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			<description><![CDATA[<p>what do you all think about &#039;etheric projection&#039; vs. &#039;astral projection&#039;<br />i hadn&#039;t ran into etheric projection much, but it is purported that etheric projection is valid for seeing real things happenining on the physical plane, whereas astral projection is more based on the astral planes/ spirit worlds and not as stable for seeing things on the physical plane. <br />it is a bit confusing because i was under the impression that the etheric body couldnt (or shouldnt?) detach itself safely from the other bodies (primarily the physical). what about those stories of a sort of &#039;spiritual umbilical cord&#039; that doesnt let the etheric go too far? but it does sort of make sense that the etheric body is more bound to the physical world, as it is a mediator between the astral and physical bodies.<br />i would be interested in your thoughts on this.<br />montalk, can you recall any steiner literature where he may address these two closely related forms of projection?</p><p>thanks and blessings,<br />z</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Well that is an interesting story, and I will never get any of these remote viewing cds or brain entrainment tapes, I don&#039;t think. Personally, I&#039;ve had paranormal and OBE experiences for years, but the appeal of the remote viewing is to be able to train and control it, but it doesn&#039;t sound like you can in that way, either. Since the ethers or nearworlds as they are sometimes called are already blending in to 3-D, I am in no hurry to go out to them, but I would like to be able to manage myself around hyperdimensinal beings and to ward off entities and such.<br />It is dangerous to merge energy fields with other dimensional beings, and I certainly do not want to seek that out. Basically remote influencing seems like you invade another&#039;s body and that there is a rebound effect from that which is not very pleasant. I wonder if all of these people and companies who sell all of this training and brain entrainment realize how much damage they could be doing to people who experiment with this stuff and then either get their nervous system fried or pick up entities or even become possessed and so forth. It seems like the airwaves are now clogged with everybody doing everything woowoo that there is to do and that this is a major probelm. I&#039;ve had my psychic space invaded by unethical remote viewers and I can say that it is a major violation, I try to do a prayer every day that says that every line of remote viewing is closed to any attacker or energy. Thanks for sharing the story-lala</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I had been meaning to reply to this topic for a while now but had been putting it off.&nbsp; As a former &quot;student&quot; of the Academy of Remote Viewing and Influencing&nbsp; I can give you my take on the experience. It is run, as far as I can tell, exclusively by Gerald O&#039;Donnel, a clever name with the acronym GOD (only found the acronym part a few years later in NR chat).&nbsp; He has an Eastern European accent, and while I&#039;m not saying he couldn&#039;t have had an Irish Father, it just seemed phoney &amp; weird.&nbsp; If you check out his writings they are pretty new agey with a strong sentiment towards monotheistic religions of the mid-east (Yahweh, New Jerusalem, etc).&nbsp; It seems that he did tap into something (he calls it &quot;the One&quot;) with some relatively interesting information regarding the &quot;dark matrix&quot; and the nature of light,&nbsp; but there are definate STS overtones and intent (seen in it&#039;s marketing/course content).</p><p>I first found the course after I had initially woken up to the NWO side of things (late 2003), and nothing could have properly prepared me for the time until now.&nbsp; I bought it through a loan from a friend since I couldn&#039;t afford it and I was really desperate to become the One and totally rearrange my reality and live in a YCYOR utopia, woo! <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/cool.png" width="15" height="15" alt="cool" /> --&gt; <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/sad.png" width="15" height="15" alt="sad" /> I should have heeded the signs early on but I didn&#039;t know then what I do now....</p><p>- A day before receiving the course I had noticed from my window a woman on the street corner screaming that the world was ending and that there was going to be a lot of pain.&nbsp; I naively thought she needed my help so I decided to &quot;assume&quot; her form and start affirming that everything was ok.&nbsp; At the point that I most felt connected to her she &quot;magically&quot; stopped screaming and just stood there.&nbsp; Little did I know at the time that I was majorly violating her free will, with magic no less.</p><p>- The day I got the notice slip from the post office to pick it up...the slip went missing.&nbsp; I asked another person home at the time where it went and we had both agreed that it was right on the couch a few minutes before.&nbsp; I ended up finding it a few months later under a shelf in the adjacent room.&nbsp; Perhaps the cat grabbed it and stashed it there when no one was looking....</p><p>Later on I took both of these incidents as signs that this course wasn&#039;t all it was cracked up to be.&nbsp; This mystical seer lady that ran the store below the apartment told me the next day that what I did was a mistake due to free will being messed with, that I was moving too fast on my newfound conscious spiritual quest. I later realized that she was right and that I was not ready for such spiritual fast-tracking.</p><p>In the period I was doing the course I did have some obvious psychic and astral phenomena take place, but once again, I don&#039;t think it was necessary to experience but still acted as major catalyst for a more proper application of my learning into growth.&nbsp; </p><p>1.&nbsp; I RV&#039;ed my friend&#039;s dream (the friend that helped me purchase it).&nbsp; I had been listening to one of the tapes and had just decided to go sleep when I got this clear image in my inner vision of a white car with 3 big rust holes over the right front wheel.&nbsp; I was able to move around the car and see it from different angles.&nbsp; Later I talked to him about a dream he had at the same time of day I was seeing this image.&nbsp; His dream involved him and some people looking for a white car for some reason.&nbsp; The car may have been symbolic of the path we were moving into, who knows....</p><p>2.&nbsp; I had come home early from my night shift job at about 5 AM.&nbsp; It was still dark out and I went to &quot;sleep&quot; right away.&nbsp; A short period later and I consciously awake in my sleeping body.&nbsp; At the time...</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>to Mr. O&#039;Donnel, I wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>As I was falling asleep yesterday I decided to see if I could consciously go to the edge of delta and remain there for as long as possible.&nbsp; When I was sufficiently deep, I attempted to turn my ethereal body around so I was facing my sleeping body.&nbsp; Then I decided to go UP!&nbsp; When I thought this, I was immediately shot up for what seemed like a couple of seconds.&nbsp; I then asked what my probable future 5 years from now is and was immediately &quot;whisked away&quot; to what seemed to be my future dwelling.&nbsp; I could from that point think of whatever situation I wanted and it was there for me to view.&nbsp; I was almost able to fly around in this state.&nbsp; When I woke up only about a half hour had passed but it had seemed like hours.</p><p>What I want to know is what it was I was experiencing?&nbsp; When I first &quot;shot up&quot; I thought I was having an OOBE, but right after that my experience was more akin to a lucid dream (BTW, the most vivid dream I have EVER had). <br />Is it possible to combine these two types of states?&nbsp; Are they mutually excusive?&nbsp; I&#039;ve never experienced anything quite as real as this in my mind that I can remember.&nbsp; I would greatly appreciate it if you could give me your opinion/explanation of my experience.</p></blockquote></div><p>This experience did a lot at the time to verify to me a lot of the research I was doing into spirituality/metaphysics.&nbsp; Also, I was later told through a friend of a &quot;seer&quot; that I had come back from that trip with an attachment of some form. The incident with the lady on the street while &quot;wrong&quot; at the time provided me great catalyst for polarization in the proper respect of free will.</p><p>I stopped doing the course as it was hard to do it during the day, which is when (after my night shift) I would normally listen to a tape and then sleep.&nbsp; Shortly after I stopped I came across <a href="http://www.cassiopaea.org">cassiopaea.org</a>&nbsp; (and through it montalk.net and NR) and I was officially on my way to &quot;transcending the matrix&quot;.&nbsp; I had discovered the ideas of STO and STS, free will, true reality creation, etc...&nbsp; All the info and development from this point on (and somewhat just prior) seemed to fall into place perfectly once I made the intentions at the beginning to activate my quest, refining through greater specification later on to work more efficiently and balanced.</p><p>I think the course itself is benign if you have the proper level of awareness to counteract the programming and safely navigate the higher realms, but at that point it may not even be &quot;necessary&quot; to do the course at all.&nbsp; The most important and remaining teaching of the course for me was the idea of the One and that I was naturally the One as well and could affect it simply through thought and being.&nbsp; Having that paradigm shift early on in my quest was extremely helpful to me and allowed for a straighter path, though still covered with lots of roadblocks.&nbsp; Another thing I found useful from the course was the knowledge of the brain wave cycles (beta, alpha, theta, delta) and that you could program yourself to enter them at will in order to tap into your subconscious and through it your superconscious self.&nbsp; The only protection taught was the typical incomplete new age love and light shields.&nbsp; At the time I thought it coud allow me to do all this magical stuff like winning the lottery and attracting all the right stuff (AKA stuff my ego puppet wanted).&nbsp; Turns out I did end up learning how to create reality and become the One but most of that came after trying the course (that I never actually finished).&nbsp; By now maybe I could dust them off and go through the course and learn powerful techniques in a balanced way but something (and some people) advise me against it.&nbsp; I&#039;d rather learn in a pure way rather than fast, way easier to navigate the rough seas.</p><p>Anyway, that&#039;s my personal take as a former &quot;student&quot; of the &quot;Academy of RV/RI&quot;.&nbsp; Overall I would say it&#039;s a waste of money for the more aware seekers out there, but is very powerful, and in the hands of the spiritual neophyte it can be very dangerous.&nbsp; Ultimately it was very beneficial for me as growth catalyst but others with uniquely different constitutions may be overwhelmed by its effects.&nbsp; There are cheaper and more balanced approaches out there to learn how to do the same stuff without this former government RVer led Academy&#039;s methods of entrainment.</p><p>Cliche, but...If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52164#p52164</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I got the impression that he is using &quot;Psychotherapy&quot; tongue-in-cheek, as in he knows what he is doing is dangerous, his intent is not malicious, he takes full responsibility for being there, and he doesn&#039;t assume in some naive way that everything out there is warm and fuzzy, his shield is bascially broadcasting &quot;don&#039;t mess with me because I know how this stuff works and I will use force to repel any attempts to mess with me,&quot; that then becomes the responsibility of any attacking entity. He doesn&#039;t have a false spiritual compassion for all beings that makes you dead meat in the astral world (here too, now).</p><p>I am almost done with the Morhouse book <em>Psychic Warrior</em> and one thing that stands out from that, whatever people think of the guy personally, is that etheric travel on a regular basis messes up your nervous system and can eventually drive people nuts, even if they are grounded in a belief system, as his handlers warned him about. He was a Mormon, and from what I&#039;ve read in other things the military likes to have Mormons for mind control projects because they already have such a strong set of controls on their minds. He picked up a lot of psychic debris from merging with the suffering, pain, death and torture of others because of the stuff he was intructed to view. You know that that can&#039;t be good in the longterm. You would think that if the army was using all these psychics and channellers with tarot cards and spirit guides, that they would know enough to have people cleared etherically on a regular basis. It sounds, though, that the more a person is in the intelligence part of military stuff, because it involves lying and deceit and spying, the more dark attached stuff they have on them anyway even if they are not in a psi program. His experience sounds like a total nightmare and it seems to have aged him prematurely, too. Also, he experienced the etheric world through his mind, and then processed it through his mind when back in body. Surely, there is a better way-lala</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 18:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, lala.&nbsp; I was impressed by the guy&#039;s sincerity too.&nbsp; He&#039;s laying some<br />really strong truths out there.&nbsp; There was even an article about women<br />and their rules of engagement.&nbsp; Dangerous information in the wrong hands.<br />I think he removed the article due to its volatile implications.<br />But the guy really seems to know a lot about all the psychic warfare stuff.<br />And I also do sense that he has an ethical compass.<br />I don&#039;t pretend to understand all of his charts and lists.&nbsp; Gets very <br />hard to follow in some places, probably because of some simple principle<br />he&#039;s applying that I don&#039;t understand. Yet.<br />I get the impression that he thinks sending psychotherapy to your <br />attackers can deflect their intent if used properly.&nbsp; <br />TP</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52102#p52102</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I have read almost every article on that vikingremoteviewing site; it is in the links for the montalk site. I found it excellent! I find the guy&#039;s (E. Meadows, I think) writing: really, accessible and sincere, and funny. I would love any additional feedback, comments or insights on that site and that particular focus regarding RV. The guy is obviously a rouge Remote Viewer who has some kind of really strong inner ethical compass and knows how to protect himself without going all scientific or military about it. One thing I don&#039;t understand though, is his format for deconstructing hostile attacks, and some of his other lists-lala</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>There is some very good thought provoking information about remote viewing<br />on this website:</p><p><a href="http://www.viking-z.org">http://www.viking-z.org</a></p><p>It&#039;s called Viking Remote Viewing and Psychic&nbsp; <br />Self Defense</p><p>This guy gives you pointers and plenty of heads-up<br />warnings.&nbsp; Also talks about alien hive minds and how us humans are unpredictabe to them due to our creative faculty.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52094#p52094</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#039;t know if it is too late to pick up this thread again, but coincidentally I was looking at the <em>probablefutures</em> website and wondering if the courses would be any good, and then also today I was at the Libary looking for the <em>Fire Within</em> by Castenada, which they didn&#039;t have, but they did have the <em>Psychic Warrior</em> book by Morehouse which someone mentioned on another thread on NR.So, I thought that I would start a remote viewing thread, but then I did a Search first and came up with this page/thread! <br />Druid, Lipstick et. al. you are right on, and, <br />one things about the probablefutures sight is that the guy says that there are no subliminal messages recorded underneath the content, and also he says that it is spiritual by virture of the fact that it is the same techniques yogis and the ancient mystery schools have used for centuries etc. etc.,<br />but while he act like his intent is higher purpose, the testimonials, of course, include people who have used it to win at gambling casinos and the stockmarket. I think that this is always a tip off to these sites, they start out saying that they are warriors against the dark side, and then they tell you how to use remote viewing to win at gambling and get the man/woman of your dreams, etc. A different site that starts out like that even tells you how to create astral sex slaves. Possibly remote viewing causes people to go insane at some point. Many &quot;yogis&quot; I&#039;ve known have certainly been off the wall.<br /> (Only yogi I think was an avatar of the Light, seems to be Yogananda, and he promoted Christ consciousness).</p><p>The thing that is attractive about the <em>probablefutures</em> website is that they supposedly give you brainwave entrainment tapes that get you into alpha, theta and delta waves quickly. Why is this attractive? Because the &quot;other side&quot; knows how to, through low frequency sound and etc., induce those states on the public and people, so I want to be able to keep up with what they can do to my mind by knowing how to go out and in to those states myself. That is my rationale for being interested in remote viewing. I&#039;m pretty sure that I was put into an alpha-state trance during a series of cult channelling experiences, and I&#039;m pretty sure they, or someone there was generating low frequency, rapid cycle sound (or something). Thing is anyone can go on the internet and get all the latest in New Age technology (radionics, sound and light generators, hypnotherapy CDs, psychotronic generators and forth). And anybody is. And the stuff works, but people are not using the psi technologies to heal and raise their vibrations, they are using a lot of it to get money, sex, and stauts.<br />Probablefutures also sells an even bigger &quot;remote influencing&quot; series, where you can learn to &quot;remote influence&quot; i.e. win out over the competition in job interviews, attract the mate or whatever of your choice, get people to give you things, etc., etc. So, I ask you, do we always have to be on the defensive with all of this stuff? As in praying and putting up shields to keep hostile remote viewers, psychic attack, psychic predation and so forth out of our field? What do people see as the proper way to proceed. I have also been a professional psychic and now I don&#039;t really even want to think of myself in that way. I&#039;d like to use my psi powers for healing of some sort, but I am too weirded out by all the reiki, hypnotherapy, shamanistic, etc., &quot;healers&quot; many of whom are open relay stations for ehteric garbage. Not all, but a lot of New Agers don&#039;t believe in the dark side, which makes them perfect OPs.<br />Yours truly, lala</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>LipstickMystic wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>So I wanted to throw that out there - that if you can find someone to teach you shamanic journeying or if you can find a program that will do that, that might be a potential path for you.</p></blockquote></div><p>I agree with LipstickMystic here. And if you can&#039;t find a teacher then I can really recommend this book which I&#039;m currently in the middle of reading:</p><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Singing-Soul-Back-Home-Shamanic/dp/1859061036/sr=1-1/qid=1168456092/ref=sr_1_1/105-5781797-2678010?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books">http://www.amazon.com/Singing-Soul-Back … mp;s=books</a></p><p>It&#039;s called &quot;<strong>Singing the Soul Back Home</strong>&quot; (cool title!!) and it&#039;s a really good practical guide to shamanic practices.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Ayahuasca)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hmm..yeah I&#039;ve thought about remote viewing or astral projecting, whatever you call it. I went to an introductory class for what they called &quot;Dreaming and astral projecting&quot;, which they said started with you becoming lucid during a dream, then forcing yourself &quot;out of the dream&quot; until when you can see your body. I spoke with the people, around 6 of them, who were apart of this group for quite some time after, and they seemed to be pretty cool. But, when I was leaving, I had dual-ear ringings...like a highpitched, non-locational ringing noise as soon as I walked out of the door.<br /> That freaked me out. Something about it seemed like they were recruiting those who showed to have some skill at lucid dreaming.<br /> Also, I have another story. When I posted a lucid dream I had a couple of weeks ago on NR, within that day, I get a private message from someone on a forum. But guess what? I&#039;ve NEVER signed up for this forum. If you&#039;re interested, it&#039;s <a href="http://www.dreamviews.com">www.dreamviews.com</a>. So it seems I&#039;m being lead to these different groups, yet all of them feel &quot;weird&quot;, as if there&#039;s a negative purpose behind them.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Seeking,</p><p>Yes, I had looked at the grillflame forum briefly and saw that thread that mentioned some of my articles and also mentioned other fellow who has posted some pretty cool stuff about the potential dangers of Reiki -- I definitely sensed your good energy in there somewhere!&nbsp; And there were some other cool people contributing on that forum, too.&nbsp; So it wasn&#039;t all &quot;icky.&quot; <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>But the energy beneath the forum carries this weird dark ripple of energy that I&#039;ve come to associate with the dark government/yucky stuff, and I worry that people with perfectly innocent curiosity about learning basic scanning and basic clairvoyance are going to get recruited, set up, and otherwise &quot;sought out&quot; by whatever folks are behind this stuff.&nbsp; Like, if you belong to that forum and if someone acts incredibly, suspiciously friendly to you and PMs you and poses as a fellow spiritual seeker, you should probably use caution!&nbsp; Not that you wouldn&#039;t, anyway. You know what I mean!</p><p>One of the basic things I&#039;ve worked on with people who want to open up psychically and spiritually is to suggest that they just do as much meditation as possible on connecting with the heart and connecting with love -- whether it be love for others, love for Great Spirit/the Big Cheese, or self-love.&nbsp; Self-love can actually be a HUGE healing tool that clears out the cells and DNA and degunks the chakras. We have SO MANY layers of self-imposed guilt, self-judgment, and so forth that often cloud our abilities to tap into that Higher Power.&nbsp; A lot of people have told me that by finding their own way into accessing this feeling based energy, they have gone &quot;online&quot; with the psychic stuff pretty easily and comfortably and quickly.</p><p>A lot of classes can be more mechanical in nature, using aggressive techniques to force open the third eye, and that&#039;s where I feel people get into trouble.&nbsp; The whole idea of &quot;weaponizing&quot; psychic abilities is, in my opinion, way, way off!&nbsp; But developing them to heal, to perceive more, and to connect with a power greater than yourself that can rejuvenate, sustain, and enlighten -- that&#039;s way cool!</p><p>You might find that shamanism is something that resonates with you -- learning to do a shamanic journey by doing simple drumming or rattling, sitting upright but in a relaxed state, can teach you how to access many types of wisdom from the inner planes. There are is AMAZING array of love-based beings available to help us with so many things.&nbsp; And it&#039;s all about a journey back to love, to purity, to a state of clarity, that innate place that is deep within us that connects to the Divine.</p><p>So I wanted to throw that out there - that if you can find someone to teach you shamanic journeying or if you can find a program that will do that, that might be a potential path for you.&nbsp; </p><p>The other night my honey was fighting off a cold and I got the sense that I needed to do a little healing on him.&nbsp; I&#039;m always &quot;in the moment&quot; with this stuff.&nbsp; I invoked Spirit and opened my heart and did the laying on of hands things like I often do.&nbsp; To my surprise, an &quot;army&quot; (really just a big group) of amazing Native American women were there with me instantly, conveying the most incredible feelings of love, grounding, and support. They were there to help him balance out his female energies. They told me (the way I &quot;hear&quot; is through a sort of clairsentience, a full-bodied knowing, not the typical audio &quot;channeling&quot; that many people do)....that because he&#039;d been doing a lot of meditation lately on releasing negative emotions and what not, connecting with the more female and emotional aspects of his being, that this was stirring up some energy clouds and minor stuff that needed to be released, and normally the fastest way for the body to release something is through a cold or a fever.&nbsp; But if you can get into the energy and release it before it manifests as a full-out cold, you can do the release without getting sick.&nbsp; </p><p>So they brought through me this energy vibration of great female energy, it felt very &quot;grandmother&quot; or &quot;crone&quot; and wise, and I brought that energy into him. And his cold went away the next day.</p><p>Over the years I have learned to build &quot;friendships&quot; with a variety of love-based beings from different realms, and there is this amazing group of Native American &quot;spirit runners&quot; who do a lot of negotiation and healing for psychic people if they ask them for help.&nbsp; They are attuned to the Earth so beautifully that they are really helpful for grounding, like if you&#039;re feeling spacey or whacked out from living in your head too much.&nbsp; It&#039;s always a wise idea to make an offering to them out of respect and thanks for their help, so I like to offer tobacco or cornmeal at a special tree nearby that is a powerful vortex connecting to the ley lines here in New Jersey.</p><p>Anyway, for some reason I felt like sharing that small episode with you -- I have no idea how your own personal psychic gifts and talents will evolve as the process is unique for everyone, but shamanic techniques can be very useful and healing.&nbsp; </p><p>And by the way, through shamanism, you also learn to clear out and identify really &quot;STS&quot; negative entities like predatorial discarnates who are stuck in a person&#039;s energy field and draining their energy, demonic entities who need to be cleared out, and various linkages to negative ET groups. There are definitely &quot;good guys&quot; and &quot;not so good guys&quot; in the etheric realms, so it&#039;s important to work with a teacher initially if you can find one you like.&nbsp; Or just proceeding carefully and gently on your own, using discernment, taking notes, etc. I wish I were set up to teach this stuff full-time because I&#039;ve found that shamanic work is a SUPER cure for a lot of serious bodily ailments and mental ailments, and I believe more people can benefit from it.&nbsp; But if you have some questions, maybe we can set up a different thread about shamanic healing.</p><p>Anyway, that&#039;s my two cents for the day!&nbsp; Best wishes to you on your path,</p><p>LipstickMystic</p>]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Druid, thanks for that very long, involved post. I just got up so it&#039;s a bit heavy for me now, but I think I got the jist of it...</p><p>Hi Lipstick!!</p><p>See, girl, THAT is exactly why I&#039;m concerned about doing the course. I had read your story before and it freaked me out, like: I don&#039;t really want to go thru what she did!!!&nbsp; </p><p>And as far as the Grillflame forum: I don&#039;t go there much anymore. Everyone just seemed so strange and disconnected. Although they all think that they are ONE. Just weird. But I do occasionally go there to see if anyone has pm&#039;d me.&nbsp; The other day I went and saw a post about yoga and such being bad for you, so I just had to read that one, because I had read your post here about Reiki people (I&#039;ve had my own reiki incident, BTW).&nbsp; So this post is giving links to your website and also a link to the post here about Reiki. I thought this person was really cool to point out the dangers of yoga and such.&nbsp; But then there were several people who responded saying that yoga is fine and that they thought you were putting out disinformation. Well, I don&#039;t post there anymore, but I just had to that day!!&nbsp; I gave them my two cents worth, and nobody has posted anything afterwards.&nbsp; I hope that some of them will get the message. </p><p>And the whole thing with that forum name...grillflame...hello!!&nbsp; That is a military operation!!&nbsp; AAAAGGGGGHHHHH:o</p><p>Oh, and with the CD: I listened to it at night on my son&#039;s CD player--no headphones--but put it on the loop. I did that for like 2 nights. The second morning, it sounded really weird when I woke up, like it was skipping or something. Thankfully, I did not do what I was supposed to with using the headphones. So hopefully, no real harm was done. </p><p>While I&#039;d like to heal other people, the point of me learning the RV was so that I could heal myself. I didn&#039;t feel comfortable with the RI part of it.&nbsp; I don&#039;t want to influence anyone. I guess the thing that appealed to me was being able to connect to my higher self. I have had doubts that I would be able to do this on my own. I guess it&#039;s just a matter of practice in going inside myself quietly. </p><p>I&#039;m not really worried about not using the tapes and losing out on the money. It&#039;s just money...I mean, I&#039;m not rich or anything, but I&#039;d rather throw them out if it&#039;s harmful to me rather than just listen to them for the sake of not wasting money.</p><p>Thanks, all, for your input. It is greatly appreciated.</p>]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><strong><span style="color: red">R V Alert:</span></strong> </p><br /><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://forum.noblerealms.org/img/avatars/1176.jpg" alt="http://forum.noblerealms.org/img/avatars/1176.jpg" /></span></p><p>Fear is Failure and the Precursor of Failure. It is also the Breakfast of Parasitic Champions.</p></blockquote></div><p>Just finished that Vonnegut book yesterday (1-9-07) !</p><p>Read 1st time ~ ‘77.</p><br /><p>And <strong><span style="color: blue">Primo Paraphrase Z_T</span></strong></p>]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The remote viewing techniques as taught by the military industrial complex are Luciferian in nature - i.e. using very STS if not demonically &quot;amped&quot; up energies.</p><p>More importantly to the innocuous spiritual seeker who gets interested in studying with any of the remote viewers who have gone public, they ARE actively recruiting psychics and tracking them from mailing lists, forums, and so forth.&nbsp; Also sometimes they directly trying to recruit people in private practice doing psychic work. And if the psychic refuses to get with the program, these guys have no problems killing them.</p><p>I was a psychic counselor in private practice for years when David Morehouse of the Stargate CIA remote viewing program tried to recruit me through a chief of police friend of his who was in a north New Jersey town. Morehouse wanted to meet with me during a trip to New york City, God knows why, I had never met him and although I did read his book I did NOT particularly like the vibe I got off his material or life story. No heart chakra in any of it.&nbsp; All weirdness and shadow.</p><p>The chief of police guy friend of his started to get extremely aggressive with me on the phone and kept calling and calling in this insane way for about a 48 hour period after first catching me on the phone and making his pitch. His pitch was that Morehouse now had a company and did remote viewing for corporations. (Uh huh. Like IBM regularly hires remote viewers. Whatever <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" />&nbsp; And they were supposedly interested in me after I contributed an article that got published in a New Jersey holistic magazine.&nbsp; I had stupidly listed my business line and contact info with the article.</p><p>Anyway, interestingly enough, right before I received this weird series of recruitment calls from the police guy acting on behalf of Morehouse, I had a wonderful precognitive dream --- in those days my dreams tended to be extremely &quot;on&quot; as far as predicting stuff. In it two wolves were standing in front of me with fake smiles on their furry faces, and they were wearing these weird costumes made of what looked like sheep&#039;s wool.&nbsp; And they were saying, &quot;We&#039;re sheep, we&#039;re just sheep, that&#039;s right, we&#039;re sheep.&quot;</p><p>I woke up from the dream going &quot;What was that?&quot; And then I parsed it out.</p><p>Two wolves in sheep&#039;s clothing.&nbsp; Hmm. Sounded like a very clear warning about somebody headed my way who was going to try to pass himself off as a nice fluffy sheep but who really had fangs! </p><p>Right after that the policeman got in touch with me and tried to cozy up to me with what was initially just &quot;shop talk&quot; but which quickly turned into exerting pressure --he got all scary-sounding on the phone and insisted that&nbsp; I had to meet with Morehouse RIGHT NOW in the next 24 hours because he was only going to be in New York briefly.</p><p>I picked up on the weird vibe around those two and figured out they were the &quot;wolves in sheep&#039;s clothing&quot; my dream had alerted me about. So I started telling the police guy off and very firmly stood in my power about how creepy and nonspiritual the whole government remote viewing program had been and how I didn&#039;t want to have anything to do with them.</p><p>After that phone call, that night I felt myself being aggressively &quot;scanned&#039; while I was just quietly sitting at home watching TV.&nbsp; It was like fingers of death running down my spine, very creepy and cold.&nbsp; I knew it was Morehouse and his pal checking me out, trying to check me for vulnerabilities. I tried to psychically shield at that point and summoned up all the righteous anger I had in me.</p><p>The next time the police guy, whose name was Dennis, called, I let him have it. This was the next day. I yelled at him about the psychic violation, told him I was going to call his superiors and report him for harassment, and basically told him to $%&amp;* off. He deserved it, too, because he was already leaving threatening messages saying I&#039;d better meet with him and Morehouse &quot;or else.&quot;</p><p>After that I didn&#039;t hear from him again.</p><p>But it wasn&#039;t long after that that a black clad man appeared suddenly in physical form in my bedroom in the middle of the night (I was a 28 year old single woman living alone in a third floor apartment in a quiet building.)&nbsp; He had some kind of instrument in his hand and he beamed out a black stream of energy right into my heart from where he stood towards the end of the bed.&nbsp; He was only there about two seconds and then he was gone.&nbsp; I had other lights on in the apartment and that&#039;s why I could see him clearly.&nbsp; Couldn&#039;t see his face, though, but he was dressed in all black clothing without symbols or any distinguishing markings.</p><p>When the black energy hit me it was like an electrical shock that went right into my heart, and my heart stopped, and I had a bad heart attack.&nbsp; I quickly summoned up all the spiritual power I could access in that brief instance, and I can honestly thank the archangel Michael (real angel, not an ET, specializes in protecting spiritual warrior types) and Jesus (real being from a loving level of vibration that we humans can barely begin to comprehend, not an angel but pretty darned close) for saving my life.</p><p>I had no health insurance and didn&#039;t want to bankrupt my parents with a hospital bill, so I basically left it up to God whether I was going to stick around or not.&nbsp; </p><p>The next two years I had debilitating chest pains so bad that I could barely work or do anything. This forced me to learn lots of underground healing and psychic self-defense/cellular repair techniques culled from a variety of underground teachers to heal myself.&nbsp; Two years later I could finally get insurance and felt completely well but went in for heart scans and ultrasound and all that stuff and no scarring or damage was found to my heart at all. To this day, the old ticker is fine.</p><p>For the record I do NOT think that my pissing off that chief of police and his buddy Morehouse and the attempt to take me out using whatever weird technology that black clad guy used on me are unrelated.&nbsp; The events happened pretty much in sequence. I pissed them off, the guy in black was sent in to silence me.</p><p>I would tread very, very carefully around the remote viewing stuff. </p><p>I would throw out the CD&#039;s which are probably already embedded with hypnotic sequencing geared to turn you into a MILAB victim.&nbsp; And stay away from the grillflame forum.&nbsp; Some visitors from there have been coming to my website and every time they do, this cords me in to the energy of that place, which feels EXACTLY THE SAME as the creepy vibes I used to get when I was talking with the real remote viewers guys.&nbsp; Don&#039;t mess with it, please.</p><p>And if you want to develop psychic ability, you already know how. True psychic wisdom can only be gleaned by connecting with a subject through the heart. When you bypass the heart and use only the third eye or the ajna (right below the third eye, this is what remote viewers use,) you&#039;re not accessing things in a love based way. You&#039;re accessing information in a way that is felt as violation by the recipient.&nbsp; </p><p>And speaking as a former love and rainbows, white lighter chick who was forced to learn hard core survival techniques through this life-changing negative series of events started by an attempted recruitment by remote viewers, I&#039;d have to say, I&#039;d love for you NOT to go through what I went through.</p><p>If you&#039;re new on the forum, I&#039;m Jennifer Shepherd, aka the Lipstick Mystic, syndicated columnist and owner of the website <a href="http://www.lipstickmystic.com">http://www.lipstickmystic.com</a>.&nbsp; Check out my vibe to see if what I talk about resonates with you. I&#039;m a real person, not a government plant or wacko <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" />&nbsp; But I&#039;m completely honest about the real stuff that I have seen and experienced, that&#039;s my way. I don&#039;t believe in pulling punches about dangerous stuff.</p><p>So please be careful. If you want to be a healer, all you have to do is tune into a &quot;patient&quot; through your heart and whatever you need to do will be revealed to you in its own beautiful, perfect way. That&#039;s not channeling from something outside yourself. That&#039;s accessing the innate wisdom contained in your own cells and in your own unique spirit spark.</p><p>LipstickMystic</p>]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>As for remote viewing or directed second sight, I quote Steiner from Initiatory Knowledge: &quot;<br />Jacob Boehme would be a solar type of clairvoyant. He could push aside his own self and enter into the &#039;thing in itself&#039;.&nbsp; Here&#039;s how second sight works: look at something, a shadow for example, and deliberately push aside the sensory impression. What is left when the sensory impression is pushed aside? what remains is the spiritual (manifesting itself in an etheric image). This is the process of second sight. Druids have done this kind of work in the past, tasting the nuances of the shades of the shadows of the sun-light as projected by their dolmens, in Stonehendge for instance, in different period of the year, according to their own astrological calendar. With stronger and more systematic efforts, possibly with egotistic or fallacious motives, it becomes remote viewing. Using spiritual powers to serve oneself is a path leading ultimately to black magic. </p><p>If I feel I am sensing what something else is sensing in another part of the planet, this is second sight (RV), even though it does not necessarily involves the sense of sight. Every other sensory organ can be involved in remote viewing.&nbsp; People who live in monasteries often do a lot of remote viewing, because they are litteraliy &#039;remote&#039; from the world, in mountains, in the country. Paracelsus had this gift of second sight, but he melted this visionary faculty with intellectual formal knowledge, with enhanced his capacity of knowledge and his healing herbs and metals discoveries. He developed therapeutics through his imaginative power. This is eminently solar, it is linked to Inspiration, but in a slight ataviastic/retarded way.&nbsp; Saturn type would be Swedenborg, with his gift of knowing truth and falsehood in the same way we differentiate warmth from coldness. He gained this atavistic power through sexual abstinence, with is a non-developemental way of aquiring powers... i.e. this is abnormal powers, and his rigourous discipline revived atavitsitc powers latent in him self.&nbsp; Finally, a lunar type would be somnabulistic. Normally, dreaming should not be followed by actual muscle movements, but in the case of somnambulism, the muscles are not paralysed in REM dreaming, and thus the person is influenced by moon forces taking him upside and walking. Taken away from gravity forces by the levity attraction force of the moon. Imaginations are given through moon influences, atavistically, it becomes fanciful fantasy and imagination, followed or not by somnambulism.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><br /><p>--</p><br /><p>Concerning the duality of clairvoyance, here&#039;s some precisions from my point of view:</p><p>Steiner distinguished two kinds of clairvoyance. The first one is one that occurred naturally in everyone&#039;s past lives. This is the old clairvoyance. Today it is an atavistic phenomenon. There is also some heredity principle behind that. Everyone was in his past lives, a clairvoyant, that is we saw the beings of nature which are invisible to us today, we were living beside masters of wisdom and also beside luciferic spirits. In Atlantis, ahrimanic demonic beings entered the scene - they tempted Atlanteans into black magic. There is some atlantean atavistic clairvoyance retained in shamanism (a siberian-mongol name for the phenomenon of trance involved in magical-medicine performance). Mongolis retained the qualities of Atlanteans to preserve atavistic clairvoyance. This sort of shamanism is frozen and rigidified. It is now no more than a parody of the ancient hyperborean wisdom. </p><p>It is awakening again through efforts in this sense by anti-grail lodges using military and secret governement agencies. Atlantis is being reinitiated.</p><p>In the times of the ancient clairvoyance, people used magic and drugs and exctatic practices to gain contact with the spiritual world. This is no longer possible to reach the spiritual way in a healty way by using these means. The new clairvoyance cannot rely on the powers of the blood, of heredity, which are of an atavistic nature.</p><p>In the past, Gods revealed themselves through visions and extatic experiences. Today, everything akin to vision is pathological. The old clairvoyance has fallen into demon&#039;s hand. they manipulate us by re-enlivening the atavistic clairvoyant faculties in our blood. </p><p>For example: visions from past lives are more often the result of possession than a real reliving of a real past life of our Ego. Also, Grays often talk telepathically and show images of ecological catastrophies or induce visions. They crawl into our mind by the door of atavistic clairvoyance. Parallel to ufo investigations, CIA programs also develop remote viewing and mediumship. They do this inspired by Grays and other so-called ET beings. Chips often induce sleepy hypnoid states. It is most often in these states between waking and sleeping that the so-called Et engage us in encounters or abductions.(By the way they aren&#039;t extraterrestrial at all. Everything on earth, including ourselves is linked to the cosmos, so that&#039;s nothing to worship them for. They are intraterrestrial but from a realm that we should call the Anti-Earth, or Hades). </p><p>Most atavistic clairvoyants reject logic. It is merely because they will loose their &quot;power&quot; if they do learn to think logically, with their own Ego. The ultimate proof that atavistic clairvoyance is useless is that we do not remember our past lives, where we were clairvoyants. But someone who developed his thinking to imbue it with will, and vice versa, imbuing his will with thinking, develops his Ego so that in future lives he will be able to remember clearly his past lives, without relying on misguiding visions.</p><p>Everything involving visions, hallucinations, from subtle hypnoid states, remote viewing (intentional second sight), to downright profound trance, are pathological symptoms of atavistic clairvoyance. the normal state of consciousness is drawn downward, the mid gets sleepy and delves into the unconscious (with its dangerous forces of the metabolism and complexes - demons - and so on). Spiritism and mediumship is equally dangerous, involving some sort of black magic. People who accord credit to mediums and their claims are relying on a misguiding autority that is a counterforce to the development of the Ego. One looses his will by becoming a clairvoyant. the person is in danger to get lost in the eighth sphere, which sucks everything in its shadowy existence (the moon is the counterforce of the 8th sphere, the realm of Lucifer and Ahriman).&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><p>Shamanism relies on atavistic faculties of the body. Demons manipulate this sort of clairvoyance, but they cannot misguide us if we are trained in logical thinking to recognize the illusions coming from visions, premonitions etc.</p><p>The new way of clairvoyance is developed by following a discipline in thinking, to reach the spiritual through sensefree thinking - a thinking that goes beyond the mere phenomenal appearances analyzed by the brain, a brainless thinking. Brain-bound thinking is the materialistic way of thinking, and by the way interest in spiritual can be utterly materialistic if one does not meditate to go beyond the brain experience of sensorial impressions. </p><p>But, seen from another side, we must rely our knowledge on direct experience, not visions, hallucinations or shamanistic practices. These produce a knowledge that is highly biased by the perceiver.</p><p>Me must avoid ‘objective occultism’, that is using occultism like a mere tool without understanding the involvement of the subjectivity of the Self in it. Also we must avoid the ‘subjective mysticism’, in which oriental theosophy and New Age like to dwell:&nbsp; rapture in extatic and mystical but fuzzy blurry state. A mystic is lost in the world of Ideas. A Spiritual scientist tries to go beyond the threshold without getting sleepy or in any &quot;altered state&quot; of consciousness. They for the new clairvoyance is not to get the mind below the threshold of ordinary day-light consciousness. This way we only get to know Under-nature, or Subnature, the under-earth squirming with locusts and ufos and demons of technology. We must get above the ordinary consciousness, not under. We move our way upward through sensefree thinking, by liberating thinking from the brain, by meditating without getting sleepy. We have to go beyond the mere sensory impressions to encounter the phenomenon as a whole. The phenomenal world is not illusion in itself, we make it into an illusion by clinging to it. The phenomenal world is natures open secret, that awaits our (re)discovery, not through atavistic practices but through the development of the Ego, capable to encounter the whole world of phenomenon as an expression of spiritual beings. In sensefree thinking, we encounter spiritual beings in Images that we make by ourselves, by concentrating upon it. People who get visions receive them independently from their conscious activity. It is imposed on them: that is a pathological symptom. Self-made imaginations are the key to sensefree thinking and (re)connection to the spiritual worlds and beings. We must learn, for example, to collaborate with nature invisible beings, in biodynamy or art. Not the ancient way of Nature&#039;s gods pagan cults, nor through shamanism.</p><p>what I exposed is a way of knowledge inspired by Goethe and furthered by Steiner.</p><br /><p>Examples of atavisms: spiritism and deuteroscopia (second sight in space primarily, but also in time) hidden behind prescient thought-feelings. According to Rudolf Steiner, in...</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Materialism and Spirituality: Life and Death, Berlin, February 6, 1917. From Cosmic and Human Metamorphoses (GA 175) Lecture 1. <a href="http://steinerbooks.org/research/archive/cosmic_and_human_metamorphoses/cosmic_and_human_metamorphoses_1.htm">http://steinerbooks.org/research/archiv … oses_1.htm</a></p><p>&quot;We must be quite clear as to the fact that when a man passes through the gate of death, the human individuality is at first for a short time, enshrouded in the astral body and etheric body; and that the latter after a more or less brief period – varying in different cases, but never lasting more than a few days – passes out into the etheric world and there pursues its further destiny; so that the individuality enters the Spiritual world with the astral body only, and continues its further wanderings in that world. The etheric body is severed from the human individuality just as the physical body was on earth. Now we must clearly understand that in Spiritualistic seances, – and the whole work of Sir Oliver Lodge is based on these, – only one who has real knowledge is able to distinguish whether the communications come from the actual individuality, or only from the cast-off, forsaken etheric corpse. This etheric corpse still remains in continual communication with the individuality. Only, when one gets into connection with the spiritual world in a round-about way through a medium, one comes in touch with the etheric corpse first, and so can never be sure of reaching in this way the actual individual. It is certain that there is in our age a striving to find for Spiritual existence some sort of proof such as is found by experiments in the laboratory, something which can be grasped with hands and that one can see before one in the world of matter. Our materialistic age does not care to follow the inner path the soul must take in the Spiritual worlds, the purely Spiritual path. It wants the spirit to descend into the material world and be discovered there. We are experiencing all kinds of materialistic Spiritualism, a materialistic turning to the worlds of the spirit. Now, it is quite possible for the etheric body, which has been separated from the actual human individuality, to manifest a certain life of its own which, to the uninitiated, may easily be mistaken for the life of the individual himself. We must not think that the etheric body when given over to the etheric world only manifests reminiscences and recollections, mere echoes of what the man passes through here; it manifests a real continuous individuality. It can relate incidents and say quite new things, But we should be going quite off the track if we thought that because a connection is established with the etheric body, we are necessarily in connection with the individual himself. It is very possible in the case of people sitting in a small circle – all being members of the family as was the case with the Lodges, all thinking in one way or another about the dead man, and all filled with thoughts and memories of him, – that their thoughts may be conveyed to his etheric body through the medium, and that this etheric body may occasionally give striking replies, which may really produce the impression of being spoken by the individuality of the dead. Yet, perhaps, they may only proceed from his etheric corpse. Those who are acquainted with such things actually find this to be the case, and when Raymond Lodge was supposed to come to his family through the medium, in reality it was the etheric corpse speaking; Raymond Lodge had not really held communion with the circle at all. <br />(...)<br />It is remarkable that such a learned man as Sir Oliver Lodge, who was for so many years interested in the subject, although in this case he was specially interested because it was a question of his own son, yet should not have known what has often been referred to in our Spiritual science, when giving descriptions of the atavistic forms of clairvoyance, which appear as presentiments. For this is none other than a very special case of Deuteroscopia. The case is as follows. <br />We have a medium. To this medium the Spiritual world is in a certain respect accessible; of course, as we know – through atavistic forces – such mediums can in their vision reach beyond space, but not only does their so-called second sight extend beyond space it also extends beyond time. Let us take a special case; one quoted hundreds of times. You may read descriptions of it, if you have not experienced it yourself through your acquaintances. <br />The case I mean, is when some one who has that tendency sees as in a dream, half in vision, his own coffin or funeral. He dies a fortnight afterwards. He saw in advance what was to occur fourteen days later. Or perhaps, one may see not his own funeral or coffin, but that of a complete stranger, an event to which the dreamer is quite indifferent. To instance a particular case, one may see oneself leaving the house and falling from horseback. This thing did occur – someone saw that happen, and tried to avert it, – but, notwithstanding all precautions, it still came to pass. That is a case of a vision extending in time, and what Sir Oliver Lodge describes is precisely this second-sight in time. His descriptions are given so accurately that it was possible to investigate the case. The medium through her forces was able to see an event still in the future. At the time she spoke, the photograph was not there; but it arrived a fortnight later, or thereabouts. It was then shown round to friends and relatives. This happened some time after but the medium saw it in advance, it was a prophetic vision, a case of Deuteroscopia. It was a pre-vision; that is the explanation. It had nothing to do with a communication between those on the physical plane and one in the Spiritual world. <br />You see how greatly one may be misled by striving to give a materialistic explanation of Spiritual circumstances in the world, and how blind one may be to the actual facts; such a vision is, of course, none the less a proof of the reality of a world behind the ordinary world of sense. The case is an interesting one; only it should not be quoted as proving a connection between the dead and the living. We must seek for the dead – if indeed we should or ought to seek for them at all – by following a really Spiritual path. In the near future I shall have many things to say on this subject; for it is my intention to give much consideration to the subject of the relation between the living and the dead.&quot;</p></blockquote></div>]]></description>
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