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			<description><![CDATA[<p>There&#039;s obviously a disconnect here, starling, and the error is likely mine. My apologies to you.</p><p>Kindly,<br />Sowelu</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Folks who think everything can be accomplished by changing the world and don&#039;t look within get lost. Folks who think everything can be accomplished by working within and don&#039;t look at the outer results get lost. I wasn&#039;t hoping for anything for you except that you might realize that there is more to learn than you already know. Stupid of me to try.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>starling wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Sowelu, purely by coincidence <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> what I&#039;m saying came up on another thread. Take a look at Khansentrayshun&#039;s post on &quot;thoughts that aren&#039;t mine&quot;. Action taken inward without guidance from without often ends up getting lost. Same the other way around. The &quot;result zone&quot; appears to go both ways, with a back and forth flow of information. The reason for a physical world, perhaps?</p></blockquote></div><p>Heh heh... starling, I&#039;m not really sure what your hope is in pointing this out to me. What I share stems from 15 years of experience and lives as a solid knowing in me. Are you wanting to convince me that my experience and the knowledge it produced should be tossed aside and replaced by your current understanding? Are you hoping that I&#039;m wrong despite having lived what I share? Is there a need in you to believe what I offer is wrong and worthless to you for some reason?</p><p>I have no issue with you choosing a different path. I also, however, can only offer what I know from experience, which I do. The fact that what I share doesn&#039;t align with your view doesn&#039;t make this path &quot;wrong&quot;. Anymore than knowing what I know makes your path &quot;wrong&quot;. </p><p>I simply offer what I know as fodder for consideration that may or may not be useful to others. I&#039;m not attached to either outcome. </p><p>Thanks,<br />Sowelu</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p><strong>Starling wrote:</strong></p><p>BTW, I&#039;m a guy.</p></blockquote></div><p>Oh sh*t <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/yikes.png" width="15" height="15" alt="yikes" />. I am SO sorry!&nbsp; It is sometimes difficult to tell on the net what the sex is of the person to whom you&#039;re speaking! (Debbie now blushing)</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>I suggest you compare your method with the basic QT style by using both on something acid, like orange juice or vinegar, and see which reduces the acidity (sour taste) more. If yours works would you please post it on the QT message board; we need lots of experiments done to learn more about this stuff. I&#039;ve been waiting for ShineOn to answer my email about his mom-in-law.</p></blockquote></div><p>This is very interesting. I haven&#039;t tried to change the acidity of anything yet. I&#039;ve read the posts on QT about changing the properties of water and wine. I have some pH strips--I will do an experiment as soon as time allows. I must admit, though, that when I run energy it&#039;s not for very long, as I am still trying to gain back my strength. </p><p>This is very synchronistic. There&#039;s a thread called &#039;origin of energy&#039; on the QT forum that I&#039;ve posted replies to. I was the one concerned about draining earth energy. I understand now that it takes intent to draw the energy from Universal Lifeforce energy instead of myself or the earth.&nbsp; Anyways, Nancy just posted something from Richard where he talks about it not being important to imagine the flow exactly his way. He says that it&#039;s all personal and whatever works for you may not work for anyone. I read this after I started experimenting, and it just basically confirmed my findings! Wahoo!</p><br /><p>Poffo--You&#039;re welcome, dear. I wish you the best on your pursuit of energy! It&#039;s quite exciting, IMO. I find all of this very fascinating. Thanks for starting this thread.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Sowelu, purely by coincidence <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> what I&#039;m saying came up on another thread. Take a look at Khansentrayshun&#039;s post on &quot;thoughts that aren&#039;t mine&quot;. Action taken inward without guidance from without often ends up getting lost. Same the other way around. The &quot;result zone&quot; appears to go both ways, with a back and forth flow of information. The reason for a physical world, perhaps?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>While I appreciate your position, starling, there is a confused lack of understanding in human consciousness regarding the idea that action taken inward is an <em>active</em> path, imo. That clarifying consciousness from a &quot;within&quot; stance <em>is</em> literally, actually and at an essential level, serving others. That all <em>begins</em> with consciousness, and clarifying one&#039;s own, actively and inwardly, is a method by which all are served. </p><p>Outward action taken prior to clarifying one&#039;s consciousness is the path of the last many thousands of years. It certainly makes progress of a sort, but the products of those actions are reflecting the errors in consciousness most clearly at this stage in our mass evolution. So there are many here who are about the business of clarifying consciousness where it <em>lives</em> within, not at the scene of expression (external realm). </p><p>We often mistake what&#039;s &quot;out there&quot; to be more real than our consciousness &quot;in here&quot;, forgetting almost entirely that our consciousness is the starter fluid, it&#039;s what <em>forms</em> what is experienced &quot;out there&quot;. The &quot;others&quot; encountered &quot;out there&quot; are <em>reflections</em> of one&#039;s consciousness &quot;in here&quot;. They are attracted to reflect those parts not integrated or understood in truth yet, so that one can clarify their consciousness. &quot;Out there&quot; is a <em>result zone</em> and not the primary causal field. Which is the reason that focusing one&#039;s activity inwardly is effective, impactful and a balanced approach over placing one&#039;s actions outside on the <em>reflection</em> of &quot;other&quot; with an as yet distorted consciousness determining those actions. </p><p>Witnessing life after forming intents is the way to realize this truth, and make the changes to one&#039;s consciousness inside, on the real playing field. </p><p>But again, understanding this depends on one&#039;s purpose and intent, from a soul level as well as human one. Each of us here is doing our part in our own unique way, expressing our own understanding of truth as we see fit, revealing life in myriad ways, etc.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Sowelu wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Again, basic to every life is trust. Set your intent and trust that if you witness life, it will reveal how your intent is manifesting (or show you where the intent was &quot;off&quot; from nature and your highest good). Rather than feeling you need to &quot;make life move&quot; in ways your mind and will has determined are the &quot;proper&quot; methods. Life knows what it&#039;s doing. Always has. The key is to learn to cooperate with it, rather than direct it from our limited awareness and access at this level.</p></blockquote></div><p>Folks, I believe the opinions given here are really wrong. Has everyone forgotten service to others? If you don&#039;t trust your ability to help then you won&#039;t help. &quot;Witnessing&quot; isn&#039;t enough.</p><p>There is some kind of balance that we should learn here in this world. I&#039;ve learned that I&#039;m not God (new age heresy!) but at the same time that I can do wonderful, impossible things and that what I can do can enormously benefit many others. If these lessons aren&#039;t for you, well, you&#039;re on your own path.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Poffo wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think you and I definately have different mission objectives in our current incarnations.</p></blockquote></div><p>You know... I actually had that thought as I was writing my response. Haha! So I&#039;m taking in your view feeling certain there&#039;s stuff I can grow from in it, and hopefully what I&#039;ve shared can have some value for you as well. Either way, the conversation is a pleasure. </p><p>Best to you in this discovery process, btw! I&#039;ll be reading...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 01:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>z3n3rg wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A problem with the left shoulder would require a localized visualization about creating, manipulating, or transducing the necessary energy in that area.</p></blockquote></div><p>Ya, that&#039;s basically what I&#039;ve been doing so far.&nbsp; In addition to sweeping the &quot;unbalanced&quot; energy of the injury out of the energy/physical body while mentally infusing the area with rebalancing light energy.&nbsp; Thus far I haven&#039;t noticed any MAJOR differences (miraculous healing) but I have noticed that the next day (meditating before sleep) after waking up that I don&#039;t notice as much pain or discomfort. </p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>The following may be completely wrong, but... As far as energy, I would say that it <strong>isn&#039;t required to follow a flow</strong>.&nbsp; The energy is already within the atoms of the glands and organs.&nbsp; The atoms are made from the energy.&nbsp; The energy is the &#039;empty&#039; space within.</p></blockquote></div><p>To me if there wasn&#039;t any flow to be followed then creation would be totally chaotic.&nbsp; Given that we are a complex assembly of these atoms into intelligent life (thus more power to create and be closer to &quot;source&quot;) it would seem to me that as the particles of creation gather in complexity there are new and less chaotic &quot;flows&quot; of energy established.&nbsp; I know what you mean on an atomic/molecular/cell/etc. level but I&#039;m speaking more of the total physical being developing in conscious energetic connection with the realms/reality of both matter and spirit.&nbsp; </p><p>Also consider the various levels of energy density such as physical/etheric/astral.&nbsp; At this point I think that the etheric and energy body are synonymous, but I might be wrong.&nbsp; </p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Taking it further I would brighten the chakras without pulling energy from another chakra or from anywhere outside itself.&nbsp; I would just send thoughts into the localized energy field. Thought units, really.</p></blockquote></div><p>Interesting approach.&nbsp; If the so-called &quot;pillar&quot; of light that runs along the spine which enlivens the chakras is already inherently part of the process then targetting the specific energy centres with the thought units you mentioned could have the effect of regulating and helping to increase that natural energetic setup that is the backbone (literally/figuratively) of the chakra system.&nbsp; In this way you wouldn&#039;t be consciously moving the energy up (without any &quot;work&quot; being done to rebalance the chakra associations) but by intereacting with each energy centre one could strengthen the flow that exists regardless.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Transcix wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You need to build a system that&#039;s right for you based upon what you *know* is right for you, because we are all at different, not better or worse,</p></blockquote></div><p>That&#039;s what I&#039;m attempting with this topic, building a system that&#039;s right for me.&nbsp; The thing is that while we may all be unique we also share the relatively same energy structures but with individual signatures.&nbsp; We&#039;re are alike and different at once.&nbsp; It&#039;s the similarities that I&#039;m trying to focus on here.&nbsp; If I can help figure out the truth of these energy associations for myself, I may be able to help others understand the similarities within their unique setup.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>I don&#039;t understand how you can be asking others to confirm or deny your views on some universal model of harmonious existence in terms of energies... because there is no such thing.. and thinking there is is a key part of &#039;the conspiracy&#039;.</p></blockquote></div><p>I think we&#039;ll have to agree to disagree on this one.&nbsp; I can&#039;t help but see an ordering among the chaos.&nbsp; Also, how does the greater conspiracy relate to attempting to analyze and come to know the harmonious aspect of creation?</p><p>For the record I&#039;m not asking people to &quot;confirm or deny&quot; my views, it may come across that way, but I&#039;m simply trying to expand on and hopefully better answer the questions that won&#039;t go away inside (isn&#039;t that what NR&#039;s about anyway?). If I can help others in the process to figure out their own understanding of this topic then it&#039;s worth it.&nbsp; Discussion can be a major factor in growth and it goes both ways (hopefully).</p><br /><p><strong>Seeking the Truth</strong>, thanks for the suggestions and the technique descriptions!</p><br /><p><strong>Sowelu</strong>, no apology needed on the delayed response, I have the same issue! </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Sowelu wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I was guided from within, or sensed with knowing, long ago not to focus on or worry about the chakras, nor the physical body so much, so I&#039;m likely the last person to answer this question with any effectiveness!</p></blockquote></div><p>I&#039;m not quite so much &quot;worried&quot; about the chakras (or physical) but I&#039;m interested in the relationship with their macrocosmic aspect and what they symbolize in terms of ascending and descending creation.&nbsp; These etheric structures have a definate relation to the physical experience and as such I seek to find a way to reattach that missing link.</p><p>I only asked because your explanation involving chakras was unclear to me.&nbsp; </p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>There&#039;s a good chance that what you wish to accomplish through understanding and using these methods you&#039;ve recently begun researching and exploring, is already happening without your meddling via mental idea constructs.</p></blockquote></div><p>Point considered.&nbsp; But perhaps there is a also a good chance that only relying on the intuitive half will stop that which I want to accomplish as well.</p><p>Also, for clarity&#039;s sake, I&#039;m not sure how old you are and how you define &quot;recent&quot; but I&#039;ve been researching and exploring these topics consciously for approx. the last 3-4 years.&nbsp; As I&#039;m 23, that seems like a while ago, he he.&nbsp; </p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Again, basic to every life is trust. Set your intent and trust that if you <strong>witness life</strong>, it will reveal how your intent is manifesting (or show you where the intent was &quot;off&quot; from nature and your highest good). Rather than feeling you need to &quot;make life move&quot; in ways your mind and will has determined are the &quot;proper&quot; methods. Life knows what it&#039;s doing. Always has. The key is to learn to cooperate with it, rather than direct it from our limited awareness and access at this level.</p></blockquote></div><p>Part of me matching or meeting my intention half-way is posting this topic, seeking external help before/during the internal work/reception.&nbsp; To me being a witness is only half of the &quot;game&quot;.&nbsp; The game or play requires an audience but the audience wouldn&#039;t exist without the players/actors performing. </p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>So using our own inner font of wisdom -- without attempting to compare or contrast to another&#039;s ideas -- will take you where you, specifically, need and want and are naturally inclined to go. In this way you&#039;ll discover what&#039;s precisely right for you, iow. I realize this is not as easy as it sounds, but that&#039;s the effort worth putting in; that which will connect you with your own unique spark&#039;s vitality, intelligence, sense of flow, and wisdom. Life operates naturally, regardless of how we understand it&#039;s function. Every life, and each uniquely according to its own &quot;blueprint&quot;, so to say. Trust is far more important than mentally conceiving or perceiving or grasping what&#039;s going on energetically.</p></blockquote></div><p>I think you and I definately have different mission objectives in our current incarnations. From what I&#039;ve gleaned so far about how <em>I</em> work and am set-up (according to blueprint) I can say that being active (as well as passive) in my own development has been very rewarding.&nbsp; For example, in the last 6 months or so I&#039;ve been attempting to understand the Logos and I had a dream where an old man told me the name Heraclitus, as I was discussing with him my current research.&nbsp; At the time I wasn&#039;t sure what it was referring to and because I wrote it down wrong that morning (I wrote &quot;Heracledes&quot;) I ended up finding seemingly irrelevent leads.&nbsp; Months later I came across the name Heraclitus while re-reading the Law of One (Ra) series and decided to do a search on the name.&nbsp; Turns out his philosophy was centred around the Logos and fit my current research like a glove, helping to make things on many levels newly clear.&nbsp; The point is that that night before the dream I had intended to understand the Logos and also asked for any direction from my HS through my dreams and look what happened.&nbsp; It could be coincidental but I&#039;ve noticed that whenever I take an active role in my meditations before dreaming I more often than not end up with nice results.&nbsp; When I focus on lucid dreaming before I go to bed I&#039;m much more likely to experience lucidity, in my experience.</p><p>I have learned to develop a closer connection with trust/faith as my path has progressed and I see its importance, but that importance is relative to and in combination with action of the will.&nbsp; Only using intuition cuts you off from half of your perceptual ability.&nbsp; I find that using logic/reason in combination with intuition produces the best results.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>For years I had a friend who would chastise me for not being more &quot;balanced&quot;, as they understood it, because I spent what seemed like an inordinate amount of time &quot;within&quot;, and almost no focus on the external or physical realm. This is an understandable view, but if you understand that the current &quot;outer&quot; realm is based on what lives within, you quickly realize that focusing &quot;out there&quot; makes no sense, until one clarifies the inner. The inner is the source of what&#039;s seen &quot;out there&quot;! So once the inner is clear, all that flows outward from it will be less distorted, more real, and true. The &quot;inner&quot; is the negative polarity, basically. The feminine, the &quot;dark&quot;, the unknown, etc.</p><p>The positive polarity here is the &quot;light&quot; or what&#039;s &quot;known&quot; or that which has had light shed upon it. This includes the ideas explored and existing here, the systems and constructs in place, the mind of man, the perception of nature here, attitudes, beliefs, and the active principle as its understood and applied here so far...</p><p>Putting together the understanding of how much has been distorted by the &quot;light&quot; or &quot;masculine&quot; mind here (because its been fueled by an unbalanced feminine or &quot;dark&quot; or negative polarity flow), along with the understanding that so much has gone unnoticed, denied, repressed, ignored because that very mind also tends to cling what&#039;s already known... there is a host of reasons not to focus on the positive polarity flow here until the negative has been duly and perhaps thoroughly explored.</p></blockquote></div><p>I get what you&#039;re saying about utilizing the negative pole before the positive.&nbsp; But personally for me it seems natural (and effective) to focus on both at the same time (if that&#039;s possible). Studying my reflection (creation) at the same time as experiencing being the image&#039;s source (creator) Because I am the source the image can be re-integrated into the whole more efficiently.</p><p>BTW, your idea of inner and outer polarity was very interesting and provided me much food for thought but it&#039;s off-topic so I won&#039;t get into my &quot;issues&quot; with it here, he he.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>As difficult as it is for a mind-directed person to understand (and I&#039;m not saying you are one, I don&#039;t know if you are or not), every injury and event in our life is a result of our energy field&#039;s status. That means... what we are and are not aware of in our total energies, what we ignore/repress/deny, etc., what we cling to, what we&#039;re exploring, what we intend, what we refuse to accept... all of this, in every moment, creates our life experiences.</p></blockquote></div><p>Actually this idea is not difficult for me to understand at all and I <strong><em>am</em></strong> definately a &quot;mind-directed&quot; person.&nbsp; Funny that.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>So if you had an injury you are trying to recover from, the best thing you can do for yourself is understand how that injury came to be, in truth. When you understand what caused it, you&#039;ve already healed it. Because nothing about it is now &quot;dishonored&quot; or distorted or misunderstood anymore... it has no need to &quot;impress itself upon you to get noticed&quot;.</p><p>Attempting to heal from the outside in, as in looking to discover how to manipulate energy to force healing where you decide you want healing... is not necessarily going to get you what you want, and might create what you don&#039;t want. Trust that you became injured for a reason, and perhaps the reason is just what you&#039;re doing: looking deeper into life, energy and what constitutes &quot;natural flow&quot;, etc. And if that is the reason perhaps it&#039;s a good thing to consider a number of different avenues of pursuit.</p></blockquote></div><p>I think I have a good idea as to what caused it but can&#039;t at present figure a way through that cause. Considering the temporary physical hardship and permanently damaged/painful scar-tissue and immobility resulting from it I&#039;m not sure the main reason is only to work on these ideas and look deeper, but I&#039;m open to possibilities.&nbsp; &nbsp;There are many factors involved including a multitude of pre-incarnative choices so it&#039;a hard to fully determine.&nbsp; This is a very good point to consider though, that in understanding, healing is accomplished.&nbsp; However, whether or not that&#039;s immediate or trickles down steadily is up for debate.</p><p>The conscious energetic healing of the specific area is more of a way of managing with the physical part of the injury and to make sure that it heals in the most efficient way possible.&nbsp; Consider also&nbsp; because of the interconnectedness of all &quot;parts&quot; of being) the possibility that by consciously working with the injured area energetically that the &quot;issue&quot; that caused it in the first place could rise to the surface in the process.&nbsp; I don&#039;t see (as of yet) why it couldn&#039;t work both ways...</p><p>Another thing I&#039;ve been considering is that if there indeed is an energy flow from left to right then me doing the opposite way all these months could have weakened my left side considerably.&nbsp; The funny thing is that I&#039;ve had about 5 different injuries (of varied seriousness)&nbsp; all on my left side in the last year or so.&nbsp; Could be related, could not be.....more to add to the list of considerations!</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Believing that life or circumstance is only yours to &quot;pick up and deal with&quot; after life seemingly hands you a blow, is misunderstanding that you&#039;ve been creating your life all along, and the injury is necessary feedback on how you&#039;re doing in that regard.</p></blockquote></div><p>Good point, although I&#039;m not sure if in all cases it could be determined to be acting as feedback as much as pure catalyst.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 01:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Seeking the Truth wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have to thank Starling for this.</p></blockquote></div><p>You&#039;re very welcome and I&#039;m glad it&#039;s been useful for you. I recently attended a QT workshop and learned some interesting info. </p><p>As I understand it, in QT energy is supposed to be run through as much of your body as you can which is why you do a full body sweep. Alain (the instructor in some of the advanced classes) says it could be done from the top of the head to the feet, then back through the body, through the arms and out the hands; it would work that way too. The body acts as a &quot;lens&quot; or transformer of the energy. The breathing is important to prevent any kind of reverse flow.</p><p>Remember after doing any QT session or practice to drink lots of water (yep, this ties right in with the threads on Orgone). My personal experience has been that if I do I can keep doing QT, if I don&#039;t I&#039;m exhausted for the rest of the day.</p><p>If doing distant healing you don&#039;t &quot;send&quot; the energy; picture the person you&#039;re trying to help as if you were holding them in your hands. Even see them as a little doll in your hands. We tried this and it works great.</p><p>I suggest you compare your method with the basic QT style by using both on something acid, like orange juice or vinegar, and see which reduces the acidity (sour taste) more. If yours works would you please post it on the QT message board; we need lots of experiments done to learn more about this stuff. I&#039;ve been waiting for ShineOn to answer my email about his mom-in-law.</p><p>BTW, I&#039;m a guy.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>My apologies for not responding before now, I&#039;ve been away for a few days.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Poffo wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Interesting (to me) that you have the idea of an opposite flow to the one I was familiar with.&nbsp; I&#039;m trying to visualize the flow you have described but I am a bit confused.</p></blockquote></div><p>Within my post I offered what I feel is an explanation for the &quot;opposite flow&quot; than what most are familiar with. When life is <em>first</em> &quot;sensed&quot; or understood with the mind, it will <strong>appear to be</strong> what it&#039;s not, simply because the mind operates from a distorted and limited construct here. </p><p>I reiterate this because of all the things I feel I could talk about in regard to the subjects you&#039;ve brought up in this thread, <strong><em>feeling</em></strong> is likely the most important. Inner senses (talked of by Seth via Jane Roberts as well as many others), as well as basic human emotion feeling, is the key to moving forward in a healthy manner. Never mind how the mind organizes input, <em>feel</em> life for a while without attempting to figure it out or direct it. <em>Ask</em> life to speak to you in a way you can &quot;grok&quot;, as opposed to mentally fit in a box. Realize you&#039;re not separate from it, it is intelligent itself, and you are partners. It&#039;s a very different way of being than most here have. And from this practice what you need will become evident to you in your own unique ways.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Poffo wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>So, it comes up through the left leg and moves into the first chakra and rises according to the relative blockage of the chakra path.&nbsp; My question is, from this point, once settled in heart and connected to mind, does it go back down the chakra path and then out through the right leg? And if so, where does that leave the arms in the equation.</p></blockquote></div><p>I was guided from within, or sensed with knowing, long ago not to focus on or worry about the chakras, <em>nor</em> the physical body so much, so I&#039;m likely the last person to answer this question with any effectiveness! <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" /> </p><p>The sense I had about why these mechanical processes are not important to focus on is the same reason not to focus on most &quot;thought constructs&quot; that exist here... those ideas were formed by limited minds attempting to understand the experiences of energy they were encountering <em>at</em> that time (esp with regard to chakras). They are &quot;dead knowledge&quot; in the sense. And even if they were true or accurate yesterday, they are limited concepts when accessed today. And not your own, to boot.</p><p>Also, they are &quot;outside/in&quot; information flows, which are not nearly as useful or appropriate as &quot;inside/out&quot; ones. In other words, you have your own font of wisdom within to be used over and above anything else you might encounter. Using that, being your own investigator and authority of life for yourself, is so much more in line with why you&#039;re here than trying to grasp someone else&#039;s ideas about what life is, how it moves, or how to work with it.</p><p>This idea goes counter to the established order here, which is no coincidence. There&#039;s a good chance that what you wish to accomplish through understanding and using these methods you&#039;ve recently begun researching and exploring, is already happening without your meddling via mental idea constructs. </p><p>Again, basic to every life is trust. Set your intent and trust that if you witness life, it will reveal how your intent is manifesting (or show you where the intent was &quot;off&quot; from nature and your highest good). Rather than feeling you need to &quot;make life move&quot; in ways your mind and will has determined are the &quot;proper&quot; methods. Life knows what it&#039;s doing. Always has. The key is to learn to cooperate with it, rather than direct it from our limited awareness and access at this level.</p><p>So using our own inner font of wisdom -- without attempting to compare or contrast to another&#039;s ideas -- will take you where you, specifically, need and want and are naturally inclined to go. In this way you&#039;ll discover what&#039;s precisely right for you, iow. I realize this is not as easy as it sounds, but <em>that&#039;s</em> the effort worth putting in; that which will connect you with your own unique spark&#039;s vitality, intelligence, sense of flow, and wisdom. Life operates naturally, regardless of how we understand it&#039;s function. <em>Every</em> life, and each uniquely according to its own &quot;blueprint&quot;, so to say. Trust is far more important than mentally conceiving or perceiving or grasping what&#039;s going on energetically. </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Poffo wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I see a problem however in the strict definition of (-) or (+) polarity for either side of the body.&nbsp; Someone correct me if I&#039;m wrong here but from what I understand each particle in a magnet is pointed in a certain way (forming the linear poles) so that all the positives are pointing one way and the same for the negatives.&nbsp; Like:&nbsp; (-/+)(-/+)(-/+) and so on, necessarily creating a (-) pole and (+) pole in the magnet structure as a whole.&nbsp; A bunch of mini-magnets forming a larger construct taking on the essence of it&#039;s smaller parts.</p><p>Using this natural structure, wouldn&#039;t it make sense that the (-) side of the body&#039;s polarity, for example, would actually be polarized (-/+) whereas the right side (+) would actually be (+/-)?&nbsp; It contains both but one is more dominant, like a man generally has more masculine energy and a woman generally have more feminine energy (with exceptions of course in both cases).&nbsp; Each physical sex contains both but in a biased imbalance, as a magnet would.</p></blockquote></div><p>That may well be accurate. I don&#039;t know if what flows next here will make sense to you in relation to the above idea, but I&#039;ll offer it because it&#039;s what immediately comes to mind when attempting to reply to the above:</p><p>My own life has been focused in the ways it has due to the imbalances that have lived at this level for so long. I have accessed life and worked with it from an essential level (inner), without use of pre-existing mental constructs (the mind is an &quot;outer&quot; construct here thus far, basically), so that what resulted was more truly rooted in the &quot;real&quot; and &quot;present&quot; (which includes and harmonizes a timeline&#039;s past and future variables). </p><p>For years I had a friend who would chastise me for not being more &quot;balanced&quot;, as they understood it, because I spent what seemed like an inordinate amount of time &quot;within&quot;, and almost no focus on the external or physical realm. This is an understandable view, but if you understand that the current &quot;outer&quot; realm is based on what lives within, you quickly realize that focusing &quot;out there&quot; makes no sense, until one clarifies the inner. The inner is the source of what&#039;s seen &quot;out there&quot;! So once the inner is clear, all that flows outward from it will be less distorted, more real, and true. The &quot;inner&quot; is the negative polarity, basically. The feminine, the &quot;dark&quot;, the unknown, etc.</p><p>The positive polarity here is the &quot;light&quot; or what&#039;s &quot;known&quot; or that which has had light shed upon it. This includes the ideas explored and existing here, the systems and constructs in place, the mind of man, the perception of nature here, attitudes, beliefs, and the active principle as its understood and applied here so far...</p><p>Putting together the understanding of how much has been distorted by the &quot;light&quot; or &quot;masculine&quot; mind here (because its been fueled by an unbalanced feminine or &quot;dark&quot; or negative polarity flow), along with the understanding that so much has gone unnoticed, denied, repressed, ignored because that very mind <em>also</em> tends to cling what&#039;s already known... there is a host of reasons not to focus on the positive polarity flow here until the negative has been duly and perhaps thoroughly explored. </p><p>So while I appreciate that many others here will and must focus in what <em>seems</em> a more &quot;balanced&quot; fashion, it is actually neither more balanced, nor for me. I have discovered for myself that it slows down the growth process a great deal, causes a lot of misunderstandings and difficulties that might not have been necessary... and overall just doesn&#039;t work for my goals and aspirations. But... that&#039;s me. Again... I realize not everyone here is doing the same thing or acts for the same reasons, etc. So once again I&#039;d say trust your own innate sense of what&#039;s right for you. <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>Perhaps some questions to ask: Are you trying to understand how life got the way it appears to be here now? Are you looking to be just like your current understanding of life, or are you trying to align yourself appropriately with life <em>as it truly is</em> in order to be healthy and whole? Are you interested in fitting your intent into what <em>seems to be</em> from your limited perception, or are you interested in aligning with what truly IS in truth? </p><p>If the former in each case, by all means use existing understandings of how things are or should be or whatnot. But if you&#039;re interested in the latter... forget trying to fit truth into existing ideas of reality. Let life tell you directly. To do that, you must learn to <em>listen</em> effectively. If you spent all your time doing nothing else but learning to listen to life better, for the rest of your life... it would be a life well spent. This activity relies heavily on everything else about you <em>but</em> your mind. Feelings, dreams, intuition, sensing &quot;feelers&quot; of energy flows, and most especially the heart.</p><p>As difficult as it is for a mind-directed person to understand (and I&#039;m not saying you are one, I don&#039;t know if you are or not), every injury and event in our life is a <em>result</em> of our energy field&#039;s status. That means... what we are and are not aware of in our total energies, what we ignore/repress/deny, etc., what we cling to, what we&#039;re exploring, what we intend, what we refuse to accept... all of this, in every moment, <em>creates</em> our life experiences.</p><p>So if you had an injury you are trying to recover from, the best thing you can do for yourself is understand how that injury came to be, in truth. When you understand what caused it, you&#039;ve already healed it. Because nothing about it is now &quot;dishonored&quot; or distorted or misunderstood anymore... it has no need to &quot;impress itself upon you to get noticed&quot;.</p><p>Attempting to heal from the outside in, as in looking to discover how to manipulate energy to force healing where you decide you want healing... is not necessarily going to get you what you want, and might create what you don&#039;t want. Trust that you became injured for a reason, and perhaps the reason is just what you&#039;re doing: looking deeper into life, energy and what constitutes &quot;natural flow&quot;, etc. And if that is the reason perhaps it&#039;s a good thing to consider a number of different avenues of pursuit.</p><p>Believing that life or circumstance is only yours to &quot;pick up and deal with&quot; <em>after</em> life seemingly hands you a blow, is misunderstanding that you&#039;ve been creating your life all along, and the injury is necessary feedback on how you&#039;re doing in that regard. </p><p>I apologize if this post seems odd or off, I&#039;m having difficulty working thoughts today. So I instead just &quot;followed the energy and let it speak&quot; without managing it in any way. Perhaps the results are useful to you. If not, toss.</p><p>~Sowelu</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p><strong>z3n3rg wrote:</strong></p><br /><p>It&#039;d be like slapping that chakra up side the head and yelling &quot;Wake Up chakra and start sending out your energy vibration like the solar wind!&quot;.&nbsp; And it&#039;d be all like groggy and stuff and be all &quot;wut chu talkin bout?&quot;.&nbsp; And you&#039;d be all like &quot;listen here chakra you&#039;re a piece of the universe now start acting like it!&quot;.</p><p>But I digress.</p></blockquote></div><p><img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" />:lol::lol:</p><p>I love that! Thanks for the laugh!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Poffo,</p><p>I have a couple suggestions; maybe you can incorporate them into your existence. Or not... <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>I have to thank Starling for this. Thank you, Starling!!!&nbsp; She has posted this website before and I went there and looked around. I bought the book and started practicing.&nbsp; It&#039;s called Quantum Touch. It is about using Universal Lifeforce energy to heal yourself and help others to heal themselves. I had been quite ill and wanted to learn how to heal myself since the medical community had not been of use to me thus far (except to tell me what was NOT wrong with me).</p><p>The reason I think it might be useful to you is because it uses a technique that is automatically grounding. It sounds like it might be the same type (or close) to what Robert Bruce is using, although I&#039;m not sure.&nbsp; It&#039;s a process of breathing and sweeping. On the inhale, you bring the energy up through both your feet to the top of your head (or even higher) and then bring it down your arms and out your hands on the exhale. This, supposedly, grounds you at the same time as it is flowing through you. I apologize if I&#039;m not explaining clearly.&nbsp; The website is <a href="http://www.quantumtouch.com">www.quantumtouch.com</a>.&nbsp; The whole idea is to use attention, intention, and allowance. Richard Gordon teaches breathing patterns to use so that you are using U.L.F.E. instead of your own energy (when healing). He also states that it&#039;s very important to let your hands relax and <em>allow</em> the flow of energy to come. If you are rigid, it won&#039;t work as well.</p><p>My mom has been into polarity stuff for a while. We have electrical meridians running through our body. Each one is a zone. You could look for information about zone therapy to learn more about the flow, I guess.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know about the polarity thing and if it has any bearing on allowing lifeforce energy to flow through you. </p><p>Recently, I have started using a somewhat different technique than the QT method. I&#039;m not sure, but I think (and hope!) that it is more effective. You see, the whole basis of energy healing is that it is love/heart based. If you&#039;re trying to help someone heal themselves, then love is required, as well as the intention. So here I am doing the breathe/sweep method, when I realized that the energy was just going past my heart center, maybe picking up some, but it didn&#039;t feel like much. Granted, I could feel the energy in my hands using the QT method, but I feel much more energy--more intense, you could say--by using this new one I came up with. Actually, it&#039;s a combination from what I&#039;ve learned lately--from many different sources. So maybe you can come up with your own. As long as it feels right, then it&#039;s probably working to some degree. Just change it up until your heart center is singing in acknowledgement and you can feel intense energy flowing out your hands.</p><p>Okay here goes: When I&#039;m running energy, I imagine the lifeforce energy coming into me through the bottom of my feet (both) and, at the same time, down through the top of my head, where the energy meets at my heart center. That happens on the inhale. Then on the exhale, I run the energy from my heart center down my arms and out my hands. I used this technique Saturday night in a distant healing session for my mom, and my hands were blazing! I don&#039;t really mean on fire, but the intensity of energy coming out was very much stronger than the QT method. </p><p>I also have one more way that I&#039;m experimenting with: I imagine and allow the energy to come into me as if I were a great big sponge. It comes in through every pore of my body to meet in the heart center. Then again, on the exhale, the energy runs down my arms and out the hands. This method has also brought about sensations in my hands, so I know it&#039;s working. Now granted, I don&#039;t know whether the two forms I came up with are grounding or not. I imagine that they are, but who knows? Nonetheless, I don&#039;t feel like I&#039;m floating off anywhere.&nbsp; BTW, now that I&#039;ve started using these tweeked techniques, I am having a hard time feeling the energy when doing the QT method. Oh, and I do still use the breathing patterns; they are very helpful no matter where you imagine the energy to be coming from.</p><p><strong>You can use this to heal yourself, if your subconscious mind is aligned with your intentions.</strong> To use it on your shoulder will take some imagination. The idea is to sandwich the painful area between your hands so that the energy is on both sides, for the most effectiveness. Well, I&#039;m flexible, but not that much! So when I&#039;m working on my liver, for example, I do one of two things. I either lay both hands on my liver area in the front of my body, or I lay one hand on my liver and imagine that the other hand is on my back (or directly on the organ). So basically, the energy follows thought and intention. If you intend for it, you can imagine the energy going anywhere in your body.&nbsp; This is also how distant healing works. If the person is not in front of you, you have to use your imagination to see that miniature person in your hands. Or just imagining a certain part of them in your hands. It&#039;s kind of like making a PSI energy ball. </p><p>If you&#039;re really interested in this energy stuff (which I am), then I highly recommend the QT book as well as a few books on polarity therapy. There are many available. The QT book was only $15, and well worth it, IMO.</p><p>I hope this was of some help to you. I know I didn&#039;t answer all your questions, but maybe this will lead you to something that will help.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Everyone exists in 12-D, just like 1-D exists in all twelve dimensions, 2-D exists in all but 1-D, 3-D exists in all but 1-D and 2-D... we live in an emissive universe.. and we are all ever simultaneously shooting down the Qabalistic Tree of Life ala a lightning bolt as well as returning back up the Tree ala serpent/Kundalini... some people focus more on the going up, others on the coming down, etc etc... it is a matter of one&#039;s personal stage of soul evolution, as well as one&#039;s personal divinely unique preferences of individual identity coupled with one&#039;s astrological template of their present incarnation. You cannot ever even hope to control it all... but the parts you focus on controlling affect the entirety of your flow.. just don&#039;t be mistaken to strive towards an &#039;all encompassing&#039; model.. there is no &quot;right way&quot; any more than &quot;going down&quot; the Tree in the first place is more of a &#039;Source&#039; for &quot;you&#039;re&quot; being than &quot;going back up&quot; the Tree is... it&#039;s all relative! Remembrance or creation? Realizing the old or keeping the flaws and blocking the new? You need to build a system that&#039;s right for you based upon what you *know* is right for you, because we are all at different, not better or worse, but different, places. I don&#039;t understand how you can be asking others to confirm or deny your views on some universal model of harmonious existence in terms of energies... because there is no such thing.. and thinking there is is a key part of &#039;the conspiracy&#039;.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 03:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>z3n3rg wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>...you control the energy body in the same way you control your arm.&nbsp; You don&#039;t necessarily think about picking up a glass of water.</p></blockquote></div><p>I know what you mean, but the difference here is that I had to learn how to properly manipulate my limbs as a child before I could pick up that glass of water without incident, learning the necessary hand-eye coordination required for the effort.&nbsp; While the underlying physical structure is already present to effectively move the arm and pick up the glass, the associations must be made first by the child so that it can be executed properly.</p></blockquote></div><p>You are right.</p><p>I think I see what you&#039;re after.&nbsp; I&#039;ve adopted the &quot;within to without&quot; visual.&nbsp; But not before I used the left to right energy spin.&nbsp; And the kundalini movement from bottom to top.&nbsp; But why not see all three myself asks myself.&nbsp; To which I respond with the 3 way energy pattern visual.&nbsp; There self, and yes that was interesting.</p><p>There are other visuals too.&nbsp; A stream of energy (or light i guess) coming from the center of the galaxy through the body and into the center of the earth.&nbsp; If that visual is givin feeling to add depth it might could be used as a grounding mechanism I suppose.</p><p>Meh, I don&#039;t know.&nbsp; Just some thoughts to add to your fire.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>I agree and this is what I&#039;m attempting here.&nbsp; Basically I&#039;m trying to unite the linear and non-linear ways of looking at the metaphysical energy processes into practice.&nbsp; Combining the in&lt;-&gt;out as well as above&lt;-&gt;below.</p></blockquote></div><p>Aye!&nbsp; Good to hear.&nbsp; I&#039;m trying to dig down and find some more thoughts on the subject.&nbsp; Who knows what thing will trigger your epiphany on this subject.</p><p>The following may be completely wrong, but... As far as energy, I would say that it isn&#039;t required to follow a flow.&nbsp; The energy is already within the atoms of the glands and organs.&nbsp; The atoms are made from the energy.&nbsp; The energy is the &#039;empty&#039; space within.&nbsp; A problem with the left shoulder would require a localized visualization about creating, manipulating, or transducing the necessary energy in that area.</p><p>The energy field is dense and vibrating faster than we can see.&nbsp; Matter is a condensed version.&nbsp; The condensed energy will create the predicatable patterns of forces we know as matter.&nbsp; Like a quark is a bunch of the energy spinning around itself which in turn creates a pulling of energy in one direction thus creating a force field.&nbsp; And then a few quarks get together to form a neutron.&nbsp; Due to the fundamental forces, spin, and momentum, the condensed energy acts like (what we call) matter after it&#039;s grouping.&nbsp; The universal energy field is like the quantum soup of our material realm.</p><p>I prefer to pull from within first.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think it makes much difference when you really thing about it though.&nbsp; Just depends on one&#039;s own personal perspective I suppose.</p><p>Taking it further I would brighten the chakras without pulling energy from another chakra or from anywhere outside itself.&nbsp; I would just send thoughts into the localized energy field.&nbsp; Thought units, really.&nbsp; Which are basically a grouping of thought/feeling patterns associated with a particular topic or many topics.&nbsp; I could send the thought/feeling pattern of how I came to feel our oneness with existence.</p><p>It&#039;d be like slapping that chakra up side the head and yelling &quot;Wake Up chakra and start sending out your energy vibration like the solar wind!&quot;.&nbsp; And it&#039;d be all like groggy and stuff and be all &quot;wut chu talkin bout?&quot;.&nbsp; And you&#039;d be all like &quot;listen here chakra you&#039;re a piece of the universe now start acting like it!&quot;.</p><p>But I digress.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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