I thought the "Obsolete Man" twilight zone eposide was thought provoking, especially considering it was from 1961.  It might make me a beginner, but I don't feel I'm above such content, and thank you for posting it.  A couple quotes specifically struck a chord:

Obsolete Man (played by Bugess 'You're A Bum, Rocky!' Meredith):
"I'm a human being.  I exist!  And if I speak one thought aloud, that thought lives!  Even after I'm shoveled into my grave."

Narrator, epilogue:
"Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of man - that state is obsolete."

Definitely along the lines of a "V for Vendetta" circa '61.  Remember that V was an idea (thought).

cheers

We don't know who comes here, they may be teachers, cops, politicians, lawyers...there might even be some people who visit this site who are still like this:

Morpheus: The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

While it's definitely true that people are going to be at different levels of awakening, the thing you have to realize is that not all forums are created equal.  NR isn't just another forum dealing with your average conspiracy/metaphysical topics where regular people wind up who are still "hopelessly dependent on the system" and who "will fight to protect it."   

Message board forums can be divided into Beginning, Intermediate and Advanced in terms of the level of subject matter they cover, and it's safe to say that NR is Intermediate to Advanced.  Again, yes, definitely, people are going to be at different awareness and awakening levels, but people who've read Montalk's articles and now want to meet others of like mind in his forum are going to be at a different level than your average message board forum.  The mere fact that this is a forum that's attached to the Montalk site - a site that covers some heavy duty concepts, above and beyond your average conspiracy - is a filtering process in itself.  It means the people who arrive here are usually not going to be people like the ones you keep describing in this thread, and your other thread topics. 

The vibe I'm getting from your posts is that you're ranting about things to let off steam, for personal reasons; you're fed up and frustrated by what you're seeing of the every day people around you.  And that's understandable.  I think we all can relate to the mentality you speak of.  Yet at the same time, it comes across as if you seem to feel that the people of NR are also as hopelessly asleep as the people you know in your life, and that they have a need for you to rant and rave at them and wake them up.   

Proto had a good suggestion to peruse the forum first - see what sorts of topics are being discussed.  Get a feel for what NR is all about, who the people are, and more importantly......where we are in terms of what we know.   In general, are we a group still hopelessly asleep and struggling to become aware of even the most basic sheeple conspiracies, with a need to be ranted at and berated?  Or are we a group that's got the basic awareness of all this, and now is looking to network with like-minded people and transcend things?

We don't know who comes here, they may be teachers, cops, politicians, lawyers...there might even be some people who visit this site who are still like this:

Morpheus: The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

Whenever someone joins or visits NR forum, they should read the "Read First" section. Even though I've been here for some time, I still look at those guidelines, search topics to whatever I may have on my mind and spare others the topics that have been already discussed. Hope that helps. Take care.

skyblue wrote:

Someone please explain this madness to me?

It sounds like you pretty much have it figured out.  No explanations really needed.

skyblue wrote:

To put it another way:

America is the NEW WORLD ORDER, if you want America to win; you want the NWO to win...

And you are also evil! If you choose to follow the state, what happened in to the main character in this show is your destiny...

Well, you're kind of preaching to the choir with this forum.  I don't think anybody here needs to be educated.   The stuff you're discussing here, and in your other thread for that matter, is "level 1 awakening" I guess you could call it.  People usually come here to this forum because they've already gotten to this point, not because they need to be woken up and shaken out of a stupor of believing lies and deception.  And once here at this forum, they usually want to know, Where do we go from here?  What now?  What next?  Where's the next level?  What's the next veil we can pierce here?

We don't know who comes here, they may be teachers, cops, politicians, lawyers...there might even be some people who visit this site who are still like this:

Morpheus: The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

Someone please explain this madness to me?

It sounds like you pretty much have it figured out.  No explanations really needed.

Well, you're kind of preaching to the choir with this forum.  I don't think anybody here needs to be educated.   The stuff you're discussing here, and in your other thread for that matter, is "level 1 awakening" I guess you could call it.  People usually come here to this forum because they've already gotten to this point, not because they need to be woken up and shaken out of a stupor of believing lies and deception.  And once here at this forum, they usually want to know, Where do we go from here?  What now?  What next?  Where's the next level?  What's the next veil we can pierce here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4eFblS2 … mp;search=

Please notice that the guy who is sentenced to death continues to pledge his alliagance to the state right up to the point he's put to death. If you choose to follow the state what happens in this show is your destiny.

This reminds me of the fact that American soldiers will continue to "fight for freedom" even though Americans now live in a dictatorship.

Not only that, the majority of the people will continue to support America, the most unspeakably wicked country in the world, right up to the point that they are taken away to concentration camps!

Someone please explain this madness to me?

To put it another way:

America is the NEW WORLD ORDER, if you want America to win; you want the NWO to win...

And you are also evil! If you choose to follow the state, what happened to the main character in this show is your destiny...