(Referring to Edmonton) lyra wrote:

She says it's more demon dimension bleedthrough, same as Portland, full of very creepy vibes.

I have been doing some work with some oil people who have a base in Alberta.  What they are doing up there with oil sands is very terrible for the earth.  I recently heard some discussion on Coast to Coast AM that oil is the lifeblood of the earth.  If that is the case we are desecrating the Earths surface, and sucking her dry up in Alberta.  Could be a reason for a creepy STS vibe.

Definately a reason for the creepy vibe...

I spent a couple of months last winter working up in Fort McMurray right in the heart of it and I can definately confirm that one.  My partner actually grew up there and she got the hell out as soon as was possible (like 16 or something!)  I do some environmental reclamation work  - cleaning up the mess basically.  Coming from an educational background in ecology I can say first hand that it is indeed a shame what is happening there and in many other places of the world, but it will all continue fullfold until they suck it all dry or everyone finally wakes up and starts really developing alternatives and making them commerically viable and available to the public.... but that's a whole other thread in itself!

Anyhow,  having to live up there was intense.  I had to do tonnnnes of clearing/energetic work when I arrived and had to remain diligent or else I would get sucked in to the intense negative mindset.  People there seem extremely zombified.  From my observations and interactions, I would have to say that the majority of them were unhealthy, both physically and mentally.  Just driving took a lot of energy-  everyone was extremely STO orientated so there was rarely a corteous driver to let you in a lane etc.  People seemed consumed with the money grab that is going on up there.  Too many stories of him screwing her over screwing him over etc. etc.   

On a daily basis I had to be very aware of the thoughts in my head, my attitude and use techniques that I have learned to protect my own energy field from being parasitized.  Fortunately, due to my job, I spent a lot of time away from the major industrial plants and the city deep in the bush among the woods and muskeg and animals.  It's probably the only thing that kept me sane up there. 

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Tomatochip, I can surely identify with your story. I moved to Gilbert, AZ 6 yrs ago from Long Island, NY. For a long time I considered it to be the worst blunder I ever made. However when I made the move I was not in good shape and deteriorating rapidly. My life has improved markedly since then. It was easy to blame all my failings on the new location. The grass looks greener looking back (especially if you're in the desert).  I also would like to remove myself from the ratrace, maybe when my daughter finishes high school in 4 yrs.

Interesting, WEPOPPOSEDECEPTION. I have considered that the physical characteristics of the Arizona desert to be a mirror of what happens INTERNALLY to those living here. At least, to those who have the awareness to consider it. What I mean is, Arizona is a desert. It's dry, it's wide open spaces, it has no trees to hide behind. It's in the direct light of the sun. I have found in relation to my own life, that all these characterists can be applied to my internal life since living here. Things that I would have wished to hide from were impossible to hide from.... they were illuminated and right in my face! Of course, this inability to hide and being forced face my 'demons' faciliated accelerated internal growth, and a kind of 'hardiness'. Much like the characteristics of desert plants, like cactus that must withstand the harshest extremes of the elements. There also is an 'openness' here, spiritually speaking, that I didn't find back east. An open-mindedness. I REALLY notice it when I go back and visit old friends and/or familly. After ten years, It's a huge difference in perception that I have integrated. Interesting correlation of outer topograpy mirroring inner landscape, is it not?!!?

She says it's more demon dimension bleedthrough, same as Portland, full of very creepy vibes.

I have been doing some work with some oil people who have a base in Alberta.  What they are doing up there with oil sands is very terrible for the earth.  I recently heard some discussion on Coast to Coast AM that oil is the lifeblood of the earth.  If that is the case we are desecrating the Earths surface, and sucking her dry up in Alberta.  Could be a reason for a creepy STS vibe.

I didn't mean to give you the impression that I'm the typical angry New Yorker with a really thick accent (my accent is pretty neutral, believe it or not, which comes from years of correcting my parents' English.   )

i didn't get the impression that you were that you're typical angry new yorker -- but i love the really think accents - wish i was born with one

ya - lots of people, esp. in corporate-land, in big cities all over the world, tend to get sucked into that ... i guess new york would be top on the list somewhere ... but toronto is the same, as is vancouver - although i get the feeling that in vancouver it's generally more relaxed -- maybe some of it has to do with the ocean breeze and the beautiful scenery ...

ya - no doubt ...

gotta say about vancouver and my experience of it so far -- i live in north van. - by the mountains - and i take the bus into downtown every morning -- there are plenty of 'good vibe' folks here - both in the north shore and in the heart of the city ... lots and lots of people who aren't affraid of eye contact and even exchanging smiles - imagine ! (of course there's lots of low-energy peeps as well - dah well) ... but i have a few friendly exchanges with new people almost on a daily basis - it's pretty cool.

i hear you Proto -- what i'm trying to say is: it's the very seeing of those 'little critter thoughts & emotions' that gets rid of them - that's what i call discipline - making contact 'without judgement' ... i know what you meant when you said discipline - and ya, that's true 2 .. and you brought up a point also at looking at why those things come up - the thing that's behind them  -- i do that too - seek out the truth - try and see the root behind why the thought/emotion comes up, when it comes up -- this whole process to me is non-resistance with whatever happens to be going through my psyche - but when i notice something icky and i cringe or turn away or resist or try to change it -- that's a waste of energy -- 'cause i'm not one with what's happening, there's a conflict happening inside -- wonder if that makes any sense ?

* have you ever wanted to be free of wanting to be free of your emotions ? * <- a favorite line of mine from a k-os joint ...

People in NYC think acting like that is cute and the "real" them because "I'm from New York", which I think is complete herd mentality and that mentality comes in different flavors and textures. The conditioning that is going on here is indeed dangerous and disregards others, which is selfish. BAD VIBES, really.

That's so funny because yesterday afternoon when I was driving home from work I remembered the whole "I'm from New York" mantra that you always hear New Yorkers say.  My dad was the first to point it out to me.  I wasn't aware of the fact that many New Yorkers have a tendancy to say this.... A LOT.....but damn if it's not true!     "I'm from New York, I'm from New York, I'm from New York"......even when it's not relevent to ANYTHING being discussed.   My dad's from NY, but can't tolerate the NY attitude.  He currently lives in southern Connecticut near the shoreline.....which is inundated with New Yorkers every summer.   He told me all kinds of stories about the things that would happen every year once the New Yorkers arrived in town.

Proto - i read your comment and something about it got me - the thing about conditioning ...

from my own experience, i know that conditioning can be hard to break from. This is not a personal boast or toast: but it is something i think i may have done - with anger - with jealousy - with giving up certain bad habits ... and of course - it's never done - life continues and so does observation  ...

+ that doesn't mean i don't get upset -- sometimes there's good reason to be upset -- i don't supress it if it comes -- but i don't go around throwing anger at people - or get upset easily esp. over little things ...

of course i am no perfect soul - and that word perfect is kind of off, if you ask me ...  i think it's possible to be 'whole' and also have lots of 'holes' ... i have many things about me that might be called flaws and whatnot but for the most part - i'm ok with me the way i am ...

Yup, I agree. I didn't mean to give you the impression that I'm the typical angry New Yorker with a really thick accent (my accent is pretty neutral, believe it or not, which comes from years of correcting my parents' English.   ) but I was agreeing with Lyra and how many New Yorkers/New Jerseyans just can't seem to relax and very hustle bustle "GO! GO! GO!" and how that mentality is dangerous in the long run. I think when I highlighted the conditioning part on her post, it was mainly pointed towards the general population in where I live. I've noticed I had some of that with my behavior, but to a lesser degree and I want to get rid of it. People in NYC think acting like that is cute and the "real" them because "I'm from New York", which I think is complete herd mentality and that mentality comes in different flavors and textures. The conditioning that is going on here is indeed dangerous and disregards others, which is selfish. BAD VIBES, really.

I understand what you're saying and I agree for the most part, but it's not the real me because I've lived enough to know that there comes a time where you question your thought processes and wonder "where did I get that from? Are these thoughts really mine? Am I that impressionable?"  I want personal soverignty over myself and be responsible for myself because it just feels great knowing that if you messed up, you messed up and knowing that I don't have to blame anyone but myself kicks ass! I'm weird, but that's how I feel.

Anyway, I accumulated junk over the years that I almost forgot who I really am. To give you a real life example from a few weeks ago, I went to Kmart to pick up a few cleaning products. So I went to the cash register and had this really nasty cash register lady and I paid with a debit card. I asked her for cash back and she said "No cash back!" in a really nasty attitude, but I had a feeling she was being a spiteful c*nt for whatever reason, so as I swiped my card, I pressed the cash back button and LO AND BEHOLD there were tons of $10s, $20s in the drawer. She told me "Didn't I tell you NO?" and I told her "yeah, but for some reason, it just didn't make any sense." I used to be a cash register person at a liqour store, so I know that even if you have cash in your drawer, you don't give them away until the manager puts more, but she had such a nasty, nasty attitude and called her a "b*itch". She was a typical New Yorker.  VERY TYPICAL. Did I feel guilty later on? Sort of, but not really at the same time because I don't have time for that sort of behavior, especially when I was nice and going about my day. I guess my ego reacted to her "classy" behavior. Ego work takes time. Baby steps. But, for this particular example, it's better that I said what I said than paid and left and let that incident stew in my little head and then take it out on my family and friends, who are the real people that care for me. Then again, I provided free food to "the matrix" lol.

I don't think there's anything wrong with disciplining yourself, if the long term goal will be beneficial and positive for you and others, too. If I had not stop eating doritos and drinking 2 snapples a day, God knows how I would look like and my state of health would be. But observing and allowing yourself to just be without judgement is great, as long as you catch those nasty little critter thoughts/emotions that come out of nowhere because they love to breed in your mind/body. I don't know, maybe I am harsh on myself sometimes, but I can't allow myself to let myself go and become a mess. I do live in the moment, but I can't ignore what's going on and let it be if I have the power to change something that's unpleasant in the now. Does that make sense?  I don't want to re-learn  annoying lessons ever again.

on a more-than-semi-related note, i have a story to share: maybe 4 or 5 years ago -- we were going out with some friends to a club to dance - it was a friends birthday, i think -- but we were a multi-cultural crew - there was me (brown guy), 2 asian guys, a caucasian guy, an arabic guy, his two sisters and his caucasian girl friend. When we were done at the club and heading back to the parking lot we bumped into another crew - all brown guys -- we started talking - we were split up - some of us were a little ahead - some a little back - but our two groups merged ... the people i was with - we were just talking about the night and what we'd done - where we went, etc. -- the people a little ahead  - i remember hearing one of the people from the other group make comments about white girls - and how he felt that canadian girls were all ho's - he was being really negative and it also wasn't hard to tell that he was quite intoxicated - apparently he'd been offended by a woman or young lady who happened to be white - and so now, he was totally unhappy with 'white chics' -- and my arabic friend with his white girl friend were talking to this guy - and my friends' girlfriend was trying to talk to the guy and tell him that not all white chics are bad or like that - but the guy was being rude - and said something to like "you're all the same *#*$*#"
so of course - my friends' girlfriend gets offended - and she said something back to him - calling him an ignorant *#**$ or something ... and the next thing you know - she gets punched in the face ... and that's when a big-ass fight broke out between us ... ever single person in that crowd was fighting ... everyone except me ... i didn't move -- no one came towards me -- i was just sort standing there, half in disbelief, wondering what the hell was going on - but in no way affraid of the situation - it was so strange because i felt so removed from it all, even as it was happening ... the cops were there (they're always downtown patrolling, esp. on weekends @ night in club-district) ... but they didn't do a thing - they also watched ... and crowds of people were gathering around - they whole spectacle turned into a magnet of sorts ... some people who weren't even a part of this thing jumped in (the streets were crowded 'cause lost of people were leaving as the clubs were closing) - some people who'd jumped in were trying to stop the fighting some were involved with the fighting ... eventually - i started thinking to myself - i gotta stop this ... i don't exactly remember what happend - but i just remember no one coming towards me and me not wanting to be any part of what was going on around me ... eventually our group pulled away and ran to our cars -- i remember one of my friends lost his cell phone -- i went back with another friend after things had died down a bit to try and find our friends' phone - we didn't - but some people recognized us who were standing around - these two girls i remember - they both smiled at me and one asked me how i was doing - i wasn't sure i was getting the attention but i smiled back and said fine ... but that was a situation in which maybe because of me being me at the time and the way i was - i didn't get involved in any of the fighting - and on one came towards me - or maybe it was because i was also brown and the other crew was all brown, so they left me alone -- or maybe it was just a fluke - i have no idea ... whatever the case - this thread made remember this incident ...

Proto - i read your comment and something about it got me - the thing about conditioning ...

from my own experience, i know that conditioning can be hard to break from. This is not a personal boast or toast: but it is something i think i may have done - with anger - with jealousy - with giving up certain bad habits ... and of course - it's never done - life continues and so does observation  ...

+ that doesn't mean i don't get upset -- sometimes there's good reason to be upset -- i don't supress it if it comes -- but i don't go around throwing anger at people - or get upset easily esp. over little things ...

of course i am no perfect soul - and that word perfect is kind of off, if you ask me ...  i think it's possible to be 'whole' and also have lots of 'holes' ... i have many things about me that might be called flaws and whatnot but for the most part - i'm ok with me the way i am ...

that part that i hi-lited from your comment -- that's what i've been rambling on about forever on this board -- like a broken record or something ...

but here it is again (and this might be good to experiment with)  ... when you catch yourself acting like whatever - and it hits you - you said you  sometimes feel guilty afterwards ... well,maybe that's a natural response - i've experienced something similar at times -- but when that happens to me - i don't say: that's not the real me - it is the real me - it's me - 'cause i just did it - that was real - it happened - and of course it's not limitted to just actions - but with thoughts, or i feel a certain way - whatever -- it's seeing the fact for what it is when it happens - and not unnecesarily holding on to it or supressing or resisting it - but being able to make contact -- being able to touch what's there - i believe it's that contact that "releases the fact" ...

at least - that's my perspective/experience ... i think it's definitely worth experimenting with --

think about it logically too -- when you see yourself in the present as you are - and there's no sense of "i must change - i must discipline myself" - so there's no pressure - no feeling of "i'm not good enough" - you are what you are - and that is FINE - whatever it happens to be -- maybe it's that something "divine" in us human beings - intelligence - call it whatever - it sees - we are a part of it - it/we understand(s) -- i don't know exactly how the mechanism for psychological change works - i couldn't break deconditioning down into a scientific formula -- except in the way that i was trying to describing above - because to me, observation in the sense of being able to see yourself as you are, without distortion - that's caring - there's no fear when you can do that - it makes for understanding of the self - and when one understands oneself - one understands others as well ...

so that's my rant ... apologies for heading off topics - so back to the tropics of vibes of places ...

treehugger wrote:

Im a former northerner. I dont think we can blame the bad vibe on the northerners, alone.......So darn it, dont blame the state that Fla. is in on ALL the northerners.!

No, but the New Yorkers and New Jersey-ites are a big reason why Florida has a vibe going on right now.  Like I noted - while living in South Florida, not all NY'ers and NJ'ers that I encountered were nasty and troublesome....but all my memorable run ins were with people from NY or NJ.  The NY'ers and NJ'ers also clashed with the natives of southern California in a big way from what I witnessed during my 10 years in SoCal.  Many of the New Yorkers I knew in SoCal left and went back home.  They couldn't mesh with California, and the Californians couldn't mesh with them.  That's saying something.  Being from the NE myself, I understand what the problematic differences are, and straddled both sides of the issue.  New Yorkers  - and we're talking those from the city, as well as Long Island, not upstate necessarily - come from a very loud, hustle bustle vibe where it's GO!GO!GO!GO!GO! amped up mania.   There are 20 million people amongst the 5 burroughs and L.I.....that's a hell of a lot of people to cram into a relatively small area.  People are on top of each other, everybody rushing to and fro, you have to push and shove your way around in life, yell to be heard and noticed, be on guard so you don't get mugged, all in the middle of a cacophony of noise and madness.  So as a result, people from that area carry that vibe with them wherever they go.  They have a tendancy to be tense, on guard, to talk loud, to not recognize physical boundaries, (very touchy feely, draping themselves over you, standing practically right on top of you, etc., probably as a result of spending long hours crammed like sardines into subway cars, haha....) and can be quite confrontational and aggressive.  They often times don't seem to know how to drop that and acclimate and adjust themselves to a toned down, mellower environment.  Truly, once a New Yorker, always a New Yorker.  It never goes away.  It actually strikes me as traumatic conditioning in a way.   It permanently alters the psyche in a way that's difficult to undo.

Anyway, just my 2 cents from someone whose entire family, parents included, is from NYC, who's spent time in NYC, and has known lots of people from NYC. 

Couldn't have said it better, especially about the subway. I hate taking the subway that I take the bus and even that is starting to get crowded, so walk I must. The subway is a mish mosh of people, who are heavily on guard and a nice fertile ground for the weirdos/crazies who look to hurt people either physically, mentally and psychically. The traumatic conditioning, I agree. I admit, some of it has been rubbing off of me, but I catch myself and my thoughts and think "no, this is not natural, what are you doing?" and whenever I do act like that, I feel extremely guilty afterwards like "WTF? that's not the real you! Must get a grip!" You can see the conditioning with my siblings. I love them more than words can express and they're not bad people in general, so I've been lucky, but I tell them to tone down the anger sometimes and the weird thing that they say once in a while would be "it must be the New York in me".!  Anyways, I must do research into places I would like to move. The time in New York I feel is coming to a close.

Im a former northerner. I dont think we can blame the bad vibe on the northerners, alone.......So darn it, dont blame the state that Fla. is in on ALL the northerners.!

No, but the New Yorkers and New Jersey-ites are a big reason why Florida has a vibe going on right now.  Like I noted - while living in South Florida, not all NY'ers and NJ'ers that I encountered were nasty and troublesome....but all my memorable run ins were with people from NY or NJ.  The NY'ers and NJ'ers also clashed with the natives of southern California in a big way from what I witnessed during my 10 years in SoCal.  Many of the New Yorkers I knew in SoCal left and went back home.  They couldn't mesh with California, and the Californians couldn't mesh with them.  That's saying something.  Being from the NE myself, I understand what the problematic differences are, and straddled both sides of the issue.  New Yorkers  - and we're talking those from the city, as well as Long Island, not upstate necessarily - come from a very loud, hustle bustle vibe where it's GO!GO!GO!GO!GO! amped up mania.   There are 20 million people amongst the 5 burroughs and L.I.....that's a hell of a lot of people to cram into a relatively small area.  People are on top of each other, everybody rushing to and fro, you have to push and shove your way around in life, yell to be heard and noticed, be on guard so you don't get mugged, all in the middle of a cacophony of noise and madness.  So as a result, people from that area carry that vibe with them wherever they go.  They have a tendancy to be tense, on guard, to talk loud, to not recognize physical boundaries, (very touchy feely, draping themselves over you, standing practically right on top of you, etc., probably as a result of spending long hours crammed like sardines into subway cars, haha....) and can be quite confrontational and aggressive.  They often times don't seem to know how to drop that and acclimate and adjust themselves to a toned down, mellower environment.  Truly, once a New Yorker, always a New Yorker.  It never goes away.  It actually strikes me as traumatic conditioning in a way.   It permanently alters the psyche in a way that's difficult to undo.

Anyway, just my 2 cents from someone whose entire family, parents included, is from NYC, who's spent time in NYC, and has known lots of people from NYC.