The Instincto Diet.  Just throwing that out there.

As someone who went totally raw food and whole food when my babies were babies, and made everything from nut milk to fermented nut cheese, pure fruit icecream and sprouted seed spreads, soaked date sweeteners, to nut and carob balls, hummus to sundried tempeh burgers...   yep it was great for a family living in the tropics and a learning curve extrodinaire.  Super.

But, it is not the be all and end all.  If you can do it, and enjoy it, then do it.....  If someone is kind enough to cook me chilli mussels, who am I to say no?  Thanks and joy is all.  Simple.  Listen to your body, sometimes it speaks for your soul.  As sowelo said "partake", which for me equates to "eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die".  Simple.

Whatever that means for you is good.

It's pretty amazing that those people actually stuck to a raw foods diet and dramatically reduced their diabetes. I can relate since lately, I've been losing weight all of a sudden and my thighs have a "burn" feeling as if someone's been working out alot, plus diabetes runs on my father's side of the family, so it's pretty scary, considering that I'm only 23 and not 67 or whatever. Not cool.

So, thanks for the links. I probably should incorporate more raw/clean foods in my body, but the only thing I'm skeptical about is the fruitarian diet. I would think it's probably bad for you in the long term since your only consuming sugar in the form of glucose from the fruits and carbs. I'm unsure if that's good for someone who is diabetic or someone who has that in their family. Must do research...

a movie coming out about a group of people who healed their diabetes naturally..through raw food
http://www.rawfor30days.com/

Raw food before & afters:
http://www.welikeitraw.com/rawfood/befo … index.html

This guy is a fruitarian.  He eats mainly fruits and some other raw foods, no meats or other animal products.  He kept his muscle mass without all the protein body builders advocate that you need!
http://rawfitnessbootcamp.com/mystory#

As used here, it doesn't mean shaking in your boots, can't sleep at night, or even feeling a need to warn the world (though all of these are a certain level of fear). It means the very simple, base level of choice that goes against trusting you are always well, safe and supported.

the only reason i feel the need to reply is to clarify for the sake of my ego, what i believe...

i agree with you about the fear...  but i still hold true to the fact that we all chose to come here and experience fear (among other things of course) ... there's a liberation we seek that only fear can spark... 

indeed, we ARE always safe and secure and nothing can harm our true nature... but many things can harm our bodies...  while our true nature is in control of our bodies, it obviously CHOSE to let go of some of that control in order to be born human..  im glad that you are so encouraging, Sowelu.  i just dont think that myself, or most people are not so enlightened that we can simply believe in all the great happy stuff without witnessing the bad in our minds AND in our bodies... that's the point i think... of coming here...  if all you wanted was positivity, you've encarnated into the wrong body at the wrong time...

again i dont expressly disagree with anything you are saying...  but i think it would be wise for many to think about fear... and then after trying to suppress that fear, like most of us do, maybe we should embrace parts of it as teachings... and learn to dismiss the pointless ones.... these will be different for each person obviously...

ive noticed a huge fear OF fear itself in the seeking crowds...  and in myself and now i've started to except it..  im trying not to be afraid of being afraid...  that's total freedom from fear in my book...  but freedom from fear means freedom from other positive things as well..  usually im so impatient with my growth, i dont realize that the whole point of living separately is to live separately... and to enjoy life along the path back to oneness, which is inevitable...  inevitable for negatively and positively oriented souls...  only on the lower levels of consciousness does negativity and positivity seem to be at war...  i sense that the positive pole of the source and the negative pole are actually best of friends... because they know that they are helping each other learn and ultimately are essential for each other's existence...  then, when we all meet again in a unified form, our entire universe will have come one full ( albeit massive)  upward spiral revolution and we'll be ready for the next go round... which means another downward spiral. 

i believe that the earth is experiencing it's last leg of the downward and is starting to inevitably bounce back upwards.

rock on, Sowelu!  keep that mind movin and that 40+ years wisdom comin!
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We have an externally focused population, I understand, however the craving doesn't actually exist in the substance desired, it lives within the person experiencing the craving. "Following" the craving, then, is an inward process. Allow it to wash over the self, feel and "be" the energy of the craving. There is a reason for the craving that this process will reveal. And in the end, the benefits of discovering it far outweigh the "danger" or discomfort of allowing the craving to temporarily consume the consciousness of the individual.

The reason the person has an addiction or craving is always valid. Trusting that is almost opposite what the mind and ego does with such things. In fact, the attempt to deny, refrain, contain, or control cravings is the very foundation of the cycle of addiction. Discovering the root cause for the compelling draw toward a substance will yield much and free the consciousness. So to answer another question of why would mother nature or a natural force ever draw us away from something pure and healthy? Because of the learning and self-discovery it will produce. As always, the key is one's consciousness applied to the process.

Making the conscious decision to honor the craving, call all aspects of self to the task. There will be feelings, thoughts, guidance and all other resources available in the experience, if the intent is to open and discover through the indulgence. Again the stance at the onset is important. Open to discover what is there to discover, or close oneself off to discover proof of a suspicion, and your results will reflect that initial intent.

"I feel much more radiant & alive since eating more raw fruits/greens in my diet. "

Of course.  I didn't mean to imply that wouldn't be the case.  Is that the entirety of your diet though?  That is what I have a hard time swallowing.  It is one thing to eat tons of fruits and greens, that can only be good for you.  It is quite another to eat ONLY fruits and greens, that can't be good.  You need high quality protein and fats, and you just can't get that from vegetables (especially high quality fats).  Unfortunately, as starling pointed out, most good sources of animal fats and proteins have a high probability of being loaded with parasites, especially wild/natural sources.  There are a few exceptions, but eat too much raw fish and you'll get mercury poisoning, and raw eggs are just not that appealing.  I think the pleasure you gain from eating can play an important part in healthfulness of the food.  If you're European, I suppose you could get away with a raw food diet that incorporates a lot of fermented dairy, but I haven't seen enough evidence to indicate the health benefits would be anything close to enough to justify the complete loss of culinary freedom.

I guess I should also disclaim that I absolutely love cooking (and eating good food).  To stop cooking is to ignore and belittle nearly 500,000 years of human history.  That is a long time for our bodies to adapt.  Once again, you reference Weston A Price, yet seem to ignore the fact that he never once suggested a raw food diet.

I started this topic on here to see what you all had to say about what the proper diet for humans is after getting into raw food the last 6 months.  I'm of european descent.  German/French.  I'm not trying to recommend or push the raw food diet on anyone.  I really don't know what foods would be proper for me eat or you, but I feel what your eating plays such an important role in your health. 

I still eat some cooked food, wild salmon, organic pizzas and grassfed meats but I cook it at low temps.  Never anything above 200.  I'm not worried about parasites.  I feel if your immune system is strong, you don't have anything to worry about.

I just want to know the proper diet for me to eat.  Could bloodwork to be done to see how my blood/DNA reacts to different food.  Wouldn't that be the easiest way of finding out if a certain food works for you or not, like an allergy test?

Of course.  I didn't mean to imply that wouldn't be the case.  Is that the entirety of your diet though?  That is what I have a hard time swallowing.  It is one thing to eat tons of fruits and greens, that can only be good for you.  It is quite another to eat ONLY fruits and greens, that can't be good.  You need high quality protein and fats, and you just can't get that from vegetables (especially high quality fats).  Unfortunately, as starling pointed out, most good sources of animal fats and proteins have a high probability of being loaded with parasites, especially wild/natural sources.  There are a few exceptions, but eat too much raw fish and you'll get mercury poisoning, and raw eggs are just not that appealing.  I think the pleasure you gain from eating can play an important part in healthfulness of the food.  If you're European, I suppose you could get away with a raw food diet that incorporates a lot of fermented dairy, but I haven't seen enough evidence to indicate the health benefits would be anything close to enough to justify the complete loss of culinary freedom.

I guess I should also disclaim that I absolutely love cooking (and eating good food).  To stop cooking is to ignore and belittle nearly 500,000 years of human history.  That is a long time for our bodies to adapt.  Once again, you reference Weston A Price, yet seem to ignore the fact that he never once suggested a raw food diet.

samiam wrote:

In fact raw fruits and greens take no longer then an hour to digest on average.

Passing it through doesn't mean you are digesting in.  In fact, I am skeptical that you are absorbing much at all in that time.  Cell walls in plants are very difficult for our bodies to digest, and cooking breaks them down.

Well it all depends.  Most people don't have strong jaws/teeth to chew plants down into liquid form because people started eating white mans food which caused their facial structure to change, all goes back to Weston Prices studies.  They can use a blender/juicer to break down the plant's cell wall and get the nutritions out of the hard cell walls.  I just use a blender because I think the fiber is important. 

I highly doubt this is the case.  I feel much more radiant & alive since eating more raw fruits/greens in my diet.  My skin is softer, my hair is thicker, my eyes are clearer, and I don't have bad BO anymore.  So it must be doing something good for me.   I feel great.

Most of all I judge people on how they look.  That clearly demonstrates if your eating right.  Your whole body is built out of what you put into it.  If your eating crappy food it will show.  Girls have it easy because most of them wear makeup and concealers to cover up their rought spots, but once they take the makeup off at night,  it's another story....

http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-coo … d-1a.shtml

edit: wrong link

In fact raw fruits and greens take no longer then an hour to digest on average.

Passing it through doesn't mean you are digesting in.  In fact, I am skeptical that you are absorbing much at all in that time.  Cell walls in plants are very difficult for our bodies to digest, and cooking breaks them down.  It sounds more like your body is confused and passing the shit right on through.

Gotta second starling's post too (every word of it), in fact I don't really have to much to add.  Kudos.  (and for the record, raw ahi is my favorite food in the world)

Don't unquestioningly believe everything raw food proponents claim.  Many of their claims just don't match up with scientific research (like the whole enzyme claim, since like I already said, the vast majority never make it past the stomach acid).

Also, I don't think following cravings works when your body is still under the spell of powerful addictions, which is exactly what our attraction to processed flours, sugars, oils and such is.  I think the crackhead reference was actually very appropriate here.  Once our bodies are healthy and free of that crap, the urges become much more reliable and salubrious (though you still need to differentiate mental and bodily desires).

Perhaps, and here's how: You discover that fluoride isn't very safe or good for you and you discover it's in your water AND your toothpaste, and you now walk the planet "fluoride afraid". You believe in mankind's limited mind view of what it sees as it studies the effects of fluoride from the outside in (effects seen on an unaware population who also places its faith in science and the human mind, I might add). As a result, each instance of encountering fluoride knowingly or unknowingly is a hit against your health now. Why? Because you attract the damage through your fear. You believe it is harmful to you, so it is.

You've literally disempowered your body's natural ability to meet that contaminant with the inherent strength of its natural integrity by believing your body cannot handle it. Your fear of the fluoride is a belief that it is more powerful than your own inherent health that's built right into your body's cells. Your body complies with your choice because you became conscious of something and made a choice. And that choice was to fear. Freewill is upheld here. By all other intelligent life, including body consciousness.

You can also choose to empower your body by having faith and trust in its inherent ability to face any contaminant with whatever it needs to neutralize that substance's toxicity, if indeed the body even finds it toxic when left alone to deal with it. What I'm implying there is being open to the possibility that your body and that substance know each other well, and already are in harmony as their natural state of being, because THEY don't believe in separation. That perhaps they already know that your body, spirit and all matter are ONE. It is only your mind that isn't aware yet that there IS NO ENEMY except your own choice to fear.

This does not mean that you wantonly consume fluoride once you are aware it is not exactly the best thing to take in, no. But you also don't unduly disrupt your life in order to accommodate a false need to avoid it at all costs. Or start a cause and disable others by instilling fear in them as well.

Trust in life and nature. Once you are aware of something, it is important to understand how to properly apply the knowledge gained. This is wisdom. Choosing to fear the knowledge you acquire, or the implications of that knowledge, is not applying it well. This is not how knowledge empowers. In fact, choosing fear is indicative of still having enough ignorance surrounding your knowledge to render that knowledge harmful. You're not complete, in other words, with that particular lesson yet. You will know you are when you no longer fear.

And in using the word fear, it appears that a great many people don't understand what is meant. Or assume they do know, and discount the discussion because they aren't "afraid". As used here, it doesn't mean shaking in your boots, can't sleep at night, or even feeling a need to warn the world (though all of these are a certain level of fear). It means the very simple, base level of choice that goes against trusting you are always well, safe and supported.

Fear in this sense is that nitty-gritty level assumption made that there is something you are encountering (or could ever encounter) that is greater than what you're made of that causes you to feel a need to protect yourself against it lest it "win" your life away from your sovereign domain. As if... that's even possible. This is fear at work.

It is completely understandable to take that stance in this world, of course. But if you're on the path, if you're seeking truth... it behooves you to reconsider that choice at every turn. Unfortunately fearing is quite embedded in consciousness here, and often goes unquestioned, labeled "common sense" or is even championed as "thinking with a hammer".

What's real and true is that whatever you are encountering is for your benefit, and your only "job" in the face of it is to discover how that is so. "How does this experience benefit my total self?" "What is the value of encountering this idea/thing at this time in my life? What have I been focusing on in my thoughts? How have I been feeling recently? How does this encounter relate to my energies as I've been experiencing them?"

If probed honestly, we inevitably - eventually - come to realize that what we encounter outside us is a result of what was going on inside us at some level for a while. The outer encounter is a reflection for us, to learn from. Not a causal factor in our life but a result of our consciousness. The causal plane exists at the unseen level. What's seen is the result of consciousness causes. *

So you can switch to non-fluoridated toothpaste, drink filtered water, but also trust that should you consume fluoride knowingly or unknowingly, your body knows what to do so that it isn't an issue for you or your health. And most knowledge about the dangers of this or that substance is minor in importance on the path once trust in life and nature is firmly established. You literally become impervious to much.

This is so simply because you now understand the value of dangers in a physical universe. They bring about dilemmas of consciousness. They insist that you consider many possibilities, engage yourself, choose something. Through this process you are given the opportunities needed to awaken to the truth of who you are.

You needn't be constantly at their whim or mercy, however. You can master the awareness needed to be in harmony and cooperation with life in this regard. Life will watch out for you just as you watch out for your own well being. This occurs through frequency resonance. All of your exploration, discovery and choice-making alters your frequency. All life is intelligent. Everything that exists resonates to certain frequencies. You simply won't encounter what you do not and cannot attract, once your awareness is such that those lessons are complete.

Most of the fears mankind lives with daily and thinks are "common sense" are rooted in a fear of death. Face that, and you will come to understand much of what I offered here in this thread. When you have no fear of dying, you suddenly look at all of life in a very different light. You become free to finally live.

I realize that many are not up to living by these ideas put forth, but some of us do, and do quite well. They are tested, tried and true for many years. Not just theories. And if one can accomplish something in this world through self-empowerment, all of us can. It's a choice, however. A choice that demands a great deal of self-responsibility and diligence of a different order than the norm.

And so I offer them simply for consideration. Only you can say what's true for you anyway, but now there's another direction for exploration and discovery of your truth, perhaps. Take or toss, of course.

(Must be the retrograde, I've suddenly found my voice again. )

* NOTE: For those who often cite painful or traumatic experiences in early childhood before beliefs and prejudices could have formed as reason not to buy into the premise above, bear in mind that the "consciousness" of a human being entering this realm is predicated on many factors, for the purposes of learning. There are indeed "pre-sets" that produce experiences as fodder for growth. There is also the mass consciousness influences and spectrum of frequencies, which are limited, to appreciate. Once here, however, the "I" has free will to choose how that consciousness, at whatever level it may be, is utilized. Most children cannot do this as children here, no. But once they become adults, if they realize there was a set up for the specific purpose of their growth and learning, they can look back upon their childhood experiences and discover the truth of self and sovereignty just as much as they can from their current adult experiences. Once again, to do so requires making a choice to invest faith in fear or in trusting life and nature to be inherently supportive of our growth at the onset of the discovery process. In other words, choose to explore from an open stance, or choose to explore from a closed one. And realize you made the choice you did, because the results of your exploration will be based on your initial intent for discovery.

the most important thing, as far as im concerned, is to seek your inner nature.  never give in to cravings simply because they are cravings...  while once upon a time, humans could trust their cravings, now is not that time... now is the time that sorts the unconscious from the conscious.  and food is indeed part of that... because the elite ( and im totally satisfied that they know exactly how we work ) use of bad foods to take away nature's nourishments is one of the ways they can harm us without breaking the law of free will...  because we cant deny responsibility for what we eat.

a simple example of this is fluoride... it's been proven to lower IQ's, cause hyperactivity in children (ritalin, anyone?), and hypoactivity in adults and adolescents (sluggishness), and lower memory recall... 

while i believe that the power of the mind can overcome these things, we must first be conscious of them...  otherwise we could experience more roadblocks in our path than necessary...

thanks for your wisdom, though.

If you can't eat it in it's natural form because it's too hard or poisonous (Potatos, Rice, Oats, Corn, Some Flowers, etc...) then we should'nt be eating it most likely in my opinion!

Problem: most folks would starve. "Natural" foods don't produce as many calories as grains and tubers.

Meat is another problem. Uncooked "natural" meat is loaded with parasites; eat that and you'll get a whole bunch of them. Uncooked fresh-water fish is even worse; their parasites aren't adapted to mammals and will destroy your body in lots of painful ways.

IMO cooking was one of the great inventions. We get nutritious foods from products that wouldn't otherwise be edible.

I appreciate the benefits of certain raw foods. I eat a lot of home-grown sprouts and recommend that everybody try them. But raw food only diets (again, IMO) seem to be more of a cult then a rational way of eating.

The simplest easiest way to know you're eating the right diet for you is to listen to your cravings. This is your connection to what you called "Mother Nature". It's how she speaks to you. And you'd be surprised how many times the cravings will lead you to substances like fast food burgers or chocolate cake with chocolate icing, pork marinated in barbecue sauce, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches exclusively for a week...

Yeah I tottaly disagree with this.  Listen to your cravings?  Those addicted to CRACK would love your commentary...
"Mother Nature" has nothing to do with guiding you to eat fast food, and man-made cooked shit.  I mean come on...
Why would she guide you away from her precious apples, and juicy plums and into a grocery store near you, where you can find "Man's nature" killing humans like they kill cattle everyday.  Diet is responsbile for what 90% of all diseases in the world...