http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread11489.html

also see:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=29

Our present earth evolution comes fomr an ancient cosmos of wisdom and beauty. So fallen elementals are intelligent but can be very ugly.

in the same way, the mission of our present earht evolution is to develop Love and Freedom. So the ex-humans who will have failed this goal will turn into elementals beings gifted with morality, but acting immorally, in PARASITICAL NEED OF LOVE. Needing love and needing to be loved. It will be the first time elementals will be gifted with morality.

Some elementals, mostly of the salamander kind, Fire beings (undine=water, gnome=earth, elves=air). Fire beings look very much human, sometimes with wings. some fire beings are from the animal realm. animal group-soul are from this level.

when humans crossthe threshold of death, sometimes they are very much fragmented in their inner being, so these frasgmented pieces of Self are torn apart and go their own way: they become fire beings and exist among animals group-soul and other elementals. the elementals who ordinate nature and plants are mostly healthbringers. But the elementals who co-exists in the astral world of man and animals are retarded and they do not belong to the inner space of evolved beings like animals and humans. They have a regressive influence on this astral world. Bottom line, elementals who live in the inner world of animals and humans are dangerous, and parasitical. When they have an action on plants, they cause poisonous plants (toxic, or psychoactive...) to come to existence. 

What i wanted to point out here is: elementals who have become parasitically in NEED of us will eventually disappear because they cannot evolve spiritually this way, by feeding parasitically upon other forms of life, they do not develop the Spirit. However, this sort of elementals will disappear, yet another type of elemental will come to existence: ex-humans who will have lost their soul-spirit and become parasites in need of LOVE.

So when I listen the Song 'Just Can't Get Enough', I wonder if Dave Gahan talks about drugs or his significant other. But anyway, it points to this dreadful future when most humans will have failed their spiritual mission and regress to the stage of parasitic elemental beings.

Steiner talks about their activity in a 'time travel' fashion: parasitic immoral elemental ex-humans of the future are acting RIGHT NOW in the minds of people in HIGH PLACES, inspiring materialism, nationalism, psychopacy, and tyranny, inaugurating a dreadful hell/prisonplanet on earth. This feeds them retroactively. In a downward spiral vortex/loop.

would you be afraid of beings who DO NOT HAVE ANY ABILITIES to live by themselves?

THEY need us, but WE DON'T NEED THEM!

We should stop giving them such an importance and focus on what we can do on a very practical scale, instead of talking like victims about them.
These guys are spending such a huge amout of energy (our energy!) to keep us like that, it means they're WEAK in front of us!

Remember Gandhi freed India without fighting because he wasn't afraid to die (and wasn't afraid of English people), it's now time to do the same with our minds, refusing to work for money and greed, but for the best of everybody.

You can be on this forum talking aboutd lizards and Illuminati and at the same time working as a computer specialist in a bank;), feeding them!

I found an interesting idea on a forum, here's the adress http://www.110906stoptheworld.blogspot.com/

We are not cows, we are farmers who forgot they're much more smarter than their cows...

Bob is a parasitic entity that needs a human host because he "feeds on fear... and pleasures. They are his children". (Like Saturn-Chronos eating his children).

In the movie, this stuff is called 'Garmonbozia' and is represented by creamed corn in a bowl on a green table, in the 'black lodge'. We learn at the end that Garmonbozia signifies "pain and sorrow" stuff. Mike claims the Garmonbozia is his, so Bob takes it out of the killer's heart and drops it on the ground of the black lodge, so that it nourishes the black lodge, Mike the magician, and the red dwarf.

All through the series, you can follow the phases of the moon and see its troubling effects on humans psyche, as transfers of garmonbozia or hate/fear/egoism energy to the black lodge.

What bob wanted most is to BECOME Laura, to live through her, to taste through her mouth, etc. She sometimes gets possessed by Bob and changes radically. Bob says he wansts to be her or he will kill her. She refused, so Bob killed her, using his own crazy homicidal and incestuous father as a puppet.

- The alien hybrid breeding program - How does this fit into the picture?  It's a less proveable conspiracy, and unless you're somebody who's met what seems to be a hybrid then it could seem preposturous.  But I'm leaning heavily towards believing this is real, since I've met what I believed to be a few over the years.  But here we have the idea of culling the "natives" in order to make room for Humans v. 2.0.  (or 4.0 if you factor in Cro Magnun and Homo Erectus.   )  A more "superior" version of human that can better house non-human souls.  Human evolution as we're taught doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and it seems more likely that past versions of homonids were more like prototypes that came and went until "they" (whatever they are, aliens, interdimensionals, who knows) settled on the current Home Sapiens.  For the time being.  But we may very well be getting weeded out, yet another working prototype just biding its time until the next version comes along...thus requiring some form of "culling" to get rid of us.

- Genocide in itself is a form of mass energy feeding.   It initially seems contradictory to kill off a good chunk of your flock/herd that you rely on for both physical and energy food.....but not if you can feed on the mass negative energy that such a large amount of death would generate.   And it always does.  Genocide and all the traumas that generally go with it would provide some mass feeding frenzy for "stuff."  Almost like a special occasion banquet when you think about it.  It may be exactly why there have always been periodic wars and ethnic genocides in history.   And even killing off 500 million people wouldn't make much of a dent for them when there are billions more left in the herd to use.  And when those billions are guaranteed to keep reproducing, soon replacing the rest.   

- Different bad guys, with different agendas.  The front stage controllers, while often times working in line with the behind-the-scenes hyperdimensionals, may not always be.  With that established, I also don't think it's a case of front stage people trying to "starve out" the hypderdimensionals by getting rid of their human food source, as suggested earlier in this thread.  I think it's a case of "multiple agendas"....but not necessarily in the sense of using humans as pawns against the other agenda.   

The so-called "illuminati/brotherhood" would be in physical human form, (I know, "But David Icke says they're reptilian shapeshifters!"  Well many of them probably are...but many probable are just human.) which means "feeding on the herd" doesn't apply to them.  And it also seems that the so-called "illuminati/brotherhood" really do look down on the general human population and would love to have the planet all to themselves, believing they're better and more deserving of it and that the rest need to be rid of.  So in that case there's no contradiction about genocide vs. feeding, because they aren't hyperdimensional and don't feed.  They're physical humans simply with a population control agenda. And who knows - maybe their little population control agenda goes against some other "bad guys" agenda who wants to have humans around to feed on, but which clashes with yet another agenda to weed humans out to make room for Version 4.0.  !!

It's a weird topic because we can never know for sure what's going on here.

"Last Day On Earth"

Yesterday was a million years ago
In all my past lives I played an asshole
Now I found you, it's almost too late
And this earth seems obliviating
We are trembling in our crutches
High and dead our skin is glass
I'm so empty here without you
I crack my xerox hands

I know it's the last day on earth
We'll be together while the planet dies
I know it's the last day on earth
We'll never say goodbye

The dogs slaughter each other softly
Love burns it's casualties
We are damaged provider modules
Spill the seeds at our children's feet
I'm so empty here without you
I know they want me dead

I know it's the last day on earth
[chorus repeat]

Song by Marilyn Manson on the album 'Omega and the Mechanical Animals'. Actually, it was written by Zim Zum, the guitarist on this album, who is also a kabbalist. Zim Zum resembles Tsim Tsum or Tzim Tzum, which portrays God as inhaling at the moment of creation, diminishing himself to make room for the universe. The retraction and contraction of God before the explosion of ceration. TzimTzum is above all Sephirots.

I know it doesn't make a lot of sense in the thread, but the idea of mechanisation tending to chaos and destruction reminded me of the album Mechanical Animals, the song Last Day on Earth, which is one of my favorites on the album. I don't take Manson's gang for valid and worthy kabbalists, but I used to love listening to some of MM songs and listening to the trashy yet somewhat intelligent lyrics.

The chaos forces tend to get hold on things in our society because we fell for the fallacies of science physics, with its mathematical, quantitative, numerative, its mechanical clockwork laws. This mechanical artificial and abstract order is bringer of death, and chaos of destruction is taking hold of civilisation.

Well put, it seems to me that the scientific method and it's rigid model, however valid on the 3D level, has been used as a tool  to to keep some of the best minds from thinking past it and perhaps actually experiencing other dimensions rather than theorizing their existence. Not to sidetrack, though.

Great Thread!

SM

Captain, the natural function of chaotic forces is to make space for new life to develop, destroy . Living force is neither chaos nor order, both bring death.
Rigid order is dead, fixated, not moving, dead.
Chaos and fragmentation that destroys life is also bringer of death.

Life forces imbue life forms with life and animate them. Balance is needed between death forces and life forces.

the true sense of chaos is 'stellar dust' or 'prime undifferenciated black matter'. Out of this is brought cosmos, order. If this order becomes rigidified, it has to die and be reborn from chaos. Phoenix like, passing through forever-death and forever-resurrection. Being re-order on a higher level of consciousness, given life, the  dying to itself, being reborn on a still higher level of order and coherence, cnosciousness. In nature, life-forces are the consciousness imbuing all nature, filled with elementals, but this sort of consciousness is relatively 'aspleep, compared to men, not to speak of angels, who are wide awake while we are in profond, deep sleep. All relative.

The chaos forces tend to get hold on things in our society because we fell for the fallacies of science physics, with its mathematical, quantitative, numerative, its mechanical clockwork laws. This mechanical artificial and abstract order is bringer of death, and chaos of destruction is taking hold of civilisation.

This can be seen as the chaos that brings the death which promises a new resurrection on a higher level of consciousness... or not if you are not fit to graduate.

assumption 4:

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It seems to me, that  the synthesis of all 4 points comes close to the truth.

From Montalk's Cassiopaean quote-

Just my 2p's worth...:)

the Princeton random number generator experiments lose randomness preceding major disasters.

signature of STS higher density denizens.

In such times, chaos forces gain the upper hand. It's the subnature realm of subatomic forces. Very powerful. But anti-life and anti-ego. It's pretty much chaotic forces intent on destruction and killing. There is intent behind chaos, and it's anti-human and anti-life.

Sensible chaos is different, it makes etheric currents and forces recognizable in natural manifestations. Beautiful shells, resonating with phi proportions, etc.

But, chaos theory is opposite to PHI life giving currents. Chaos theory is only a science of the lifeless, of the chaotic forces, of what destroys. It's natural function is to make spae for new life to develop. But when they turn loose, they can be unstoppable, only life-giving higher spiritual forces can heal and generate life, and man can channel these into nature again, since chaos forces are gaining the upper hand on nature (destruction of ecosystems, etc.).

Behind these 'blind' forces of chaos are 4D beings intent on destroying body, life, soul and ego. Fragmentation of everything. It feeds STS, which coheres with this destruction intent manifesting in chaos forces.

Montalk you mention how during a major disaster there seems to be hyper-D involvement.  I think you are aware of the fact that the Princeton random number generator experiments lose randomness preceding major disasters.  I was wondenring if this was because at those moments the timeline was being manipulated by the Hyper-D's to get their outcome.  Using 911 as an example, the first plane barely hits the tower, so they go back a couple minutes in time and adjust the planes course, again another miss.  They go back and adjust again until both planes hit and everything works flawlessly.  A metaphor for the alteration would be the deja vu phenomenon as explained in the movie the matrix.  Only in this instance the outside interference with the matrix is detected through the noosphere rather then deja vu.

Also, this from the Cassiopaean material came to mind:

In other words, according to this they always feed on us just to sustain themselves, but they need an extra boost  for the 3D -> 4D transition to allow them to "overtake us" and thereby be in proper position to control us afterwards. They get this boost through the mass culling and suffering of billions. I noticed that when a major disaster in the world happens with huge loosh energy output, things everywhere else get more abrasive, hyper-D attacks increase, as though they have more energy to do their thing. So even now, that idea of extra energy = extra power seems valid. Therefore a loosh bonanza during apocalyptic end times would allow them to outflank population sectors that manage to pop into 4D and perhaps hyperdimensionally squeeze them into submission.

To make a clumsy analogy, it's like they are underground dwellers who know how to climb, and we are just flatlanders living  on the surface plane, but we will soon acquire the ability of vertical motion to climb up mountains or down into the underground -- so if they can gather enough energy to climb out and meet us on the way up the mountain, they can play the welcoming committee and make us follow them down into their underground. At least, that's my guess of an interpretation.