Lono wrote:

Pinkrlyq wrote:

I can see how eating too much read meat (beef) can cause colon cancer, since that's part of the digestive system, but how on Earth is ham/bacon supposed to lead to lung cancer?!

Haven't you ever heard of someone "inhaling their food"?  (Ba-DUM-pah *cymbal crash*)

(LOL )

Lono wrote:

But it's very obvious to me that there IS an opposing force, one that stands exactly in opposition to them.  I wonder how much of the info we receive through our gut feelings is coming from THAT force.  I wonder who they are, how they operate, and how much they're related to us?

Maybe they ARE us.  Maybe they are our own selves on another level.  We exist in many dimensions simultaneously, and we have been fighting this battle for a long, long time.  Would we really want to be here right now, if there was nothing we could do to change things?  They just want to keep us distracted because we DO have the ability to make use of these dimensional gateways.  I also think that each distinct bloodline of the human race has its own unique ability to access these gateways.  This is why they manipulate races to fight against each other and destroy each other's traditional cultures.  Every time we have the potential to make a dimensional leap, we are distracted by violence.

Karen Bishop's message this week about the shooting was interesting...
http://www.whatsuponplanetearth.com/latest.htm

What's Up on Planet Earth wrote:

Without exhibiting hatred, disgust, or anger, these energies must be escorted to a healing place where they belong, and they must not be allowed in the New World. The gap is far too great to be sending love to this type of energy while it continues to exist along with the masses, as love cannot be accepted or recognized by energies such as these, and therefore cannot make any kind of change or create any kind of movement within such a dense and dis-connected energy.

What annoys me even more is how we play into their hand and go after each other. We seem to enjoy it. Like well if everyone different than me is dead I will be happy. No you won't! You will find another difference and go after your own people.

Pinky, it's funny that you mention the ancient knowledge, because just yesterday I wrote on another forum about alignment of monuments to constellations and events.  I was speaking of the pyramids, but there are many, many others that served a similar purpose.

You're absolutely correct, I think, that ancient knowledge has been commandeered by TBTB, and simultaneously suppressed for the masses. To me, it's like they're not even trying to hide it anymore-- it's just plain for anyone who's willing to look just a little bit.  My thought is that they're getting desperate.  That could just be wishful thinking on my part, but I don't believe so.

I personally believe a grand cycle of some sort is coming to a close/ opening, and that everything they've been doing for centuries has been leading up to this.  I do believe their efforts will be in vain  in the long run.  I don't know why, but it's just an intuitive feeling I have.  I also believe 2012 is too far away.  There's something to that date, but if anything, it's the end of a cycle that's already in full swing right now.  I think the idea is that we're supposed to wait and wait until that time, but by then it will be too late.  Spread disinfo to get the masses looking for something that's already here. 

I do agree that there's been a mass triggering of sorts.  It's not just the shootings.  I've seen several forums and real life personal events where previous peace has just been shattered by a seemingly chaotic force.

Couldn't agree more with you Lono. It's like your project is due 2012 but you are working on it the whole time before then. I believe I read that the current Mayans said the time is now.

'Cho bought ammo clips from e-bay'

                      GASP!

I guess if he had bought a spoon on e-bay and stabbed people with it, e-bay would be in the headline?

DON'T THINK SO

More guilt by association, e-bay is an internet merchant, so the sublim here by logical extension is that this crime would not have been possible without
the INTERNET!

Yes you all see where this is leading.
Let's see how much control we can milk this one event for, look at what 9/11 bought us, after all. And on it goes.........                                        J

Pinkrlyq wrote:

I can see how eating too much read meat (beef) can cause colon cancer, since that's part of the digestive system, but how on Earth is ham/bacon supposed to lead to lung cancer?!

Haven't you ever heard of someone "inhaling their food"?  (Ba-DUM-pah *cymbal crash*)

(LOL )

Maybe they ARE us.  Maybe they are our own selves on another level.  We exist in many dimensions simultaneously, and we have been fighting this battle for a long, long time.  Would we really want to be here right now, if there was nothing we could do to change things?  They just want to keep us distracted because we DO have the ability to make use of these dimensional gateways.  I also think that each distinct bloodline of the human race has its own unique ability to access these gateways.  This is why they manipulate races to fight against each other and destroy each other's traditional cultures.  Every time we have the potential to make a dimensional leap, we are distracted by violence.

Karen Bishop's message this week about the shooting was interesting...
http://www.whatsuponplanetearth.com/latest.htm

I can see how eating too much read meat (beef) can cause colon cancer, since that's part of the digestive system, but how on Earth is ham/bacon supposed to lead to lung cancer?!

Haven't you ever heard of someone "inhaling their food"?  (Ba-DUM-pah *cymbal crash*)

But it's interesting that we're getting the same intuition about monument alignment and symbolism, and Athenais confirms my intuition that they won't succeed.   You know, we do a lot of talking here about the negative forces that want to keep us enslaved, bring about the NWO, etc., as well we should.  But it's very obvious to me that there IS an opposing force, one that stands exactly in opposition to them.  I wonder how much of the info we receive through our gut feelings is coming from THAT force.  I wonder who they are, how they operate, and how much they're related to us?

Athenais wrote:

I don't see it as a what if situation, it's just true.  BTW on Fox News today (the number one please-help-me-wash-my-brain channel) in the middle of all this talk about the shooting they suddenly started pushing flu shots.  Now they are saying that flu shots can prevent heart attacks, so everyone at risk for heart disease should go get vaccinated

God, they're getting obvious!  I guess it's aimed at the "drones" in society who will not think anything amiss and will run off the next day, like good little robots, and get their shots, go to work and tell everyone they know to do the same.

Yeah it was a really surreal moment!  When they started showing people getting the needles in their arms I had to turn it off. I was thinking, how can anyone watch this and actually take it seriously?!   All these major news outlets have really become parodies of themselves.  But I know how persuasive it can be when you get hooked into it and don't know any better. 

I feel that they won't succeed in the end.  They will continue to cause a lot of suffering, and the world may have to learn a bitter lesson to finally get the truth out, but they won't succeed in their plans.

Wow, I'd like to know too!  I didn't even expect that anyone else here might be dealing with it too.  I'll start another thread for that.

The CBS show The Unit just last week ran an episode in which the Unit is called in to assist against the armed takeover of a Virginia University.  Hmmmmm!

http://www.tv.com/the-unit/in-loco-pare … es;title;1

It would be interesting to know if Cho had watched that show, or if it was a case like the first episode of The Lone Gunmen and the 9/11 event!  It's so weird, yet the information is in the mass conscious long before the event takes shape.  Only question is, though, which came first...the chicken or the egg?  Meaning, is the information planted into the mass conscious by an outside force and acted upon later, or does the information come from people who are thinking about it, putting it into the mass conscious, which others then pick up on and report before the event?  It's psychic behavoir via the media!  It's actually the same thing that Quantum Physicists are trying to prove, too.  Good catch, ShineOn!

Lono, I think both of our intuitions are tuned into the same frequency!!

God, they're getting obvious!  I guess it's aimed at the "drones" in society who will not think anything amiss and will run off the next day, like good little robots, and get their shots, go to work and tell everyone they know to do the same.

Ironically, I heard on the radio the other day a news topic they were discussing about warnings issued over eating bacon and ham.  Supposedly, a "new study" shows that eating bacon and ham (don't know why they make a distinction; it's the same animal) has been found to cause lung cancer!  I have no idea what that's all about, but that's what they said!  I can see how eating too much read meat (beef) can cause colon cancer, since that's part of the digestive system, but how on Earth is ham/bacon supposed to lead to lung cancer?!

I think you're right about the agenda to keep the public busy and under control.  What drives me mad is what their ultimate goal is for their own purposes and for the future of this entire planet and people.  I think we've been sold out since the beginning and it's just a matter of keeping the secret until the end.  Maybe they're watching us breed and keeping us controlled for slavery.... or food.

That's so weird to read that!  I've been complaining for the past couple of weeks that my ears are completely congested.  It's like when you blow your nose too hard and you're hearing through a tunnel until you can "pop" your ears again.... only mine never pop and don't even feel like doing that... they're just stuffy and tunnel-like, but I'm not sick and don't have a cold or anything like that.   And I've noticed a small "bump" behind my left ear that feels inflamed and hurts when I touch it.  It's not a bug bite or pimple, doesn't itch and isn't very elevated.  It gets hot and sensitive, and it feels like there's something tiny under the skin there.  After reading your post, I mentioned it to my father, and he goes, "Y'know, I've been wondering what the hell happened to my left ear, too!  It feels like there's something in the skin and it hurts when I sleep on that side!"  I checked his ear and it looked red and inflamed in the area he pointed out (on the top outside edge), but I couldn't see anything else out of the ordinary, even when I shined a small flashlight through his hear.  I'm now wondering if maybe more people are experiencing similar problems lately!

Again, I'm asking myself.... what if "something" has been done to a large number of the population (via some form of control, be it chemtrails spreading nanotech "bugs", or the flu shots, GM food that contains human DNA, or frequency control, or even some kind of implants from extraterrestrials, or maybe it's just "natural": an evolutionary step)   What happens when there's a larger mass of people that are "triggered".

I don't see it as a what if situation, it's just true.  BTW on Fox News today (the number one please-help-me-wash-my-brain channel) in the middle of all this talk about the shooting they suddenly started pushing flu shots.  Now they are saying that flu shots can prevent heart attacks, so everyone at risk for heart disease should go get vaccinated  

Now that they have gotten everyone's attention with the shooting, they are going to take the opportunity to push any other agenda that is out there.  There doesn't have to be one main agenda in the public arena.  It's a domino effect, they just continue triggering people in layers.  They trigger people to become paranoid and turn against each other.  They trigger people to seek more triggers.  It's all about building up layers of fear.

I'm pretty sure I have implants in or around my ears, and sure enough, the last couple of weeks I've had major ear trouble, congestion, earache, infection.  I had an idea, maybe when they trigger implants in certain ways, the body's immune system tries to fight the implant, so it makes you feel sick.

I think the heavy control methods tend to run in families, it's not necessarily that there is one person it centers around, it can just continue from one generation to the next as well.

You're absolutely correct, I think, that ancient knowledge has been commandeered by TBTB, and simultaneously suppressed for the masses. To me, it's like they're not even trying to hide it anymore-- it's just plain for anyone who's willing to look just a little bit.  My thought is that they're getting desperate.  That could just be wishful thinking on my part, but I don't believe so.

I personally believe a grand cycle of some sort is coming to a close/ opening, and that everything they've been doing for centuries has been leading up to this.  I do believe their efforts will be in vain  in the long run.  I don't know why, but it's just an intuitive feeling I have.  I also believe 2012 is too far away.  There's something to that date, but if anything, it's the end of a cycle that's already in full swing right now.  I think the idea is that we're supposed to wait and wait until that time, but by then it will be too late.  Spread disinfo to get the masses looking for something that's already here. 

I do agree that there's been a mass triggering of sorts.  It's not just the shootings.  I've seen several forums and real life personal events where previous peace has just been shattered by a seemingly chaotic force.

http://www.tv.com/the-unit/in-loco-pare … es;title;1

Pinkrlyq wrote:

Y'know, when I read that in the NBC article, it sounded to me like he may have been referring to atrocities that he believes the US has carried out on his people from his native Korea.  If he actually was one of the ROTC volunteers, it's possible that he may have been placed in training for Psy-Ops or whatever that type of unit is called today.  I know that they show you all sorts of crazy things in Psy-Ops training because my dad was placed in the strategical unit of the Army's Psy-Op program back in the 1960's, and they showed him all sorts of awful and gory things that had been done to our "opponents" in previous "engagements".

Interesting, I didn't know they did that type of stuff in ROTC!

Yeah, I believe that's where and when they do their "screenings" to see which candidates would be the best to suit their "specialized training".  Of course, they make you feel like you've "been chosen" or "hand picked" because you have "special qualities" that make you "stand out" from the rest of the team.  And they tell you that you can't talk about it because your peers wouldn't understand. yada, yada, yada ....(Hmmm... sound familiar?.... Most abductees are "chosen" and "special", too, and told not to talk about it!)  Unfortunately, the "special" training is a farce, and you become their toy.  I can't remember which book I read it in, but it was about the MILABS and mind control victims who realized what was going on and trying to deprogram themselves, and when put under hypnosis to remember when their "training" had started, some victims were shocked to recall that it was during their boyscout or girlscout training and certain special visits to military "open-house" parties for junior volunteer training.  So, yeah... it seems that if they have their eye on you, no one is safe from their clutches.  And like Lyra said, it's not only the "original" victims, but their families also suffer and sometimes go through the same training.  I don't want to sound like a lunatic, but I wouldn't doubt that something like that has happened in my own family too.  Lyra's right, too... it is such subtle behavior in certain cases, as to go unnoticed by people who don't know the situation.  Unfortunately, if things get out of hand, it looks very much like someone "just snapped" from an outside perspective, but the truth is never that simple.

What a weird sync that you picked up that book and saw that information!  Too true about gun control not being the main agenda.  It seems to me that it's just the "public" agenda, so that it appears to the mass populace that the government is trying to do something to curb the violence.  It's just a pacifier, but you're right again.... Wouldn't there have already been laws for gun control passed if that were the case?  I don't know what the deeper agenda is, but it certainly makes my mind spin.  And my intuition keeps bringing me back to something "ancient".  That seems to be the one area that we've been kept in the dark about.  And actually, the opposite of what I think to be true has been spoon fed to us for generations via religion and history.  There's much more power in nature that the ancients knew about than our current "leaders" would like us to know.  In the mid-to-late 90's some of it began to surface, and that's why they scrambled to come up with The New Age movement.  They mixed ancient knowledge with a pack of lies just to confuse wanna-be believers and eventually make them look like lunatics.  There's something "turning on" in some of us recently, and we're looking for answers we know HAVE to be there.  The PTB want to give us answers... just not the right ones.  They'll have us chasing our tails and arguing with each other for so long, that the real events will occur without our knowledge.  At this point, I think the exact date of Dec. 21, 2012 is a load of crap too.  It's coming a lot sooner than that.  Intuition will have to be the best guide for us, I suppose.

Y'know, when I read that in the NBC article, it sounded to me like he may have been referring to atrocities that he believes the US has carried out on his people from his native Korea.  If he actually was one of the ROTC volunteers, it's possible that he may have been placed in training for Psy-Ops or whatever that type of unit is called today.  I know that they show you all sorts of crazy things in Psy-Ops training because my dad was placed in the strategical unit of the Army's Psy-Op program back in the 1960's, and they showed him all sorts of awful and gory things that had been done to our "opponents" in previous "engagements".

Interesting, I didn't know they did that type of stuff in ROTC!

I thought it was really weird too, about him supposedly shooting the video in the lounge.  Well he lived in a 3 bedroom suite.  Last night I saw them interviewing one of his suitemates on TV, and I think he said it looked like Cho shot that footage in the common room of the suite.  They were hammering him with questions though so I didn't really catch the whole answer.  Even inside the suite it would be hard to do something like that and not be seen. 

When I was in college I lived for awhile in a duplex on campus.  It was a two-story building with 4 bedrooms, living room, kitchen, and I had 4-5 housemates.  We weren't all friendly with each other but we pretty much knew each other's business.  Even when I had a bedroom to myself, I still felt like I had no privacy.  I don't think one of us could have sat in the living room playing with a bunch of guns without the others knowing it.  Of course when I lived in a dorm it was even more open.  People came in the room without knocking, barged into my refrigerator, borrowed things without asking. 

Maybe some campuses are different but where I went to school, there were no secrets in the dorms.  Especially with the people who isolate themselves, because people will get curious and compare notes to try to figure that person out.  Roommates, especially those who don't get along very well, will go through each others stuff as soon as the person is out the door.  If you have food, drugs, or alcohol everyone finds out immediately.  If you go shopping and come back with any kind of bag or package they go nuts wanting to know what you got, and why you have so much money to go shopping.  You all know who's having sex down the hall, and what music they are listening to while they do it.  You all know who slept in and missed their classes that morning, and what they drank the night before.  We also had cleaning people who came in once or twice a week to vacuum and take out the trash.  I knew a guy who stashed his weed out in the hallway so he wouldn't get caught with it in his room, and he thought it was a big secret but of course I knew where he kept it.  I have a really hard time believing that someone could bring guns into a college dorm at all, much less go to the risk of posing with them for a video, and no one knew anything about it.

Dorm life and college life in general is pretty much designed to make people act crazy IMO.  I didn't know a single person in school that I wouldn't have regarded as mentally disturbed, including myself.  We were all either raging alcoholics, or workaholics, or both.  It was like living in a soap opera every day.  We had one guy sort of like Cho who almost got kicked out of school for attacking someone in class.  But it would have been totally ridiculous to make out like that guy was disturbed and everyone else in school was normal and well-adjusted.       

Well this is sort of touchy to speculate on...but what if they were all involved in some sort of program together, mind control, abductions, even something school related.  And maybe Cho was the only one who was resisting it, or even retaining any conscious awareness of it.  Maybe he saw or just felt somehow that the others did things in secret he needed to punish them for.  Maybe his programming went haywire. 

It's clear from the plays he wrote that he had big issues with molestation.  That doesn't necessarily mean he was involved in ritual abuse, but it does make a lot of sense.

Again, I'm asking myself.... what if "something" has been done to a large number of the population (via some form of control, be it chemtrails spreading nanotech "bugs", or the flu shots, GM food that contains human DNA, or frequency control, or even some kind of implants from extraterrestrials, or maybe it's just "natural": an evolutionary step)

How about the possibility that was overlooked in your list:  Aaaaaaall those MILABS who've been taken, implanted and programmed by the US Gooberment over the past forty or so years?   Understandably, people tend to forget about that aspect of reality/society if it's not something they've researched or have first hand experience with.  Aliens instead become the one of the suspects, instead of looking in our own backyard.   But people don't realize how many people have been programmed and messed with.  All the military people, and their spouses and offspring, for starters.   And most don't even realize it's been done to them either.  They'll have suspicious indicators and weird personality "quirks" and other telltale signs...but telltale only to the people who've researched it and recognize what they may be looking at.   Otherwise they slip by under the radar of life, people never realizing.

Anyway.  Not to always keep bringing up MILABS and government mind control and programming, but it is happening, and most people, even at NR, are unaware of it and when I read your post and noticed you didn't mention it I had to say something.  !

So with that in mind, we come to this.....

They can give a mass group of programmed targets a trigger command and yes, those people would be activated at a certain time to go off.  Now, some of the shooters on the three page list you linked to would probably have been acting on their own accord, just sociopaths and copycats looking to amuse themselves, but the idea of a group of programmed sleeper agents being triggered at the same time to serve a particular agenda can't be ruled out either.   With gun control could be one of those agendas.  It's been talked about for years now, since going back to the 80s at least, the idea of using pawns that are programmed to go off on shooting sprees, to create that whole "Problem-Reaction-Solution" of gun control.   I just came across a reference to this very thing in fact in the book "Extra-Terrestrial Friends and Foes" by George C. Andrews.  In the back of the book he has an appendix talking about the CIA programming people to go off - specifically, school/university shootings - to usher in gun control laws.   But that was back in 1989 I believe when he wrote it, and here we are, 2007, and it's still happening.  I'm not complaining about lack of gun control laws, but it seeemed odd to (synchronistically open the book to that particular random section....) and see him talking about the exact thing that happened this week at Virginia Tech...but back in 1989.  Meaning, we're still in the same place we were back then.  Which then makes me wonder then of course about the theory of programmed pawns used for gun control purposes.  Either they're not programmed pawns, (which is doubtful...there's a lot of evidence proving otherwise, especially in cases such as Sirhan Sirhan, John Hinckley Jr., Lee Harvey Oswald, Mark Chapman, and so on) or.......the agenda isn't gun control.  It's something else, (assassinations aside.)  Otherwise, wouldn't we have had gun control laws put into place by now?  Considering Columbine, and the other school shootings back in the 90s and 80s?   

Maybe the "timing" wasn't right.  Maybe they were waiting til after the 2000's or something, I don't know.  Let the pressure build up over the years, then when something like VT happens, they move in.  Like a chess move.  Who knows.   

Anyway, just my thoughts Pinkrlyq on your post....