"Look, that guy down the hall lives alone... and he loves animals... and he actually knows some of the Constitution... let's report him, he must be a terrorist!"

Exactly.  It reminds me of this George Carlin routine:

"Look, that guy down the hall lives alone... and he loves animals... and he actually knows some of the Constitution... let's report him, he must be a terrorist!"

He he, I'm surprised they haven't arrested Moby yet.  Shaved head, made a CD called "Animal Rights," and he's very outspoken against the government.

Yeah, I bet they REALLY don't like these guys.

It'd be interesting to read some material on the idea of contract law, if anybody has any links they can post.

It's funny, I just checked my mailbox a few hours ago and the "Nutshells" book I ordered on Contract Law was in there.   Turned out to be on BRITISH law ... I thought I was ordering one on American law so I'll have to go back and double check that.   But anyway, this definitely seems to be an important subject both here in 3-D and beyond.

Yeah, I believe you're talking about these FBI flyers  which apparently came out well before 9/11:

The only problem is, the neg people in positions of authority, be it feds, police, etc. have this new policy that anybody who questions say, taxes, or driver's licenses, (and now you can add National ID card in there I'm sure) is basically a terrorist.  Somebody conspiring against the government who should be taken out.  I saw something posted, maybe here on NR, like about a year or two ago.  It showed this manual or something for law enforcement, talking specifically about "these sorts" of people.   I don't know if anybody here remembers seeing this and knows what I'm talking about? but it's very revealing.  The game is a bit rigged.  They already have their minds made up about what direction they're going, and how they view anybody who even so much as questions their policies.  "Terrorist."  Period.  (judge anvil slamming down.)   

lyra wrote:

Let's have a refresher course in what goes on in prison:

There's no doubt that you're right on all your points.   I was just thinking it might be a possible idea if enough people were willing to do it at the same time.  As in maybe a thousand or more, in an organized and planned way.   One person or even a small group would not be effective, and Zuendel does prove that point nicely.       Well, it was just a thought, anyway ...

I do get what you're saying....I'm just thinking there are way too many risks involved, to the point of not being worth it.  Also, you can never know what will happen on the outside which would render useless the fact that all those people are now locked up on the inside.  At the time when this mass organization of people goes in, life could be fine and normal on the outside, making their cause something worthy of attention to the outside world.

Until something happens, throwing the outside world into chaos.  Now, nobody gives a crap what's happening to those 1,000 people who willingly walked into prison five months back, which made it onto the news.  Life is falling apart on the outside, so it's the least of anybody's worries.  And meanwhile you're, well....still locked up.   End of story.

I have to say though that part of me is surprised to see this sort of thing actually starting to happen.  I mean, we all knew about it, I remember first hearing about things to come back in 2001.   My motto is "Only time will tell" though.  Just wait and see.  And now...here it is.  Maybe it'll fall on its face like the National ID card and TIPS did back in 2002.  That's what I'm hoping.

Let's have a refresher course in what goes on in prison:

There's no doubt that you're right on all your points.   I was just thinking it might be a possible idea if enough people were willing to do it at the same time.  As in maybe a thousand or more, in an organized and planned way.   One person or even a small group would not be effective, and Zuendel does prove that point nicely.       Well, it was just a thought, anyway ...

I'm thinking it could be effective to organize a group of principled people who are willing to flat-out refuse a specific method of control, and intentionally get themselves imprisoned on principle.  And REFUSE to be released until the law is changed.   I'm not sure how plausible that is, or what repercussions people who did that might face, but I think it's something that might be worth considering sooner or later, especially if enough people were willing to do it.

Well, have fun, but I'm not going to jail on principle.  No offense, but that's ludicrous.  Why would you purposely have yourself imprisoned when you can be free off the grid???

Let's have a refresher course in what goes on in prison:

- Craptastic "food."  And don't be surprised to find blood, urine or semen put in it by the jail workers, just for kicks.  You can kiss your health goodbye. 

- Mind control waves beamed at the prisoners.  In Jim Keith's book "Mass Control" he has a chapter regarding the beaming harassment and experimentation/torment inflicted on prisoners.  And there's nothing you can do about it.  You're locked up in your little cell behind bars.  All you can do is just stand/sit/lay there and be fried out and tormented.

- And that's not even counting the other ways in which the prison population is used for experimentation.

"Prisoner #542, get over here and take your injection!"

"What is it??  What's in it??  What are you doing to me?"

"Shut up and give me your arm."

"No!"

"Guards...."

(night sticks are pulled out of holsters, you get a beating.)

"Now, give me your arm...."

- Harassment by other prisoners.  Need I say more?  I think we all know what I'm talking about here.

- Harassment by the guards.  Need I say more?  I think we all know what I'm talking about here.

- No nature.  No fresh air.  No mountains, desert, lakes, rivers, oceans, forests, stars at night, summer rain, winter snow, autumn foliage.  No wildlife.   

- Minimal book reading, no personal computer, minimal if any internet.  But you do get a blaring TV.  Yay. 

I'd rather camp out illegally in the woods, scrounging and begging for food and handouts where I can at least be free than be in prison.   There is no principle out there that would get me to get myself locked up.  None.  There are better ways to stand up for what you believe in, and the prison system isn't it, trust me.  Let's broaden our options here, honestly.  You're not going to teach anybody a lesson by getting yourself locked up. All you've succeeded in doing is getting yourself taken out of commission.  Now the world, and the "good guys" have one less commodity working for them on their team.  What good are you doing anybody when you're locked up in a cell??  Do you think the bad guys care?  NO.  They'll actually be HAPPY that you willingly got yourself locked up and taken out of commission.  In my opinion, absolutely nothing will come of it.  You might get one newspaper article and a one minute blurb on the news and that's it.  Nobody cares.  People have to go to work, they have bills to pay and a mortgage to keep up on and mouths to feed.  They're not going to care about your cause.  You'd be that amusing anecdote they read about in the papers or on the news.

Another example - Ernst Zundel.  You read Rense, you know what the story is.  He has his loyal group of supporters and the guy is becoming a martyr for those who would be illegally imprisoned for what should be his right to free speech.  He's famous and known...more famous and known than you'd probably be.  But what good has it done?  Has anything changed?  Nope.  He's still locked up, and things are looking dire.  (if he hasn't already died...I may have missed any updates on that.)  And nobody cares. They're just glad it's not them in the same situation.

Definitely, I'm with you on this.  Not a bad idea to start planning ahead.  We're here people, it's arrived, the writing's on the wall.

Maybe the time has come to put up or shut up and start living "off the grid" totally ... or just accept the control.     It still seems very probable that the time is GOING TO COME when we WILL have to make that choice.     I'm thinking it could be effective to organize a group of principled people who are willing to flat-out refuse a specific method of control, and intentionally get themselves imprisoned on principle.  And REFUSE to be released until the law is changed.   I'm not sure how plausible that is, or what repercussions people who did that might face, but I think it's something that might be worth considering sooner or later, especially if enough people were willing to do it.