And Dr. Hawkins calibrates the Urantia Book at 150, below the critical point of Integrity (Truth).

So for those who felt "off" reading it, welps you're right

If you're looking for astral kicks and giggles, it's interesting and entertaining indeed -- but if you're looking for raising consciousness and spiritual enlightenment, there are fully verified sources of Truth down through the ages that supply all the information that is needed, without resorting to diversions. You think you can touch it without getting singed, but spiritual/consciousness entrainment works on energetic levels that cannot be felt, and by the time you notice it, it's already too late.

"Straight and narrow is the path, waste no time."

Namaste

- Why Hierarchies?:rolleyes:

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According to Robert Shapiro's channelling of Zoosh.  Lucifer was a Sirian Scientist.
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And Jesus , a Master Teacher!:)

The rumor that some of the original written pages were found at some point. Witnesses supposedly said they were written in reverse. Like looking at writing in a mirror. I saw it referenced in more than one source but of course it was so long ago. Does anyone know more about this (and sheesh! why do I care but I admit I'm curious)?

And - it did occur to me that some of the writings could be based in truth (as in at least some of the cosmology). I mean, wouldn't it be cool to really have some definitive answers about the structural system of the universe as it relates to our earth? This could be why I have been so 'back and forth' with my interest. But then I have to wonder if some of it is correct why is it blended with such corrupt information as well?? One simple answer, surely, is that the 'dark side' is trying to trick us. I was raised Christian - tho' not fundamentalist- and that's how
they say it starts. Part truth + major lies. 

Thing is, even if the cosmology is correct how would we ever know? At least how would we ever know while still in our physical bodies? I have to say I understand that just because a text is huge and detailed does not make it true (all that glitters....).  But the nature and purpose of this book - it is one of the most interesting mysteries I've ever come across in my life so far.

The Morontia Power Supervisors are able to effect a union of material and of spiritual energies, thereby organizing a morontia form of materialization which is receptive to the superimposition of a controlling spirit. When you traverse the morontia life of Nebadon, these same patient and skillful Morontia Power Supervisors will successively provide you with 570 morontia bodies, each one a phase of your progressive transformation. From the time of leaving the material worlds until you are constituted a first-stage spirit on Salvington, you will undergo just 570 separate and ascending morontia changes. Eight of these occur in the system, seventy-one in the constellation, and 491 during the sojourn on the spheres of Salvington.

Super! I can't wait.  570 lifetimes of being under the control of piss taking reptiles, and bungling, incompetent system administraors (millions of them).

I was looking at budgie poo the other day.
Perfect little circles.
Smelly evil black on one side.
Pure lovely white on the other.
I used to string them together
and sell them as Yin/Yang necklaces.
"We judge a species by their faeces"
The urinetha book says.
Do you know why human turds are tapered at the end?
.gnab a thiw tuhs t'now elohssa ruoy os
We've had the great big melting pot
BIG ENUFF, BIG ENOUGH, to take
the world and all its got
and we're turning out coffee coloured
faeces, by the score.
So when you get to this place
Pin a turd on your lapel
and flash it at Lucifer as you walk on in.
Only don't do what I did
and sniff a smell of it.

Because really, I'm afraid the book is misleadingly seductive. Someone else mentioned in this thread white supremacist tones. I have to agree. The section on the earth "races" is very disturbing. Comparing and contrasting, literally, intelligence levels, etc. I take umbrage at this. Not only for myself but also the 'united nations' family of mine back home. And what I find even stranger is that there are people who are considered parts of cultures and ethnic groups who have organized meetings/study groups the world over who would be considered members of the "races" mentioned. And they profess to love the Urantia book and take it as gospel. A puzzlement.

I'll admit, the cosmology is fascinating, the history of mankind compelling - and the life of Jesus as it's told - all fascinating. But I also had to wonder why focus on the Jesus line so much (he is one of my main heroes and light beacons, so nothing against) when there are other amazing souls  who walked the earth as well. It smacks of yet another ego-based bias on the part of the writer(s).

I bought a separate book containing UB excerpts relating to Jesus.  I found it to be well organized and more readable than the New Testament gospels. I don’t see that book listed for sale at the Urantia Foundation website, but they have alternative information on Jesus at http://www.urantiabook.org/index_jesus.htm

Last year I read Urantia, The Great Cult Mystery by Martin Gardner.  He gives examples of UB plagiarism.  The Wikipedia entry for the Urantia book has more information on the plagiarism allegations:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Urantia_Book

Gardner’s book provides much information on William Sadler, the Kellogg family and the relationship between Seventh Day Adventism and the Urantia Book.

A few quotes from Gardner’s book:

Sadler was a devout Adventist while attending Battle Creek College, during which time he and Dr. Kellogg became intimate friends. (p. 36)

It was in 1941 that Sherman [author Harold Sherman] and his wife, Martha, joined what was called the Forum, a group of Chicagoans who met on Sundays to discuss the Urantia Papers while their content was being channeled at night by the sleeping Wilfred [Kellogg]. (p. 113)

Although at first intrigued and sympathetic, the Shermans soon became suspicious of how the channeled material was being rewritten and expanded by Sadler. (p. 113)

I am convinced that Sadler was entirely capable of writing large portions of the UB, integrating them with the elaborate cosmology and mythology that had earlier been channeled by his sleeping brother-in-law.  My main reason for believing this is that too much material in the UB comes straight out of early books written by Sadler. (p. 283)

The Urantia Book (2000+ pages) is available free on line at http://www.urantia.org/
Jerry

I'd like to hear about the connection between Urantia and the Kellogg's family, too, if anyone has more info on that.

Tim

From Wikipedia :

The traveling with the rich dude and his son is not recanted in the bible in any way shape or form……however they are detailed in UB.

Made up?  I don’t know. Interesting?  Certainly.

Winston

The stories about the center of the universe are nice as a story, but they don't make sense hyper dimensionally, and mathematics and physics are now indicating that there are more dimensions then 3.   

After getting to the story of jesus is when I really began to have my doubts about the Urantia book.  It made no sense to me why the beings who apparently had full access to jesus's life, only talked about the stories in the bible, and attempted to clarify them.  Surely more could be done in telling the "true" story of jesus's life, then simply correcting misinterpretations of the bible.  Any person can look at a story from the bible and interject their own interpretation of how to explain some miracle.

(reiteration:)  To try to take this volume of information from start to finish is a huge task.  My suggestion would be to break it down into smaller segments that you find interesting and eventually get around to completing the whole thing.

As some of the others have chimed in here.....caveat emptor.  Use discretion,  but again imho it's definately worth the read.  As you go through the material...if you run across things you would like to discuss, just pose a question and a page number (or range of page numbers) and I would like to participate in the discussion.

I've never really discussed in any kind of detail the book with anyone else who has read it and I welcome the opportunity to compare/contrast ideas.  I've tried to explain the book to other people and have reccomended it to others but it has never resulted in the opportunity to have a meaningful dialog about the content.

I look forward to that.

Cheers!

Winston

I'd like to hear about the connection between Urantia and the Kellogg's family, too, if anyone has more info on that.

Tim

I met a very famous ACIM teacher and he really loved the Urantia book, but this guy was talking about love, spirit and everthing like that but there was just emptiness and no true solutions for people who came to see him.

Have I read somewhere connections between Urantia books and Kellog's family?