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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Babel]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d also like to ask Warren which &quot; Christ &quot; he is referring to.&nbsp; &nbsp; Warren, do you&nbsp; accept&nbsp; that&nbsp; &#039;Christos&#039;&nbsp; is your own Higher Self.&nbsp; &nbsp;Or are you expecting Jesus the man to return in a physical body,&nbsp; overide the freewill of the false hierarchy, and set the world right.&nbsp; If you could answer our questions regarding that distinction it would be easier to reply to your post.&nbsp; Then we would know if we actually disagree or we are just using different terms for the same thing.&nbsp; &nbsp; I&#039;m with spiderMan and adama on this one&nbsp; except&nbsp; for one general thing...&nbsp; &nbsp;People have a very distasteful view today of Jesus and what passes for Christianity.&nbsp; &nbsp;It worries people because it has all become so &#039;formula&#039;... the &#039;formula&#039; is distorted and basically dead wrong and people are increasingly aware of that.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;This and the many crimes commited in the name of Christianity&nbsp; has caused spiritual seekers to cringe at the very mention of Jesus or Christianity.&nbsp; &nbsp;It has caused people to believe that Jesus himself must have taught these strange doctrines as they are taught today in Christian churches.&nbsp; The absurdity of it all.....&nbsp; </p><p> It causes&nbsp; David Icke and others to conclude that the whole &quot;Jesus thing&quot; was a dark plot from the begining because it does very effectively disempower souls.&nbsp; True.&nbsp; It does so because it creates the false belief that an external person [Jesus Christ] has,&nbsp; by submitting to death by crucifixion, wiped out our karma [sins] and if we just confess that and accept&nbsp; Jesus as our saviour, God is obliged to take us to heaven.&nbsp; If&nbsp; Jesus supposedly half solved humanity&#039;s problems in the past and will supposedly return bodily&nbsp; to finish the job in the future then where is is our personal responsibility for our lives now?&nbsp; This naturally causes David Icke and others to suppose that this obviously deliberate lie was constructed at the beggining and that most probably Jesus did&#039;nt exist or if he did he was no-one out of the ordinary... Perhaps just an average joe stooge for the dark powers to imprison the masses.&nbsp; &nbsp;You would have to ask youself that question.&nbsp; But Icke, without a true understanding of&nbsp; the words recorded as Jesus&#039;,&nbsp; has decided the whole Jesus &#039;story&#039; is a scam along with every other&nbsp; &#039;religious&#039; figure in history.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><p> Has Icke considered that Jesus really was a spiritual Adept who did play a special role 2000 yrs ago and has been grossly misrepresented by christianity ever since.?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Jesus statement&nbsp; &quot; The kingdom of heaven is within You&quot;&nbsp; has somehow been discarded to the fringes of the Christian message when it should be at the center.&nbsp; This and many other overlooked statements made by Jesus reveal .. KARMA, REINCARNATION, THE HIGHER SELF within you as your Christ Self , DUALITY CONCIOUSNESS, ONENESS OF ALL LIFE,&nbsp; DIVINE MOTHER,etc .... ~ 2000yrs ago jesus was born to a woman with the virgin conciousness.&nbsp; [a temple &#039;vigin&#039; with a pure conciousness.] </p><p>Nothing is mentioned in the bible about Jesus between the ages of 13 to 30.&nbsp; &nbsp;Because&nbsp; as a teenager he&nbsp; set out for the east in search of higher enlightenment.&nbsp; &nbsp;He travelled to India, Nepal and Thibet.&nbsp; Buddhist texts record his travels and experiences including many similar confrontations Jesus later had in palestine.&nbsp; He learned how to heal and cast out demons. The buddhist people loved him and called him Saint Issa. Many of the priests hated young Jesus and tried to kill him.&nbsp; [ read&nbsp; &quot; The Lost Years Of Jesus &quot; by Elizabeth Clare Prophet. ]&nbsp; He returned to Palestine at age 30 and began teaching the people the truths he had dicovered.&nbsp; &nbsp;He was ready for the Jewish priests and their spies. He had studied the Law and knew what it meant&nbsp; from within himself. </p><p> He brought a spiritual teaching to the jews to raise their conciousness.&nbsp; The people&nbsp; were enslaved by a corrupt priestclass.&nbsp; Jesus came to tell people they didnt need the priests or their organised religion to Ascend to &#039;heaven&#039;.&nbsp; He told them they had the power within themselves.&nbsp; He taught people where the kingdom was.. WITHIN...&nbsp; This was unbearable to the jewish priests, who realised they would lose power over the people if they didn&#039;t stop him.&nbsp; &nbsp;Jesus teaching went beyond the talmud which to the priests the talmud was the ultimate revelation from God.&nbsp; &nbsp;Because of that they decided that this subversion of their power over people could not be tolerated.&nbsp; They conspired with the state to kill him and after a phony showtrial succeeded in having him crucified ...&nbsp; Many people were crucified in those days and it must have been a feral way to die. </p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp;Jesus, like many other people who have lived many earth lives is now an Ascended Master.&nbsp; If anyone can tell us something about our own resurrection and&nbsp; ASCENSION,&nbsp; Jesus and the Ascended Ones can.&nbsp; &nbsp;They can explain the symbology and the reality of these initiations of our own soul.&nbsp; They&#039;ve already done it and they are still here willing and able&nbsp; to help us if we will accept it.&nbsp; &nbsp;Jesus and many others have trancended the &#039;matrix&#039; . &quot; I and my Father are One &quot;&nbsp; </p><p>That oneness was accomplished by all Ascended Masters while in the physical body.&nbsp; &nbsp;I couldn&#039;t leave this subject without recommending one of my favourite websites&nbsp; : <a href="http://www.askrealjesus.com">www.askrealjesus.com</a>&nbsp; &nbsp; You will find the above topics on the site,&nbsp; including issues raised elsewhere in books by Dan Brown, Laurence Gardner, and others.&nbsp; There is a question / answer section on a couple dozen topics.&nbsp; Answers are given by Jesus which ,once again, go beyond the old and current scriptures.&nbsp; The New Testament isn&#039;t so new anymore right?&nbsp; So as you&#039;ve probably guessed most christians who find the site cannot bear it.&nbsp; &nbsp;In the&nbsp; &quot;Challenge to ALL Christians&quot; section at top&nbsp; of HOME&nbsp; page there are several brilliant replies by Jesus to rabid fundamentalist christians who challenge Jesus in the same way the jews did 2000yrs&nbsp; ago&nbsp; &nbsp;Enjoy...</p><p>Edited to open up text into paragraphs</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[nexus]]></name>
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			<updated>2007-04-23T11:27:56Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Babel]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Possible, I know, but this poster didn&#039;t advertise his &quot;Wildeness.&quot;&nbsp; I think it was a scam.com forum under spirituality, and he posted under &quot;Whispering Winds.&quot;&nbsp; It was always just his articles and writings, with no commentary or returns to the thread.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2007-03-29T18:25:22Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Lono wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I like much of Stuart Wilde&#039;s work, but I&#039;ve seen him do the same thing on message boards that he frequents.&nbsp; He simply copies and pastes his latest articles, and this doesn&#039;t garner nearly as much attention/ response as a regular post.</p></blockquote></div><p>Are you sure that&#039;s the real Stuart Wilde? I&#039;d be interested to know what forums they are because as far as I&#039;m aware Stuart doesn&#039;t post in any forums other than his own Redeemers club forum (which I&#039;m not a member of).</p><p>However, I have seen a few people impersonating Stuart and just posting his stuff around the internet.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2007-03-29T16:55:13Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I think Christ&#039;s message was transformed in our own mind because of our laziness...<br />What if the return of Christ was just ourselves opening to our heart and seeing through the veil of illusion.<br />Waiting for a Saviour is very comfortable for us to think, because we have nothing to do but wait!<br />Remember that in this Jesus story (whether it&#039;s true or not, we can use the symbol), he came back from the death, and said &quot;whatever I do you&#039;ll be able to do it&quot;.<br />That means we have the ability to be free from our deepest fears (what&#039;s deeper than death?). That is the most terrifying idea for a brave new world and big brother...so let&#039;s stick to it <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2007-03-29T16:54:52Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Warren, I think it might be helpful to open a conversation about these things rather than posting such large chunks of material in essay form.&nbsp; </p><p>I like much of Stuart Wilde&#039;s work, but I&#039;ve seen him do the same thing on message boards that he frequents.&nbsp; He simply copies and pastes his latest articles, and this doesn&#039;t garner nearly as much attention/ response as a regular post.</p><p>I realize you probably have this material archived on your hard drive, and it&#039;s easier to just cut and paste, but this is a community, not your blog.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2007-03-29T16:49:44Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Warren, Lovely words and all - but is there a point to your post? </p><p>I have to admit I am very resistant to any Christian packaging - so this may have influenced my opinion - but it sounds like you are waiting for the return of someone special to &quot;Save your Soul&quot;. For me this sounds like shirking ones responsibilies. </p><p>I feel the Christian message robs us of power as it seems to assume that we cannot have our own answers - but worse, it seems to pin everything on one guy. That we don&#039;t have to worry about anything because somone is going to come down out of the clouds and make everything peachy. But wouldn&#039;t it be a bummer if we were supposed to find this guy(being - state of being - or state of not being - ) in ourselves ? And that the &quot;dark ones&quot; just put Christianity and other religions there to stop us from doing anything? To prevent us from remembering our true natures? </p><p>Getting back to my opening sentence - the overall effect this post had on me for the most part was a feeling of futility - until the last paragraph when Christ was going to come along. So my question is - was this just for discussion or is the last paragraph a possible solution that you see for all this Evil in the world? I must say - I&#039;m not waiting around for someone to come and save me. <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2007-03-29T16:35:36Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Personal predisposition/bias is truly irrelevant&nbsp; as to the outer style or form of such a comunication.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Warren]]></name>
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			<updated>2007-03-27T01:38:04Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Warren, not sure if you are the author? but that reads a little like a post-script to Revelation. And my guess is that was the intention, nonetheless everyone is entitled to their own point of view.</p><p>Most of the above rolled off my back like the proverbial water. It&#039;s obviously written by someone who is aware of parallel issues, but other than that it seems like a lot of archetypal reiteration.</p><p>Then again I&#039;m not much on the word Ascension either, I tend to think of it more as a lateral phase-shift. Having been down the good-book road, I am just leery of anything that appears to be Biblical idealogy in new packaging.</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; J</p>]]></content>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Babel]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Babel</p><p> Many beings today in the grip of escalating world tension and terminal madness are being forced to repeatedly question the reality which they find themselves in.&nbsp; As they are forced to walk through the mire of this world, those who are hearing the call to new life are experiencing the deep troubles, chaos and evil that infect themselves and the planet.&nbsp; As now they must struggle against the seemingly overwhelming current of collective human delusion and madness, they see a world in its dying throws.&nbsp; A world that has little tolerance for truth, where the strongest and most dominate of egos rule over and at the expense of the weak and the vulnerable.&nbsp; A civilization abstract from nature, home to corporate control and barbarianism,&nbsp; A society that has fallen deep into self absorption, gratification and materialism.&nbsp; Many are feeling the tremendous pressure and tensions as they struggle to awaken in this great and tumultuous time in humanities collective history.&nbsp; Many are feeling and sensing within their hearts that something is going terribly wrong.&nbsp; Confusion shall soon abound as people now awaken and gaze in great pain and distress as to the true and daunting situation that now faces them.&nbsp; As they begin to see that in this time of worldly sickness, confusion and despair they are being forced into an abyss by those who are taking advantage of their great confusion and vulnerability.</p><p> Many of you are becoming aware of the great manipulators of the human race.&nbsp; That there are beings and intelligences of higher perspectives, greater power and evil that are and have been exercising their dominance over collective humanity.&nbsp; As to the collective agenda and perfidious intent of these beings, most of humanity is oblivious or only partly aware.&nbsp; Many are sensing that this world is under a new order of evil but most are feeling an overwhelming futility and powerlessness as the darkness upon the earth is rising and imposing itself over human civilization.</p><p> When we look out into this world we see that human civilization has fallen into its collective self.&nbsp; The vast majority of beings upon the planet live in a totally spiritless state, consumed and absorbed into materialism which is but the identification of a purely phenomenal existence.&nbsp; Those beings who are awakening in this time are understanding the inverted mess that humanity has become and are becoming all too acquainted with the great pains, traumas and dangers that are confronting them through this process in the hostile and aberrant conditions within this formidable matrix of death.&nbsp; Collectively humanity has been drawn into a field of collective illusion that has been occultly generated and cultivated using humanity itself over successive generations under the guidance and manipulation of an intelligent hierarchy of dark masters that today stand at the head of the current new world order that now opens to its full expression.</p><p> This world in its current phase is held firmly in the grip of cosmic evil.&nbsp; In a negative orientation mass humanity has become aligned and polarized anti-christ.&nbsp; Which is the direct inversion of the collective human life field, expressed in our world today as the prevailing consciousness of the collective that sits in positive attraction towards the direct gravitational pull of cosmic Lucifer.&nbsp; It is the dominating ‘I’ consciousness that few of humanity understand but in which they have been intentionally seduced and drawn into.&nbsp; Few can truly see the great and sickening contortion and twisting of the collective mind and that the dominant consciousness of the collective is upside down and inside out!</p><p> From within the collective itself is a point of abstraction that dominates mass humanity in its connection and estrangement, consciously manipulating and controlling civilization through perfidious means and with nefarious intent.</p><p> Comprised of units of consciousness that have completely and successfully inverted their group field, that today sits in direct opposition of divine will.&nbsp; It is this group of dark masters that exist at the top of this grand and evil hierarchy of civilization known to some as the great eye or the planetary Lucifer.&nbsp; Hidden in humanities shadows, they control, govern and direct the collective that now form the climatic yet very short phase of evil dominance known today as the new world order.</p><p> From within humanities ranks they have formed a great hierarchy of intelligence to rule and control via occult means and understanding.&nbsp; Today they rule humanity’s religious, political and financial institutions and control the military, media and educational systems to indoctrinate, hypnotize and manipulate mass humanity into their own evil design.&nbsp; This tower is one great monstrous and organized system to which fallen humanity itself attributes and sustains through its selfishness and ignorance and here-in it is contained through evil occult methodology and fear.</p><p> It is pertinent today to question what this organized system of civilization that humanity has been intentfully been herded into and now accepts as a way of life.</p><p> Mass humanity today, live in a prescribed reality in which they have been forcefully herded and then controlled by those of darkness who, over generations, have used fear, deception and force to shift humanity into its present consciousness prison.&nbsp; This prison is sustained and up kept by humanity through it’s ignorance and self maintenance, surrendering and empowering an order of hierarchal rule which has sought to use them for its own ends in a compact with greater evil that has come to rule this planet.&nbsp; As many are presently awakening to the great and vast extent that such evil is perpetuating upon the collective, they will realize that humanity has been collectively and psychically overthrown and has surrendered to lucifer having adopted its version of illusional reality.&nbsp; This degenerated world, in which humanity in its apathy, willingness to surrender its heart and its spiritual indifference, have prostrated themselves before and accepted evil as their father and their guide.&nbsp; This evil is expressing itself today as the new world order -an evil that barely even resisted or even acknowledged by mass humanity today.</p><p> Quiet literally in exchange for its soul, humanity has adopted this false and pseudo reality and way of life at the expense of all what is truly good.&nbsp; They have now become an integral part and play of cosmic evil which essentially uses them as batteries and pawns to serve its own ends within the cosmic scheme of life.&nbsp; This vast and seemingly complex illusion and glamour of civilization is merely one great distraction and shall soon ultimately bring upon humanities, self-destruction which today is becoming all too apparent to those who are looking out over the world and seeing the doom that is now inevitably approaching.&nbsp; This Planetary destruction has been within the greater plan of cosmic evil despite its vain and deceptive promises to its servants and keepers. </p><p>Humanity though you may be seduced into the great illusion of a magnificent social reality, of beings aspiring to great wealth, fame and power and delude each other into thinking that your great trials, frustrations and pains that you suffer, by keeping this dying yet thriving civilization inspired and maintained, account for something greater and of importance.&nbsp; Though you may think that through serving the great yet redundant religions of the world, shrouding your hearts and minds to the great hypocrisies and lies that they tell you, will bring you closer to God.&nbsp; You may delude yourselves to think that today’s society means something in the face of what looks like being humanities total destruction, yet in the end you shall find that all the pseudo and hypocritical efforts are all born of self and shall come to naught.&nbsp; &nbsp;Civilization today stands as merely one great vacuum and is highly estranged from that which is true.</p><p> This great tower of untruth that is called civilization, is but a great syphoner of energy used by planetary evil to feed and sustain itself and the greater evil that they are subservient to.&nbsp; Together this group of planetary dark masters have, over time, shifted and inverted humanity almost in its totality and today stand under direct alignment in magnetic attraction to cosmic lucifer.&nbsp; This ring of masters are but an ethereal circuit and negative vortex that feeds off humanity’s energy that acts as a gateway to greater hell.&nbsp; It is this group, in its magnetic attraction drawn from humanity itself, that keeps humanity sustained within its negative field of involution and duality.</p><p> Civilization today thrives in and by a truly negative synergetic attraction attempted through human personalities into a forced unification that is magnetically held by fear.&nbsp; It is through identification with its fallen ego that lucifer seduces mass humanity into estrangement from Christ.&nbsp; Now mass humanity in its subversion into gross materialism and ‘I’ identification, turn outwardly misplacing their true birthright to adopt evil as their righteous protector, guide and father, which is none other than lucifer – polarized anti-christ do they now fulfill that which has been prophesized throughout the ages.&nbsp; The new world order is a grand attempt at establishing the perfect society of hierarchal rule and evil in which those dark masters and ruling elite themselves, control the race through manipulation and falsehood.&nbsp; Few people can truly appreciate the colossal effort and energy spent and the grand feat of orchestration that such dark ones have expended, to construct this grand order of lies, illusion and inevitable futility and&nbsp; humanity has in store for itself some big and shocking surprises.&nbsp; All the truly righteous of the earth today, look forward to the inevitable destruction of this great and unholy tower.&nbsp; They silently and in living faith, await Christ’s immanent and prophesized return in power, that shall soon throw those of unholy reign, from their thrones.&nbsp; Momentarily driven by their great evil and fear to make this short stance against divine love, truth and will, they shall now be forced and cast with all their lesser minions, into the very abyss that they, themselves, have opened.</p><br /><p>from&nbsp; <a href="http://theswordbluestar.bravehost.com">http://theswordbluestar.bravehost.com</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Warren]]></name>
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			<updated>2007-03-26T02:17:41Z</updated>
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