~~Ayn Rand
"Humour and sarcasm is not for all women and men, but for those who resonate with it"
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# "Healing Wisdom of Africa", Malidoma Patrice Some
# "Of Spirit, Of Water", Malidoma Patrice Some
# "The 13 Original Clan Mothers", Jamie Sams
# "The 7 Paths of Initiation", Jamie Sams
# Transmissions from www.ascendpress.org
# "The Taoists I Ching", Translated by Thomas Cleary
# "Initiations", Elizabeth b. Jenkins....Inca Traditions
Read on....:lol: okeedokee....not all of us read....:lol:
Yes, I agree with those f''''email where we were toatooly mis-understood.
BeWell, In MoveMent,
=M
"Humour and sarcasm is not for all women and men, but for those who resonate with it"
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I've always wondered how much more (or possibly less) we would get out of reading if there was more of a tonal aspect to it. I suppose there's some value to judging trueness based on how it resonates while reading, because I feel that we try to use tone to mask or exaggerate our true feelings when discussing a subject (verbally). It seems to me tone can be a form of deception, although the subconscious tends to filter that out anyway.
However, especially in the case of E-mail, I've notice many people's intent is misread due to the lack of tone and body language. I've seen people get upset over emails for no reason at all i.e. that hint of sarcasm or humorous tone was not detected through the reading.......
Communication is truly an art, and I am sure one of life's greatest lessons.
That's where these come in handy: 
"This is the absolute truth, and I cannot put it more simply than that. "
According to the Author, this could quite possibly be nothing but another lie...........;)
I believe he's using this statement to illustrate the needed prudence to question authority. I could be wrong.
According to the Author, this could quite possibly be nothing but another lie...........;)
]]>The Liar That Lives
in Your Head
How to change your life for the better by refusing to believe 'the voice of knowledge.'By don Miguel Ruiz with Janet Mills
Adapted from "The Voice of Knowledge" by don Miguel Ruiz, published by Amber-Allen.
Before we were born, a whole society of storytellers was already here. The storytellers who were here before us taught us how to be human. First they told us what we are—a boy or a girl—then they told us who we are, and who we should or shouldn't be. They taught us how to be a woman or how to be a man. They told us to be a proper woman, a decent woman, a strong man, a brave man. They gave us a name, and they told us the role we would play in their story. They prepared us to live in the human jungle, to compete with one another, to impose our will, to fight against our own kind. They filled us with knowledge, and of course we believed them. From the storytellers around us, we learned how to create our own story.
By exploring the story that we create, I discovered that the story has a voice. You can call it "thinking" if you want. I call it "the voice of knowledge" because it's telling you everything you know. It's always trying to make sense out of everything. That voice is always there. It never stops. It's not even real, but you hear it. You can say, "Well, it's me. I'm the one who is talking." But if you are the voice that is talking, then who is listening?
The voice of knowledge can also be called the liar who lives in your head. The liar speaks in your language, but your spirit, the truth, has no language. You just know truth; you feel it. The voice of your spirit tries to come out, but the voice of the liar is stronger and louder and it hooks your attention almost all of the time. You hear the voice, and what is it telling you? "Look at you. Who do you think you are? You will never make it. You aren't smart enough. Why should I try? Nobody understands me. How can I be happy when millions of people are dying of starvation?"
That voice is usually lying because it's the voice of what you have learned, and you have learned so many lies, mainly about yourself. The voice of knowledge can come from your own head, or it can come from people around you, but your emotional reaction to that voice is telling you, "I'm being abused." Every time we judge ourselves, find ourselves guilty, and punish ourselves, it's because the voice in our head is telling us lies. Every time we have a conflict with our parents, our children, or our beloved, it's because we believe in lies, and they believe in them, too.
But it's not just that. When we believe in lies, we cannot see the truth, so we make thousands of assumptions and we take them as truth. One of the biggest assumptions we make is that the lies we believe are the truth! For example, we believe that we know what we are. When we get angry we say, "Oh, that's the way I am." When we get jealous: "Oh, that's the way I am." But is this true? I'm not sure about that. I used to make the assumption that I was the one who said all those things that I didn't want to say. It was a big surprise when I discovered that it was not me; it was the way I learned to be. And I practiced and practiced until I mastered that performance.
Two thousand years ago one of the greatest masters said, "And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." Free from what? From the storyteller who lives in your head and talks to you all the time. I no longer have that voice in my head, and I can assure you that it's wonderful. When the voice in your head finally stops talking, you experience inner peace.
That voice has been in control of your head for so many years, and no, it won't give up just because you want it to leave you alone. But at least you can challenge it by not believing what it tells you. If you follow these two rules, all the lies that come from the voice of knowledge won't survive your skepticism and will simply disappear.
Rule number one: Don't believe yourself. Listen to your story, but don't believe it because now you know that it's mostly fiction. When you hear the voice in your head, don't take it personally. You know that it's usually lying to you. Listen and ask if it's speaking the truth or not. Lies can only survive if you believe them. If you don't believe your own lies, you can make better choices based on truth.
Rule number two: Don't believe anybody else. You know that if you lie to yourself, surely other people lie to themselves. And if they lie to themselves, they will lie to you also. When people talk, you have no idea if what they are saying is coming from their heart or from the liar who lives in their head. Listen to other people tell their story, but don't believe them. You know that it's just a story that is only true for them, but listen because the communication can be wonderful.
You can change your life by refusing to believe your own lies. Start with the main lies that limit the expression of your happiness and your love. If you take your faith away from the lies, they lose their power over you. Then you can recover your faith and invest it in different beliefs. If you stop believing in lies, your whole life changes just like magic. You will be free of fear, drama, and conflict. This is the absolute truth, and I cannot put it more simply than that.
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/151/story_15176_1.html
What one book would you recommend to a novice in these matters?
The Mastery of Love by Don Miguel Ruiz. Practical, down-to-earth Toltec knowledge. It is less theoretical than Theun Mares.
This is what resonates with me the most at the moment.
In response to who to trust. You shouldn't really trust anyone unless what they are proliferating makes you grow and makes you happy. Ruiz in his program (in one of the last chapters) says this about how to reach the point of not being afraid to love and not being afraid of being who you really are:
1. Truth. Truth is relative in this dimension. What may be absolutely true for Ruiz may not be true for you. He states that he is responsible for what he says but he is not responsible for what you believe. Lies are everywhere in this reality. That's why he said you need to follow these steps.
a) Don't believe me (referring to Ruiz himself). As what is true for him may not be true for you.
b) Don't believe other people.
c) Don't believe yourself. We as humans, are so intelligent that we believe our own lies.
2. Forgiveness. Forgiveness is actually a form of self-love. When you truly forgive, you don't suffer anymore.
3. Unconditional Love. You can only be truly happy if you love yourself. If you don't love yourself (the body, the mind, the soul, the heart, everything) then your happiness is not true happiness. The whole world can love you, but it is the love coming out of you that determines your happiness.
What I just wrote doesn't do justice to what is in the book. If you get confused reading the above then it will make sense if you understand the book. I personally haven't read the book. I listened to the audio program, which is the book in audio form.
]]>I couldn't recommend any one book, or author, or line of thinking to anyone, because it is all personal. There's no harm in reading anything if it is interesting to you. I think the worst that can happen is you work yourself up into a paranoid frenzy wondering if it's all true...and this will pass like everything else. The information you take in won't even stick to you unless it actually has some personal meaning in your life. Ultimately we all have to just trust ourselves.
]]>I have always thought, on some level, that books are merely entertainment, which serves to inspire the reader in diferent ways, and that the element of truth in anything may run average 50%, and I don't consider 50% much of a payoff, so to speak.
The info I have digested from the net I would say runs an average of 70%+, but yes that also depends on many variables.
I have learned more from the internet, in the last 7 years, than the 27 or so years before that, or about a 400% increase in knowledge intake.
That is more, by such a long shot, than any book or numerous books could supply to me personally.
I think there is a major difference in needing more knowledge, and wanting more.
I don't want to stop learning, not by any stretch, but for me the desire, the need for more is waning substantially.
I think it's time to put what I have learned into actual use, a 'graduation' of sorts, which is solely determined by YOU.
From theory to practice, which means in many instances, I have settled on a viewpoint pretty securely, and now it's time to hone those skills.
I think that time comes more than once for many individuals, as we get toward the conclusion of this grand book, the chapters may become shorter. But those chapters are more meaningful, and allow us to smooth-in the parts of the plot that made little sense in those beginning chapters.
I'm more interested now in helping others thru the middle stages, so that they may more quickly and seamlessly transition from doubt and confusion, to understanding and clarity.
Those speed bumps are rough....... J
]]>Who reasonates with you , and always has?
Richard Bach, Theun Mares, Story Waters, Rudolf Steiner, Manly Hall, John Baines, Boris Mouravieff, Joseph Benner, Nexus Seven, Nikola Tesla, Carla Rueckert, Ra and the Cassiopaeans.
What one book would you recommend to a novice in these matters?
Messiah Seed by Story Waters.
Who did you once find enthralling and have since dismissed ?
Shouldn't answer that....
Who do you find to be the most disingenuous?
Not a good question to answer either.
All posters are certainly welcome to respond, but I feel that some of the more seasoned posters here can assist we newbies with their perspectives.
Then again, some newbies are more seasoned than some long-time members.
]]>that about sums it up
it's really a marriage of the logical and the intuitive; the thinking and the feeling
a balanced union
feel what you think about, feel what you read, become aware of the subtle changes in feeling when thought patterns are altered
Who reasonates with you , and always has?
To be completely honest, none of the one's you mention. Don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily disagree with any of the authors. I just prefer to create my own focus. So I would just say that my focus is different.
What one book would you recommend to a novice in these matters?
I think additional learning could come from comparing the books, authors, and the concepts that each author has in common. Attempting to find the connecting threads between different groups of ideas may produce ideas that are more probable of being closer to what the reality is. These ideas may be used more securely as a malleable foundation for fresh thoughts. (anytime I say 'thought' or 'feeling' I'm really talking about both as one unit)
Who did you once find enthralling and have since dismissed ?
Every book I've ever read.
Who do you find to be the most disingenuous?
None really. I think most of the fringe authors think they are telling the truth. Some may embellish. Some may be attached to an agency.
Out of the authors you mention I've only read four of them and admittedly not very much. So I may not be the best word on the authors you see as important.
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