http://forum.noblerealms.org/img/avatars/23.jpgFliers, the inorganic beings, or "mud shadows" as they're also referred to....I'm pretty sure they were mentioned in several other books, not just the last one.
The inorganic beings:
Check Chapter Titles:
The Fire From Within
Thanks SiriArc....The Fire From Within so far is my favorite out of the bunch that I own, all highlighted up and stuff. 
I was pretty positive it was mentioned in that book as well, so thanks for checking.
Fliers, the inorganic beings, or "mud shadows" as they're also referred to....I'm pretty sure they were mentioned in several other books, not just the last one.
The inorganic beings:
Check Chapter Titles:
The Fire From Within
Theun denies the validity of "flyers" within the Toltec teachings, implying they are Castaneda's own invention. The flyers were mentioned only in Castaneda's last book "Active Side of Infinity", which was written after he had supposedly gone off the deep end.
Fliers, the inorganic beings, or "mud shadows" as they're also referred to....I'm pretty sure they were mentioned in several other books, not just the last one. I have five of his books at home, will have to scan through them, see what I find.
The inorganic beings as described in the Castaneda books makes sense to me, only because I've seen things that fit the description. Especially when he descibed the "mud shadows" that land with a "thump".....I have an experience with some sort of "it" being, don't even know what it was, back in 2004 that matches that description. Black brown color, landed with a thump/thud.
I wonder what Theun thinks of Castaneda's description of the "allies" as well, since those are also shadowy beings from other realms. The decription of the ally that don Juan describes in the "Art of Dreaming" book matches to a T the description of the Neg entity I tangled with back in 2000. It's the weirdest thing.....from the way it looked (black) to how it moved, sounded, felt and what it did when it latched onto me are an identical match to what Castaneda describes in the book.
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Talking about Jane, Laura, Jach, etcetera, etcetera and etcetera, is like discussing the mailman and his family:
It has nothing to do with the contents of the letter, and can’t possibly have anything to do with an Individual's Resonance to that message.
Possibly I am misunderstanding something here, but the syntax begs further elucidation.
If he is being cryptic, then it means that Castaneda had given himself over to his foreign installation and therefore he could not be considered part of the Toltec lineage since the Toltec lineage does not allow fliers within its ranks, that's why the lineage ended with Don Juan and not Castaneda.
]]>All in all, if you go by the books of Tunneshende and even the silliness of A. Wallace, you'll get no where fast. I would not waste my time with them, if you're serious about the Toltec teachings. You have to search these books with your inner senses, you'll notice there's way too much confusion and discussion about this. I remember going over this on the C's forums, way back, and it lead no where, with people having no idea what was being talked about, giving their uniformed opinions.... it was a mess.
The CC books taken as a whole, speak for themselves. Of all the authors out there I would bet CC was the one who was most attacked I've ever seen, which is why you can't trust anyone else's books about him or their opinions. His works were way too important for there NOT to be this circus atmosphere surrounding them. I don't blame him for leaving as he did (I'm not implying he died) and also those that left with him (several of his close seers in his group that he worked with also vanished). I would imagine they all decided it's best to just pull back and get on with things, but of course we'll never know for sure.
I've had some dreams of CC, which I do not wish to share, I would highly recommend anyone who wishes to really find out what's what use your dreaming to get answers, this would be far better.
PH
]]>By the way, some friends told me that the Castaneda magical movements (passes magiques) are not Toltec but Chinese!!! I am not absolutely sure, but he told me that even Castaneda himself has hinted to that. What is certain is that Castaneda invented a lot of things that never happenned to him in order to divulge some esoteric knowledge and chamanic practices. I do not trust him for that. Also, having read what Steiner taught about the mexican mysteries of Taotl, I prefer to stay away from Mexican stuff... No offense to the Mecican people. In fact the whole of America perserves powerful atlantean black magic hardening and mechanizing forces.
]]>Theun denies the validity of "flyers" within the Toltec teachings, implying they are Castaneda's own invention. The flyers were mentioned only in Castaneda's last book "Active Side of Infinity", which was written after he had supposedly gone off the deep end.
[Edited later: the prices have come down on Amazon, so search for them to obtain hardcopies.]
]]>My following comments will refer to this first article in question:
http://www.warriorskeep.com/freedom_vs_shamanism.html
His comments on Castaneda I would be in agreement with. This does not change the importance of what can be gleaned from reading those books or what Castaneda did. I have spoken before on a book written by A. Wallace and also some allusions withint Tunneshende's books that tell of the demise of Carlos Castaneda as a result of his inability to overcome certain indulgent weaknesses within his personality. Sad.
"Similarly the “foreign installations” , the so-called “fliers” , also have no place in any Toltec lineage."
I have to seriously question the meaning of this phrase because as it is written, it comes off as cryptic. Within this article Mares is taking time to point out what was said by Don Juan and what was distorted by CC, yet it was Don juan that told Carlos what he had seen when he witnessed the manifestation of the so called " Fliers." Also there was all manner of talk given as coming straight from Juan Matus in those books that spoke of the reality of inorganic beings.
The way the phrase is written almost seems to deny the reality of said beings.
This is problematic because it is part and parcel with the notion of the Predator, something that definitely IS within Toltec teachings at large, at least in my experience.
Possibly I am misunderstanding something here, but the syntax begs further elucidation.
As it is, what is written is not adequate.
Not in the least.
Soon I may post some other viewpoints about issues I see from this source and correlate it to native american sources, and other Toltec sources....Don Miguel Ruiz in particular.
There also needs to be awareness and discussion about all these learned elders releasing information during certain times that has been witheld. This has become a common theme and it needs to be questioned. Steiner also spoke of knowedge which could not be revealed.
What underlies those types of statements needs to be made clear.
I am interested only in serious discussion about this subject by those who have thought about these matters in detail.
E-mail is best because I don't necessarily get back to original threads.
The ideas are put there to set people thinking and point out limitations that should not be, and also to see where misunderstanding may be happening by gaining different views.
More later
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