Peace (not drunk..can spell),
wynderer

Space drug dealers? Nonsense illogical for me...
There is a class B fiction movie with that theme
The space drug dealers do not have much clients as they
harvest very little humans, even the cattle is not much for
a harvest operation...

Hi Tom,  I have reflected on what both you and Lyra wrote, and it is true that I disrupted the flow of a thoughtful discussion. And was coming from emotions. I do not take criticism well (at age 59 I am still learning how to be a grownup), but, because I respect both you and Lyra, I thought and prayed about your accurate observations.

I didn't respond back, just let the thread be so it could get back on track, only to log on this morning and see this:

Where'd that come from?   You'd think I must have said something in between the previous post and this one, but I didn't.  Guess I'm missing something here.  Although I'm actually not really interested in finding out.

http://www.crowdedskies.com/human_mutilations.htm

The photos are quite gruesome and I did not include them. I think rense covered the story also.

"As with animal mutilations the human mutilations appear to be happening globally. The best evidence to date has come from Brazil with some convincing if gruesome photographs of a human mutilation, which have been obtained from, police files. Although authorities the world over appear to be united in their desire to keep the whole thing covered up, not all are as sophisticated as the Americans and British, and fortunately for the whole field of research into UFO-related deaths and mutilations, these Brazilian pictures have found their way into the public domain. The mutilated body of a man was found near the Guarapiranga Reservoir in Brazil on 29th. September 1988 and as a matter of course photographs were taken of the corpse. A police technician, Sergio Rubens, later gave copies of these photographs to his cousin, Dr Goes Rubins, who he thought would be interested, in the way the corpse had been mutilated. Appreciating at least partly the significance of the pictures, Dr Rubens showed them to a friend, who he knew was interested in ufology. She immediately recognized the similarity of the wounds to those she has seen in animal mutilations.

When the police were approached for more information, the head of the investigation, Dr Cuenca, surprisingly opened his files: an incredible stroke of luck not just for the original investigators, but for all of us battling to get this subject into the open. Among the papers in the file was the original autopsy report, written by forensic pathologists who had no previous knowledge of mutilations. There were many striking observations.

    1. Although the victim had been dead for forty-eight to seventy-two hours there was no sign of being eaten by animals or starting to rot, as would be expected.

    2. There was no smell.

    3. Bleeding from the wounds had been minimal.

    4. The lips and flesh from the face had been cut away.

    5. The eyes, ears and tongue had been removed.

    6. Neat round holes, one to one and a half inches in diameter, had been made on the shoulders arms and head, stomach and anus and tissue and muscle had been extracted. The holes had not been made by bullets.

    7. The major organs within the chest cavity had been removed, a perfect small hole having been made through which extensive digestive organs had been extracted.

    8. The scrotum, but not the penis had been removed, and all pubic hair had disappeared.

    9. The rectum had been cored out. Despite the devastating mutilations, there was no sign that the victim had been bound or had struggled in any way

When the photographs were first circulated they caused a great stir among serious UFO researchers. It will of course take more than a set of horrific photographs from Brazil to make the authorities open up about the extent to which human bodies are being discovered in a mutilated state, but for those of us who already know a great deal of what is going on, the photographs are an important confirmation. If only there were other people prepared to leak information on this subject, I suspect we would be in for a shock."

The mutilations are for gathering genetic material. The cutting out of the most sensitive parts of the body--male genitals in Brazil, for instance--human males--while their victim is immobilized but conscious--

What?

I thought your post might be entitled, "Come, let us reason together." I have reflected on what both you and Lyra wrote, and it is true that I disrupted the flow of a thoughtful discussion. And was coming from emotions. I do not take criticism well (at age 59 I am still learning how to be a grownup), but, because I respect both you and Lyra, I thought and prayed about your accurate observations. There is a chapter in a John Mack book about some abductees whom he describes as carrying the pain of the destruction of the Earth for the rest of us. I found myself described and understood at last. Being an empath with an especially strong connection to the Animals is extremely painful right now. (On the plus side, as the veils are thinning and the energies of Light are growing stronger, I have had some unusual and most excellent interactions with animals of all kinds--furred, feathered, insects-- lately.)   

This does tie in with the "mutilations" as I understand it. I do not remember the source, but one person wrote that our Earth is being prepared for beings who do not breathe the air we breathe and do not need a living planet on which to exist. This may explain the building of the huge underground bases, in part, because they want to keep some of the species who now live on Earth alive, and can create the oxygen or whatever we Earth beings need below the surface. It may also tie in with the chemtrails--creating a more breathable atmosphere for them aboveground--who knows? And the population reduction? Maybe they want our planet for themselves only.

The mutilations are for gathering genetic material. The cutting out of the most sensitive parts of the body--male genitals in Brazil, for instance--human males--while their victim is immobilized but conscious--suggests to me that the reptilians are behind it, as cruelty produces food for them: suffering and terror.  Even tho this is a small-scale operation compared to the wars going on now, I guess food is food. The cloning going on by our own scientists--hush-hush and big money--Cornell got a HUGE federal grant for genetic research a year or two ago, I think from the military, for instance--is somehow tied into this. And I find it very odd that the Senate just sneaked a bill through:

      [11/13]  "In a shocking move, the "Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act" (AETA)
has been placed on the Congressional fast track and may be voted
on tonight. The Humane Society of the United States strongly
opposes violence, and has condemned groups and individuals who
engage in threats of violence, harassment, vandalism, and other
illegal acts. But the AETA goes too far, and threatens
legitimate tactics of law-abiding groups, such as BOYCOTTS, INVESTIGATIONS AND WHISTLE-BLOWING [caps mine]. Here is a fact sheet with
more information on this dangerous legislation:
http://www.hsus.org/web-files/PDF/109_AETA_factsheet.pdf'

    [and 11/14] "Yesterday, we alerted you that the Animal Enterprise Terrorism
Act (AETA) was coming to the floor of the U.S. House of
Representatives during the "lame duck" session. We wanted to
pass on to you the unfortunate news that the House passed the
AETA by voice vote under suspension of the rules, a procedure
usually reserved for non-controversial legislation. When the
bill came up for consideration, only a handful of House members
were even back in town, and very few were on the floor of the
House when discussion ensued."

There is some reason they want to keep what is going on in the labs from public scrutiny. The Nazis, of course, were also obssessed with manipulation of genes. I do not understand what their end goal is with this, unless it is a case of science gone mad and wanting to control Life itself. NOT!

As I said elsewhere, lizards are fourth density STS beings, we are third density STS beings. That makes us the prey in the STS predator-prey dynamic. No surprise there. We eat animals because we can, not because we have some divine right to consume them. Same for the Lizards eating us. They do it because they can, not because they have the right. Therefore we would not be violating their right should we deny them ourselves as food, for that is our choice to make. And we don't have to label them as "bad" to make that choice. Rather we simply have to choose freedom over slavery.

We are 3D beings empowered with the potential self-awareness and knowledge to choose the direction of our evolution. If you want to transcend the STS mode, you must get out of the predator-prey dynamic, and stopping being prey is a necessary part of that. The difference between 3D prey and 2D prey is freewill. The average animals does not have as much self-determination and self-awareness as the average human and therefore operates under the law of the jungle, kill or be killed, eat or be eaten. Humans have the potential to choose otherwise, but it is the business of 4D STS to keep them ignorant of that choice. I don't see the problem with educating people to the reality of hyperdimensional predation and empowering them with the choice to transcend it.

But being that we're here and must kill to eat... what do we do about it? Well the Natives who were in touch with nature knew how to accept this with grace, to hunt and kill with respect and likewise accept their own death and consumption when the time came. No doubt modern culture is based on the opposite, shooting animals for fun and gorging on all you can eat steak while living in denial of the inevitability of death, then shaking our fists at the sky when a loved one dies. But not everyone is that way, and those who can afford it would do well to choose more humane and respectful forms of consumption. Sometimes it is not a choice though when the alien-controlled elite have been behind the economic fleecing of society so that poor people are barred from eating organic or humane foods that cost three-four times their cheaper counterparts.

Still, this thread is about the mechanics and not the ethics of cattle mutilation. And even if it were, the topic would really then center around the ethics of being vegetarian, which would be ideal for its own separate thread.

1.  Meat eating/exploited animals for human consumption, and
2.  The idea of Reps eating humans and humans getting karmic "payback" for what we do to cows;

when the point of the thread is about:

3. Who and what is behind cattle mutilation, how it's being done and why it's happening.

What you're doing is nagging at the people in this thread for actually staying on topic instead of spinning off into left field with off topic issues concerning animal meat farm exploitation and Reps who eat humans.   There are threads here on NR about the subject of animals if you're interested.  I started one in fact, called "The Spiritual Evolution of Animals."  It covers the gambit from the Stuart Wilde article of the same name, channeling excerpts that discuss animals and their souls, to what happens on meat farms and going vegetarian.  There probably are even a few threads that get into the idea of Reps eating humans and whether this is supposed to be karmic "pay back" or not.   But it doesn't make sense to harp on people for actually staying on topic, and judging that they don't "have a heart" because they didn't derail the thread.

Key words being, "and if this is what you were all discussing....." 

And.....what would be the point of getting emotional...on a messageboard?   What would be the point of people posting their emotional breakdowns?   IMO, and this is just how I feel, but I myself don't want to read people having emotional breakdowns....on a messageboard.   To me, it shows somebody who's not in control of themselves and is a little crazy.   And before that gets twisted around, like it was here:

.......I'm not criticizing emotions.  I just don't get people having emotional breakdowns....on a messageboard. 

Also, why would what I write have anything to do with what Noble Realms is about as a whole?   There are what, 1100+ registered users here?   So just because I, one poster, happen to question your overly emotional and off topic post therefore means that being unemotional, like a gray (!!!!) is "a requirement here" ?   That doesn't even make any sense, wynderer. 

Nobody here said that cows suffering is not important. Just because people here were smart enough to stay on topic and not derail the thread doesn't mean we can infer that they don't have a heart and that cows suffering isn't important to them.

Intelligent thinking is heartless?

Um, if you say so.

As far as the jokes go, address the people making the jokes....don't make exaggeratory statements about "post after post," (as you did in the previous post) lumping every poster here into the same category.

??  So what exactly is it that you'd like to see here?   Would you have been happier with "post after post" of people literally, crying as they're typing, yelling in capital letters about the injustice of humans eating cows, about the suffering, the trauma, and going off topic crazy ballistic about side issues such as that?   

Bottom line is, you're harping on everybody for not going off topic and for having a different posting style than what you deem acceptable. 

And......what do the reptilians eating humans have anything to do with what's being discussed in this thread?  You keep mentioning this.  This is a thread about who and what is behind cattle mutilations, how it's happening and why. 

No, sorry wynderer....we DON'T karmically deserve the same.  NOT all humans eat meat, and most don't condone the torture of animals.  So to lump them in the same category as the ones who do is ridiculous.   But you know, Grays and Reps use that line of reasoning on their abductees to get humans to feel like pieces of shit.  "You deserve what's happening to you....look at what your species does to the animals and to the planet!"  Never mind that these abductees have nothing to do with these things, and don't behave that way.   Never mind that, you know.    There's a campaign going on right now as I type this wynderer to get humans to mistakenly hate themselves and their entire species because of what a few others are doing....a few that probably actually aren't even human.

Now, THAT'S a whole side topic in itself, and I won't derail the thread with that, but I will take a moment to call out your faulty reasoning.

If it were humans being mutilated (which does happen occasionally), and if this is what you were all discussing, I think maybe at least one person might have said something about the suffering, and maybe got emotional, too! But nary a word. Hence, what I see as species-ism. Cow suffering is not important, especially if you're a meat eater. Nice unemotional (is it a requirement to be unemotional here? The greys are unemotional. I'm one of those humans with all those messy emotions) intelligent thinking and funny jokes about genetic experimentation on the very animals being mutilated seem heartless to me. New and original theories are great. A loving heart capable of compassion is better.

I was hoping that maybe at least one person would understand that as almost all humans see and treat the animals with whom we share our planet, so do the reptilians see us. They are way bigger, stronger, and smarter than us. They don't have all those messy emotions either. And  to maybe get someone to understand that as long as humans continue to have the uncaring attitudes expressed here--I can only go by the words written and not written--we karmically deserve the same, and we are definitely heading towards the instant karma times. I personally do not want to earn the karmic right to be treated by the reptilians as we treat animals.  But hey--everyone has free will.

Cattle is the word that refers to a herd of cows.  These individual cows were taken from larger herds.  So I'm not understanding the petty semantics here.

What is "rampant species-ism" ?  I just re-read through this thread and saw "post after post" of intelligent discussion that covered everything from who is behind cattle mutilations to why, and how, with some very important theories being presented that are not normally heard in mainstream conspiracy lore. 

Okay..........Your points here don't connect.   None of the points in your post connect to each other and what you're claiming to see happening in this thread is not the same thing I'm seeing.   Where's the lack of heart?   People in this thread are calmly and intelligently discussing something.    Does it mean this subject doesn't bother those who've been posting here, or that the people here don't have a heart?   No.  It's called being calm and trying to rationally discuss something.  Your post on the other hand uses exaggeratory language and is emotionally amped up.   That won't get anybody anywhere.