRV, the inability to care about others, just focused on herself, (that's why she loved the 6 hour MUFON phone call...it was 6 hours of nothing but talking about her, and her situation.  How could she not love it?)  etc.

I still have agents who are sent to f*** with me on a daily basis, excuse my french. Another one was someone I work with. I just started my job like 3 months ago and close to the 2 month mark this person decided she didn't like me. For. No. Reason. At. All. We don't even work in the same office! She works in Albany, I work in nyc like 3 hrs distance by driving. We had seen each other all of 3 times! She and I were actually slated to work on the same policy issue together and she just decided not to give me any of the information on meetings. Keep in mind our staff is small and I had no interaction with this person yet. She just randomly decided she didn't like me. To make matters worse, I share an office with a woman I've known for about 4 yrs. and we're friends. Well, robot lady decides she is going to invite my friend out to drinks after work one day, on the ONE day she happens to be down from Albany in our neck of the woods and not invite me.

Normally I wouldn't care but it was just so unprofessional and hurtful because I hadn't done anything to deserve it. Consider:

1. I work on the same project with her and she doesn't even know me, don't you think she should have made the professional gesture to someone she's going to be working with by inviting her for a drink if she's going to invite another colleague?? Even the other woman was like I don't know why she did that.

2. She came into the office I share with the other woman and told her "I'll see you later" then she turned to me. Stared at me for a moment and said "Hi S***** how are you" in the most disingenuous way.  WTF?

3. She's frickin' 15 yrs. older than me! Grow up. Just because you don't like someone you work with doesn't mean you act like a highschool girl and create cliques. You act polite and professional to everyone! Especially at this early stage of only working together for 3 months on a small staff!!!

I realized she was an FRV robot because there was just no other explanation for it. I hadn't done anything to her. Yet, [heh heh]. Naturally, after this happened I was depressed and asked myself what is wrong? Why do some people seem to instantly dislike me? I'm a sweet, generous person -I'm not bragging. But it seems some people tend to just go for the jugular when it comes to me. Completely baffled; its like the sweeter and more inconspicuous I am, the more a weak, hateful person says to himself: "Hmmmm I can step on her, make her my scapegoat and she can't or won't fight back" . I've come to realize these are the STS or maybe just a rival faction of aliens

There is only one explanation for it. STS Corp. has sent people to mess with my sweet nature. And its working. I am much more hateful and angry and distrustful towards people in general than I ever was. I used to smile at complete strangers, just because. Someone even told me not to "Give away my smile so easily" But it was natural to me!!

Now I find myself thinking cruel thoughts about random people. And things like someone just disliking me for no reason upsets me much more than it would other people. I dwell on it and get really depressed. I just don't understand it. So STS usually gets great loosh from me just by putting hateful rude people in my path.

Well now that I've ranted and come across as a complete crazy person...I'm actually not sure if this related to the thread or not [hee hee].... but I had to get it out.

Since then, I have collated the experiences other truthseekers have had with these types. Interestingly, they tend to share the following traits:

* very low FRV
* emotional discombobulation
* strong energy and time drainers
* rapid 180 degree personality switches
* concedes only to bait you, then switches back to feeder-mode
* questionable mental stability and self-consistency
* appear and disappear quickly
* swarming with artificial synchronicities
* aggressive bent for pedaling disinformation
* generic decoys cannily "custom painted" to match you
* undertone of being hurried, desperate, hustling
* one dimensional, inflexible characters
* intuition feels something "off" about them

Based on everything I have personally experienced and correlated with the experiences of others, I am convinced that these peculiar brand of programmed matrix agents really do exist. No other hypothesis accounts for all the consistent independent observations.

I had a chance to examine the personal correspondence between (R) and the individual whom the Cassiopaeans said was an FRV robot. She was a chillingly close match to the lady who contacted me in 2001, and to all the other cases I have learned about since that time. I don't know what they are, but they might as well be mass produced because they seem pressed from the same mold.

It's possible to accidentally mistake a genuinely struggling soul for one of these things, but only if your judgment and perceptions are clouded by obsessive paranoia that makes you see only what you want to see. Sure, there are people who become easy vectors of attack if partial soul loss due to physical, chemical, or emotional trauma lets something else control them, but their cases are not as severe and sharply delineated as what manifests with full-blown "FRV robots" (or whatever you want to call them). Unless you have experienced this stuff personally, you will lack sufficient context to discern or take any of this seriously. Whatever the case, some people do seem to be more negatively "hyperdimensionally assisted" than others.

The best practical approach is to set boundaries on how much time and energy you are willing to spend on unpleasant interactions with draining individuals. Don't mistake a barrage of synchronicities as necessarily being a wink of approval from the Creator, because the really flashy ones trying to convince you to take a certain course of action tend instead to be manipulations to solicit your freewill despite intuition telling you something is wrong. Don't be weak and let a leech suck you dry just because it would be rude to regain some distance. If you're poured time and energy into a desperate and helpless person and they still haven't permanently learned or done a single thing with all you have given, call it quits for now. If someone buddies up to you through superficial commonalities in interests, personal history, tantalizing promises, and ego stroking, watch for the switch when they start slathering on the disinformation the moment they supposedly have you. And don't be surprised when the moment you don't move fast enough along with their agenda or start heading a different direction, they suddenly pull a 180 and bark at you like they just came down with rabies. Don't get bit.

How could she find me through this site without serious "skillz", or knowing someone(s) with them?

Some interesting things about her included a liking for grey alien  face stickers, ecstacy-taking "butterfly
club girls" (at the time I heard about this I didn't know the butterfly symbolism, but it clicked later), a fascination
with Bob Dobbs without a concurrent sense of irony or humour about it (i.e. being literal about things), believing
she was Satan, and needing to be a house music dj at maximum decibels at all times, with breaks for eating
and sleeping.  In a conversation with her mother I learned that doing drugs excessively from the age of 12 had
left her stuck at the intellectual and emotional age of 15. This was what her mother was told, believed, and
saw from her viewpoint and FRV.

From my experience, she had the manipulation skills of a crowd of sophisticated TBTB 5O year olds. ( She was
24 at the time). And perhaps
beings of another kind .  I continue to  receive psychic threats and attacks from her, or
someone(s) with a clone or near clone FRV'
ear-ringings with images, sixth-sense vibes, and so forth, all specifically to do with this person, associated
symbols, and events.

She lied about me to everyone back then,
knowing no one would believe my version of events, and if she is some sort of agent, pod, or monitor or
something now, who knows?  I know it sounds
like a possible stretch, but the events leading to a tragedy which nearly destroyed me were so strange and
had so many of the marks of MILABS stuff that it nearly shouts it. When someone pops up and then disappears
like that, it seems like some sort of plan B could be put into action, were the so called "friendly" email
entreaty to fail.I honestly don't know, but it made me scratch my head, because what happened with her and her associates
was the last straw for me, and led me to research the whys, leading to the godsend of this site....and then she uses this very site, where
I wanted to feel safe from her and her ilk forever, to attack again! So, not what they appear to be, indeed!

She could be a sleeper who's completely fried, except
for when she is activated and taken over, so she really did forget about the bad stuff she did.
Last summer
I was targeted by agents bumping into me on the street and trying to "befriend" me, I had weird calls, and
other kinds of events which matched the FRV.

Anything come to mind as apropos, to flesh it out? Now that I'm at peace about
these events, I can share them, and look at as if it happened to someone else. I no longer get any attacks
I can't basically lauph off, but I'd like  comments about it, feedback, any similar experiences, to
help myself and others fill in some blanks. It's gotten to the point where it's kind of entertaining, but to
claim to have found me through this site, I mean, that's bozo. (Not sayin' it ain't so, but it's still a bozo thing
to do.)