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			<title><![CDATA[Re: your Apple computer may be watching you]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=50398#p50398</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I have some rationalizations. Yes the Apple comes with a built-in mic and camera. I think about all the hoops I can try to jump through to ensure my privacy. But if you&#039;re using technology, at some point in the chain you&#039;re probably trusting some element beyond your knowledge or control. I reach a point where I think it&#039;s too much worry for negligible gains. If reading NR and watching conspiracy vids and complaining about the state of things with my friends is such a huge crime, they can come drag me away to the camp if that&#039;s going to be my destiny. Besides I think there are people/entities out there who can scan my energy field or even read my mind and whatever is going on inside me is laid bare as an open book. At some point I just say screw it, yeah this is what I was thinking/said/whatever, got a problem with it ____? Tough. Why should I care or be all embarrassed if some cop is stuck with the boredom of watching me? Oh no. I just don&#039;t want to go out of my way to make it easy for them.</p><p>The *nix based O/Ses are considered pretty safe to use. Sure Apple (OSX is built from BSD unix) could have added some hidden surveillance mode. I folded up a little piece of paper and covered up the camera+mic. I probably won&#039;t be attaching debugging tools anytime soon trying to detect a theoretical hidden spy mode any time soon. Microsoft allegedly had implemented NSA backdoors into Windows in the past. And I&#039;ve read speculation that they have put some intentional security holes in the system for the purpose of backdoor spying. Acer recently was accused of <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/08/0515200&amp;from=rss">bugging their laptops since 1998</a>. And I&#039;ve read sites claiming other laptop makers like Dell have installed key-logger chips in some of their products. Then there is the prevalence of wi-fi and blue tooth enabled devices. Someone could intercept your wireless keyboard. Supposedly some researchers have been able to discover data by recording the sounds of the typing on the keyboard to reveal passwords IIRC.</p><p>Then if you run pre-compiled binaries and closed source software and O/Ses (Microsoft and Apple by default), you&#039;re forced to trust the people who made it. Then you can argue well I&#039;ll go install linux and compile the damn thing myself from all open source code so that there can be some independent verification that there are not back doors in the code. But then you&#039;re still trusting that someone out there is watching. Or would you do it yourself? Examine 15 million lines of code before you compile it? And some of the back doors are sneaky written by clever people and actually get past watchful eyes on occasion. So I think it can become impractical for people after some point to be too worked up over it.</p><p>At the moment I have a little bit more confidence in the security out of the box of the Apples (vs the average Windows+PC). I think if someone really wants to know what you&#039;re doing, especially if they have the resources of the government behind them, especially if they are from a secret woo-woo faction or agency, they&#039;ll figure out a way to find out. I still feel a measure of comfort with the thought that I could just install linux and give up OS X, but then again, there could still be something lurking at the hardware/BIOS/Firmware level in order to circumvent the O/S, with the shrinkage of silicon, availability of cheap memory, it&#039;s getting easier to hide that sort of thing in commercial products if someone wanted to do that. And how many people would even open their box and look for it? Which also reminds me of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing_Platform_Alliance">Microsoft&#039;s Palladium TCPA initiative</a>. Where all the hardware level stuff is pretty much locked down and communication is authenticated and encrypted, so who knows what your system is doing. I don&#039;t know how much of that will find its way into Apple&#039;s stuff, but on the Microsoft side of things it seems clear to me that they&#039;ve declared war against the user and are intent on setting boundaries that make your PC no longer a computer and more like an appliance such as your TV...</p><p>But one cool thing I found inside Safari is a realtime spell checker that corrects me as I am typing this post. So even if my grammar is horrible, my spelling should be much improved...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=50389#p50389</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>About audio surveillance, well yeah, and Apple had built in mics (or, really, mics that were bundled but not built in) with their machines AGES ago, probably one of the first computers to have it.<br />I can understand people thinking the Apple products are all cool and all that... But after looking into it, they definitely are &quot;big brother&quot; connected some way or the other - there is no way to avoid that absolute fact. The signs are plenty.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 02:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=50046#p50046</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I was being deliberately paranoid; I don&#039;t really think they&#039;re watching you... now. But the &quot;panopticon&quot; society is described as a goal of the NWO, cameras are getting cheaper and smaller and fiber optic internet, with enormous bandwidth, is coming soon. If &quot;total surveillance&quot; is secretly implemented future modems may be programmed not to show such uploads.</p><p>I&#039;m more cautious about _audio_ surveillance. Does your computer have a built-in microphone? Since it&#039;s been acknowledged that NSA is already using computers to scan for key words in overseas telephone calls (they never ever do it with local calls, oh no, never <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> ) how easy would it be to remotely turn on the microphone of a &quot;person of interest&quot; and listen in? Or just have everyone&#039;s mikes on all the time and scan for keywords?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 00:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=49987#p49987</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t see what the problem is... this is still in the early stages, not already mass produced so its not like your brand new 24&quot; iMac is watching you now. The patent application is less than a year old, so maybe they have a prototype. Future technology, future paranoia, worry about it then.</p><p>If anything the technology to be paranoid about now in macs is the iSight.&nbsp; Don&#039;t have iSight or some other camera connected to your mac? Then all you have to worry about is the &quot;normal&quot; hacking. Learn a little bit about computer security and a decent amount of Unix and you can take care of that yourself.</p><p>And as far as covert manufacture and implementation of this.... the US government couldn&#039;t afford to pay any corporation to do this, and the corporation isn&#039;t going to do it for free. It&#039;s just not cost effective for either to try.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 21:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=49976#p49976</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Both Microsoft and Apple are to be &quot;watched&quot; (as they try to &quot;watch&quot; us). In some ways they seem like another version of the left-right dichotomy in politics. Same face, different masks. The logos more or less betray them and their origins/funding. The MS Windows logo incorporates the numbers 13 and 33, the Apple logo is an apple with a bite taken out of it, Re: Adam and Eve and the Apple - tempted by the snake into biting into the apple. This is really a quite strange imagery to select for a company logo. Originally, the Apple logo was multicolored, rather similar to a rainbow - another sign of occult iconography (and the Windows logo have a couple more points that could be mentioned as well). And when it comes to &quot;OS X,&quot; i just see more symbology in that, X - or, cross - is also an important symbol (X marks the spot and much more.</p><p>In essence, this tells me that both MS and Apple are quite clearly involved in the more &quot;all-seeing&quot; side of things, to put it like that. And even if Apples machines may be more user-friendly, that does not (necessarily) translate into the whole business of Apple, its underpinnings and its goals, being equally as friendly. Quite a common tactic to present something ominous as being &quot;your best friend,&quot; a kind face, and all that. MS of course deserves at least the same level of scepticism, if not more.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=49939#p49939</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I just got my 1st Apple Mac a couple days ago. It&#039;s a 24&quot; iMac and I can say as far as computing experiences go that I am in heaven right now. It is so much better of an experience, and I just got a virtualization program running called Parallels so I can run WinXP inside it if I need a PC app to run still. I&#039;m mentioning all this because I&#039;m totally happy and excited about the Mac and OS X, and because of that to say don&#039;t let this article be an excuse to say Apple is bad or worse than other available options if you are buying a new system.</p><p>For this display technology, I&#039;m one of those paranoid types and this bothers me, but once the tech is out there, it will get adopted and copied regardless of patent and IP laws around the globe. If they can do it cheaply and consumers don&#039;t revolt against it, it will become ubiquitous. And like in the case of RFID, it doesn&#039;t matter if consumers don&#039;t like it, they&#039;ll just implement it covertly instead.</p><p>One thing to keep in mind, this goes for the cell phone as bugs also, if someone covertly enables a feature like this, it will have to transmit data, and that&#039;s something you could detect if you are alert. You can watch for network activity when there shouldn&#039;t be any, look for wireless connections, etc. You can be sure consumers will be provided an &quot;off&quot; switch to make them feel comfortable, but it&#039;s probably safe to assume there&#039;ll be a method to to enable it in stealth. I would bet also then that tools to detect and circumvent this will pop up. There will be an ongoing arms race of counter-measures etc like always. I bet there will be options for the paranoids to be sure to defeat this sort of monitoring.</p><p>Another thing to mention is Open Source operating systems, such as linux or FreeBSD. They are full of eccentric paranoid security freaks who are educated and knowledgeable on security. If something is going to read millions of micro-sensors and assemble it into useful surveillance tech, it will have to have software to do that, and hardware drivers, and probably video drivers built into the O/S, there will have to be a bi-directional data path to the video and all that will need software to run. At least in the open source community, there will be people looking over the source code checking for that sort of funny business. It gets scarier if the drivers are somehow locked down and no source is released (like nvidia drivers for linux currently are). Apple&#039;s operating system OS X is based on FreeBSD and in general from what I&#039;ve seen so far I think there is much less to fear from Apple than from Microsoft.</p><p>Maybe it will come to putting the computer into an isolated room with a plain background behind the display and covering it with a sheath and then unplugging it, when you&#039;re not using it. But then again I think we&#039;re already to the point where privacy is pretty much an illusion any more.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 02:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=49933#p49933</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Orwell&#039;s telescreens are a reality, it seems.&nbsp; &nbsp;I wonder if something like this might be manufactured and deployed covertly, so that you could have one of these 2-way monitors and not even know it.&nbsp; &nbsp; My LCD monitor has a built in USB hub and card readers, all of which interface with the PC via a single USB 2.0 cable from the monitor to the PC.&nbsp; &nbsp;If the monitor had a built-in camera functionality, then the recorded image could easily also be reaching the PC and from there transmitted to the monitoring agency via classified hooks built-in to the operating system.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 01:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=49929#p49929</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>They do, but awareness/knowledge protects... <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /><br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.jeffbots.com/hal.jpg" alt="http://www.jeffbots.com/hal.jpg" /></span></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 00:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=49919#p49919</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>All those nutty paranoids think their computer is watching them. Well guess what...<br /><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/blog/invention/2006/04/apples-all-seeing-screen.html">http://www.newscientist.com/blog/invent … creen.html</a> <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/yikes.png" width="15" height="15" alt="yikes" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2007 17:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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