Lyra, your book "Chasing Phantoms" showed how much you've learned and grown by being pounded on by negative crap for years.

Okay, well, that has nothing to do with anything going on in this thread.     Bringing up my background, which has nothing to do to with anything is to "let me know" that you know about me and to try to gain some sort of leverage, upper hand, whatever you want to call it, in this dialogue.  That's why it's the first sentence in your post.  Try to create that "leverage" from the get-go so that whatever points you make afterwards will be accepted.  And it's why it doesn't connect to anything that comes after, although I can imagine that you'll say that you were just trying to use an example that I would recognize of something negative actually being "positive."  But the fact is, you could have used a million other examples.  So why that one?  Come on now. 

Unfortunately, that was the risk I knew I was getting into when I wrote the "Appendix" section.  It would be brought up in NR conversation, and not in a positive, constructive way, but as a form of leverage.  So congratulations, you're the first to do it.  Didn't think it would actually happen but, here you are.   

No to what exactly?

Lyra, your book "Chasing Phantoms" showed how much you've learned and grown by being pounded on by negative crap for years. It's not that I'm disagreeing about the sound of jets; I don't like them blasting overhead when I'm trying to sleep. It's that StarCat believes technology is useless and an abberation in our growth; I believe our basic ability to _comprehend_ has been increased because technology gives us the chance to see new relationships (such as my pov in flight) in this world.

Babies may (or may not) have previous-life knowledge but they learn from their experiences here in 3d land. Tech gives us more experiences, good and bad, then we would have had in a non-tech world.

No. And here's why...

No to what exactly?  I'm agreeing with SC's observations about the loud and unnatural nature of the noise of jets.  You disagree and then go on to give some example about seeing the earth from the pov of being up in a plane, as well as my quote about how living near jets paid off down the line in a conspiracy, tongue-in-cheek sort of way because it enabled me to tell that we weren't looking at F-15s like the newspaper had reported.  So I guess I'm not quite getting your point/connection.  I assumed that very few people would actually think, "I disagree!  The loud ruckus of jets and man-made craziness is music to the ears!  ahhh, so relaxing and peaceful!"  But apparently you are, so, who knows.  To each his own.  !

(and not that it ultimately matters....the sun is still heating up and the comets are still coming.    haha)

The sound of Technology is frightening....

Oh, yes. Have you ever watched a baby the first time s/he is on a train? Usually crying, sometimes screaming. Don't just look, try to empathise with them. To a baby, it's not a moving vehicle, it's the earth shaking violently and repeatedly.

No. And here's why...

That's the key benefit of technology. Not the cute toys, certainly not the arrogant power given to the human ego, but the new concepts; the ability to consider things in new ways that people who haven't lived with tech can't do. About a month ago I was on a jet; as we flew higher I was able to see more and more of the Earth below. How the land, the rivers, the forests were laid out. How people lived on that Earth and how they had changed it.

When we took off I turned to my companion and said "Nothing holding us up but science." She smiled.

For me, I used to live Orange County CA back in the 90's, and the sounds of El Toro Marine Base were a familiar background noise.  You just got used to it.  There were always jets flying overhead, and ESPECIALLY during the air shows.  You'd be driving through the streets of Lake Forest/El Toro/Mission Viejo/Laguna Hills/Irvine and the jets would be flying in formation and doing tricks and maneuvers over the streets.   It was actually kind of cool.  It wasn't cool in Ft. Lauderdale though.  The city would turn into a madhouse during their annual Air and Sea Show.  Horribleness, all the way.  Traffic backed up on both Oakland Park and Commercial Blvd., everybody rushing to the coast, people parking their cars several miles from the beach and hiking with their families in the crazy Florida heat toting coolers and lawn chairs, shuttle busses everywhere.   You literally had to just stay inside during those few days and wait til it was over.  !   It was nervewracking watching these jets doing all their maneuvers right over all the condo buildings that lined the beach and over the crowds and beyond into the city itself.  Dangerous.  They finally decided to move it to Miami...then we left Florida anyway.  haha   Back in California though it was a different story...there had actually been crashes, and I witnessed one of the about-to-crash jets in 1992 while taking a walk in Mission Viejo.  I had the intuitive "tug" to look to the right, where I saw one of the F-16's probably flying really low in the distance, barely over the treetops from my vantage point miles away.  I thought, "pull up.....you need to pull up!  pull up!" because I could see that his angle was all wrong for how low he was flying.   When I got home it was all over the news that the jet had just crashed at the air show.

But I will say this.....living next to El Toro for years before it closed got me familiar with the two main types of fighter jets that typically flew in and out of the area.  The F-15 and 16.  It came in handy when I was up in Portland in 2001 and there was an "anomalous incident" that happened one night, where basically, fighter jets were scrambled at about 8 p.m. going after something near Portland International Airport.  I mean, it was scary......these jets were whipping around in super tight maneuvers over the neighborhoods of north Portland where we lived, actually looking like they were going after something.  It was right after 9/11 so everybody was freaking out, out on the fire escape and street looking up and watching this.  Well the next day in the paper there was this crazy story/explanation for what was going on.......TPTB claimed that these jets were A) F15's, and B) had been scrambled to go after a private plane that had supposedly gone off course and was reported as flying around near downtown.

For starters....they weren't F-15s.  I'm a girl, and even *I* could tell the body difference.  My brother was like, "Those weren't F-15's, those were HORNETS."   So, they lied about the jet type, even I had visual proof about that.  Secondly, it later emerged that the private plane in question was an antique wooden plane with cloth wings or something and which had left at like, 4 in the afternoon, taking off for Washington.  When these "F-15s" were scrambled at 8:00 pm. the pilot was already landed in Washington...and sitting at a table with friends eating dinner.   When he later found out that he was being blamed as some culprit for whatever was going on in Portland he was just mystified.   

So yeah, living near jets for years paid off down the line.    The whole official story was bullocks, as they'd say in "V" but who knows what was really going on.   I suspected they were chasing after a UFO, since we'd once witnessed two of them hovering over PDX.  Who knows though.

Jet fighter aircraft are about as yang imbalanced as one can get, serving warcraft agendas that are cooked up elsewhere, they are like a soaring erect phallus seeking ever more oil, destruction, control and domination. The spell of Tek comes with a high price.

Yet one day, they will no longer fly because the elemental underpinnings that allow the Tek to work are coming undone.

Thank the Godforce and the collective will to move on to better things.